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  • beano.79
    beano.79 Posts: 785
    F Me In The Brain said:
    beano.79 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Signed up for a half marathon as part of my training cycle for the full.  First time doing that
    .. should be fun!
    Nice! How will you approach it? Purely a training run or will you have a good go at it?
    I'm not sure yet.  I feel good during my pace runs the past few weeks....but they are only 6 miles.  I hope I'll go easy the first half and try to step it up if I feel good.  I've never run a race and not pushed as hard as I could. 

    Advice?
    When is your marathon? If you have plenty of time to recover sensibly and then continue training then there's no reason you shouldn't push yourself. But if the marathon is close then you wouldn't want to jeopardise your A race. Either way the half marathon will be fun!
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,806
    In November,  so plenty of time....
    Did some gnarly hills in Vermont yesterday,  was very hungover and did 9 miles.  Felt great after.
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  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,069
    F Me In The Brain said:
    In November,  so plenty of time....
    Did some gnarly hills in Vermont yesterday,  was very hungover and did 9 miles.  Felt great after.
    Nice job. I don’t run hills very often. Not much around here. When I go to visit my parents they have a lot of hills. Exhausting. 
  • beano.79
    beano.79 Posts: 785
    F Me In The Brain said:
    In November,  so plenty of time....
    Did some gnarly hills in Vermont yesterday,  was very hungover and did 9 miles.  Felt great after.
    Plenty of time 👍 just be sure to run easy for a week or 2 to reduce the risk of injury.


    13 miles today, negative split run, 8:45 AVG pace, feeling really good. It's looking likely my uncle won't be fit for the half marathon in October so I'm training with one eye on having a bash at a PB
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,806
    GlowGirl said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    In November,  so plenty of time....
    Did some gnarly hills in Vermont yesterday,  was very hungover and did 9 miles.  Felt great after.
    Nice job. I don’t run hills very often. Not much around here. When I go to visit my parents they have a lot of hills. Exhausting. 
    But, fun!

    beano.79 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    In November,  so plenty of time....
    Did some gnarly hills in Vermont yesterday,  was very hungover and did 9 miles.  Felt great after.
    Plenty of time 👍 just be sure to run easy for a week or 2 to reduce the risk of injury.


    13 miles today, negative split run, 8:45 AVG pace, feeling really good. It's looking likely my uncle won't be fit for the half marathon in October so I'm training with one eye on having a bash at a PB
    Awesome.  Give er a go!
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  • PJ-Cubs
    PJ-Cubs Posts: 3,377
    Is anyone in the group training for the Chicago Marathon in October?  

    Getting to the last of my long runs but they have been up and down.  14 miles went really well last weekend but the 16 mile run this morning was brutal for the last 4 miles.  Any tips on making these easier?  I am taking in fuel (liquid and chews) but still crashing late in the runs.  

    Also, does anyone have a favorite marathon shoe?  I am not loving my current long run shoes (New Bal 1080v12) and want to try and grab something new to try for the next few long runs and the race.
  • beano.79
    beano.79 Posts: 785
    PJ-Cubs said:
    Is anyone in the group training for the Chicago Marathon in October?  

    Getting to the last of my long runs but they have been up and down.  14 miles went really well last weekend but the 16 mile run this morning was brutal for the last 4 miles.  Any tips on making these easier?  I am taking in fuel (liquid and chews) but still crashing late in the runs.  

    Also, does anyone have a favorite marathon shoe?  I am not loving my current long run shoes (New Bal 1080v12) and want to try and grab something new to try for the next few long runs and the race.
    What kind of pace are you running compared to your expected race day pace? As you're currently training you're body will be fatigued and your long run pace should be much slower than your 'race pace'👍

    The new balance 1080 used to be great but I really didn't enjoy the V12 nearly as much as previous versions. If you're looking for more cushioning then the new balance fresh foam more are great, I also have a couple of pairs of saucony triumph20, they have the cushioning but it's super responsive and has a nice 'pop' to it. The version 21 is out so I managed to pick them up for just £80 here in the UK RRP £160
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,806
    Good questions....I also stopped with the chews....my body didn't respond well to them.  I go with gels instead and it made me feel better.
    All trial and error as to what works for you

    I've used Fresh Foams as well but got a Hoka shoe recently.  Not sure what I'll use for the Philly (was thinking the Hokas) but just ordered the FFMore v4s.  (Hokas are lighter but less cushioned)

    Chicago is a flat race, right?  Have you done it before?

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  • PJ-Cubs
    PJ-Cubs Posts: 3,377
    beano.79 said:
    PJ-Cubs said:
    Is anyone in the group training for the Chicago Marathon in October?  

    Getting to the last of my long runs but they have been up and down.  14 miles went really well last weekend but the 16 mile run this morning was brutal for the last 4 miles.  Any tips on making these easier?  I am taking in fuel (liquid and chews) but still crashing late in the runs.  

    Also, does anyone have a favorite marathon shoe?  I am not loving my current long run shoes (New Bal 1080v12) and want to try and grab something new to try for the next few long runs and the race.
    What kind of pace are you running compared to your expected race day pace? As you're currently training you're body will be fatigued and your long run pace should be much slower than your 'race pace'👍

    The new balance 1080 used to be great but I really didn't enjoy the V12 nearly as much as previous versions. If you're looking for more cushioning then the new balance fresh foam more are great, I also have a couple of pairs of saucony triumph20, they have the cushioning but it's super responsive and has a nice 'pop' to it. The version 21 is out so I managed to pick them up for just £80 here in the UK RRP £160
    I am trying to break 4 hours for the race.  My long runs have probably been a bit aggressive and part of what I need to figure out is getting dialed into race pace.  I struggle to go slower than race pace.  
    When I did 14 miles last week, I mixed in some 1 minute walk breaks (mile 6, 8, and 10) because it was so hot outside.  The walk breaks seemed to work well.  I was trying to avoid the walking during my 16 miler yesterday but after the quick early pace, my body forced me into stopping frequently over the last 3-4 miles. 

    I agree with you about the 1080v12s.  I loved my older version of the shoe (v10) but the new ones that I have are less fun.  I have heard great things about the Triumph but the fit did not work for me.  I am looking at possibly getting the Saucony Endorphin Speed 3s but would only have a month to test them and get used to them. 
  • PJ-Cubs
    PJ-Cubs Posts: 3,377
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Good questions....I also stopped with the chews....my body didn't respond well to them.  I go with gels instead and it made me feel better.
    All trial and error as to what works for you

    I've used Fresh Foams as well but got a Hoka shoe recently.  Not sure what I'll use for the Philly (was thinking the Hokas) but just ordered the FFMore v4s.  (Hokas are lighter but less cushioned)

    Chicago is a flat race, right?  Have you done it before?

    Chicago is very flat except for a ~200M incline/hill at about mile 25 (so mean).  I have run it once before but it was a LONG time ago (25yrs).  My hope was to beat my previous time (4:07) but the body does not bunce back like it used to.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,806
    Sounds like you know you may want to run slower on the practice long runs....I'm trying for the same goal time (3:59:59!) and I do find it difficult at times to run around 9 min pace when I've been focused on shorter runs for the last few years and want to go much faster.  
    What kind of a watch do you use?  You may be able to set the parameters for your time and then it can let you know when you should slow down or speed up.  
    This weekend I was hungover so going nice and easy was not a challenge :) 

    Having a hill at the end does seem cruel.  I know the Philly has some big inclines in a few spots so I've been trying to work in some hillls...but if you live in a flat area that is tough.

    I've heard Chicago is fun, would like to run that one day.  


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  • beano.79
    beano.79 Posts: 785
    I agree it's super hard to hold back the pace for long runs and it took me years to finally realise it, but for a 4hr marathon your long runs want to be 10min pace tops, may e a couple of quicker miles towards the end of you feel good. I have a 3:28 marathon and pace my long runs around 9:30 for the majority of the run, slower if I'm feeling a little fatigued and get some marathon pace miles and faster into my other runs.

    I was really disappointed after a few runs in the 1080 v12 they just felt really flat and lifeless. I agree with you on the V10 I think that was the pinnacle. I've heard really good things about the endorphin speed and if it's a she's that works for you then maybe a month is enough time to bed them in.

    I'd love to run a big marathon like Chicago. I live pretty close to London but the ballot system hasn't ever worked out for me.
  • beano.79
    beano.79 Posts: 785
    Just had a man in the mirror moment... I don't mean to be a dick and tell anyone how to run 😂

    I just get excited about it all 👍
  • PJ-Cubs
    PJ-Cubs Posts: 3,377
    I really appreciate the advice and tips.  Get pacing down is going to take some work.  Slowing down feels so different from a running form perspective.  The question that I have for the group is how do I translate slow 20 mile long runs into a faster 26 mile marathon?  I know that the tempo runs and track workouts should help but that feels like a big jump from 10 min long runs to a 9 min race.

    You should both try to do Chicago.  It is a really big race 45,000 people but there is so much energy in the city for the event.  Crowds are 2 people deep across most of the course.  Except for the late incline/hill, it is a great, flat course.
  • beano.79
    beano.79 Posts: 785
    That's the biggest mind f**k, it's so hard to run 20 miles at 10min pace, how can I run 26 miles at 9 min pace.

    Remember your training is conditioning your body to be more capable of your effort in race day. Your longs runs aren't 'marathon practice' they're just part of the conditioning. And your long runs don't stand alone, you have long run piled upon more long runs and tempo runs and intervals and track sessions etc etc all of this is on tired legs. After a good taper you'll have all this training in your legs with the bonus of being fresh, and this should allow you to commit to the extra effort on race day.

    I always tell myself this is training/conditioning, not practice

    Dont know if any of that makes sense 😂
  • beano.79
    beano.79 Posts: 785
    It is a good idea though, to do let's say a 16 miler nice and easy and slow but make the last couple of miles at race pace, that way you don't over exert but you train your body to hit marathons pace on tired legs at the end of a long run
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,806
    Yeah all of the sharing here is great.

    My experience is to look at my watch, frequently,  until I can settle in at my pace.  (Which is why I asked about your watch as you can have that do it for you.)
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  • PJ-Cubs
    PJ-Cubs Posts: 3,377
    I really appreciate all of the guidance and tips.  After 2 years of doing fall half marathons, prepping for a full marathon has been quite the learning experience.  I am all about learning from people who have done these things before.  The approach that I took for a marathon 20+ years ago is not going to work today. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,456
    My aunts 60th birthday party is on a Saturday at 15.00. And there is a trail run race (9km) at 12.00 on the same day.

    ... Haha... to stressful to try to do both... or manageable.....

    Start the race at 12... so finished at 13:15 min maybe... I'd be home at 13:45 then, shower... get to the train station... train ride 30 min... hmmm....
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,806
    PJ-Cubs said:
    I really appreciate all of the guidance and tips.  After 2 years of doing fall half marathons, prepping for a full marathon has been quite the learning experience.  I am all about learning from people who have done these things before.  The approach that I took for a marathon 20+ years ago is not going to work today. 
    Every other Wednesday I run a pace session.  7 miles this Wednesday and I will come as close to steady pace the whole was as I can.  These sessions will hopefully see me get used to that pace and how it feels to find a good spot there.   Think 8 or 9 will be the max mileage for these pace runs.  
    Tuesday and Thursday are shorter runs (4 miles this week) and I can run however I feel like running.  Those are the fun days.  :)  
    They will get longer as we go.
    Saturday long runs and Sundays cross trains and short runs with my son that are nice and easy.

    I'm sure you will do great and it is fun to have another person sharing.

    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    My aunts 60th birthday party is on a Saturday at 15.00. And there is a trail run race (9km) at 12.00 on the same day.

    ... Haha... to stressful to try to do both... or manageable.....

    Start the race at 12... so finished at 13:15 min maybe... I'd be home at 13:45 then, shower... get to the train station... train ride 30 min... hmmm....
    You can make it work.  Even if you are a bit late she will be happy for why, I would imagine. 
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