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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,250
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Can anyone tell me at what point post grad you have to be making 125k to not qualify for the forgiveness? Surely we don't expect college grads to make that their first year out of college.   
    probably not first year....I know accountant's are getting paid about $80-$90K first year. Nurses are making $125K after a few years
    So what is it? I have looked for that super important detail from the start of this and can't find it.  Leads me to believe people are immediately eligible and that seems crazy. 
    pretty sure immediately....that's the way it was under the first attempt.
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  • mrussel1
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    Gern Blansten said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Can anyone tell me at what point post grad you have to be making 125k to not qualify for the forgiveness? Surely we don't expect college grads to make that their first year out of college.   
    probably not first year....I know accountant's are getting paid about $80-$90K first year. Nurses are making $125K after a few years
    So what is it? I have looked for that super important detail from the start of this and can't find it.  Leads me to believe people are immediately eligible and that seems crazy. 
    pretty sure immediately....that's the way it was under the first attempt.
    See that's crazy.  You walk out of college and have some chunk of your loan waived because you don't make 125. I can't think of any job that pays that to a college grad.  Plus even if you did,  it wouldn't be on your taxes for at least a year,  if not longer depending on when you start.  I'm a D as you all know,  but this is silliness. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,471
    mickeyrat said:

    There is no way this soundbite captures what she was going for.  I'm curious as to what her point really was?

    If she didn't have one then this is GOLD!
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    There is no way this soundbite captures what she was going for.  I'm curious as to what her point really was?

    If she didn't have one then this is GOLD!
    She made a broader point,  but you seriously have to be stupid to frame it that in such a glowing way.  Like I said,  it seems like her speech writer punked her. 
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,107
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I'm not getting any relief from this but I am happy for those that are. Student loans are a bitch, for those of us that came from backgrounds with no family help and went to school at a time where working three jobs couldn't get you through community college.  I've said it before and I will say it again, even if they forgave everyone the hour after all of my payments were made I would still be out celebrating that someone cares about poor and low income people. I don't love Joe, but student loan forgiveness and fixing the cost of higher education was the main reason I voted for him and didn't abstain.  Hopefully by the time my daughter is in college we will catch up to the rest of the civilized world and provide free and low cost education to all that wish to further themselves.  The upper middle class resentment against helping people with this stuff is frankly sickening.
    Forgiving debt does not fix the cost of higher education. 

    What has Joe done to fix the cost of higher education? 

    Do you really think that the only people benefiting from the debt forgiveness are the poor and low income people?!?!  No fucking way! The poor and low income never made it to college.

    Where does the $39 Billion come from? We are borrowing money to pay money that was borrowed. Now all of America will be paying the interest on these loans.
    Yes they did and they used loans. I worked 3 jobs and couldn't afford trade school without student loans.  I guess I wasn't poor or low income...  As for if some people that aren't poor are benefitting, great!  These loans never go away.  Consistently paying and watching the balance stay the same or expanding over ten years is ridiculous.  I haven't missed a payment and only because of the interest freeze was I able to finally get to owing less than my original amount borrowed after about 10 years.  There is no reason student loans from the federal gov should be about making any more money than needed to service the loan and pay administrative costs.  If this system was truly about helping Americans get an education we would see low interest rates with manageable repayment plans.  Instead we have a system where schools take advantage of the system and raise costs because they know people live in a country where they have to get some kind of education to get ahead and most will take out loans to do so.

    As for fixing the cost of higher education I believe Joe has proposed and been shot down on free trade school and community college.  Unfortunately people think that that is not a worthwhile pursuit and they would rather see people saddled into a perpetual debt cycle...Or cry about how hard they work and how there isn't anything in it for them if other people get free education when they didn't.  

    I'm glad my life of hard work hasn't made me as bitter about other peoples situations as some other posters here.  


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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    There is no way this soundbite captures what she was going for.  I'm curious as to what her point really was?

    If she didn't have one then this is GOLD!
    Also,  in what world does she think tying someone to FDR would be an insult? Only the most far right Ayn Rand fans hate FDR. So stupid

  • josevolution
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    There is no way this soundbite captures what she was going for.  I'm curious as to what her point really was?

    If she didn't have one then this is GOLD!
    So knowing her do you think she had a point that would make any sense? I can’t even give her the benefit of doubt knowing all the crap she has spewed..
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  • The Juggler
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I'm not getting any relief from this but I am happy for those that are. Student loans are a bitch, for those of us that came from backgrounds with no family help and went to school at a time where working three jobs couldn't get you through community college.  I've said it before and I will say it again, even if they forgave everyone the hour after all of my payments were made I would still be out celebrating that someone cares about poor and low income people. I don't love Joe, but student loan forgiveness and fixing the cost of higher education was the main reason I voted for him and didn't abstain.  Hopefully by the time my daughter is in college we will catch up to the rest of the civilized world and provide free and low cost education to all that wish to further themselves.  The upper middle class resentment against helping people with this stuff is frankly sickening.
    Forgiving debt does not fix the cost of higher education. 

    What has Joe done to fix the cost of higher education? 

    Do you really think that the only people benefiting from the debt forgiveness are the poor and low income people?!?!  No fucking way! The poor and low income never made it to college.

    Where does the $39 Billion come from? We are borrowing money to pay money that was borrowed. Now all of America will be paying the interest on these loans.
    LOL...were you worried about all of the PPP money (and employee retention credits) when that was doled out?

    tRump gave me $50K that I didn't need and it was tax free.
    Trump also handed out unnecessary tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations during his term. One might be so inclined to call that a hand out and it ended up adding over 2 trillion to the deficit and did not help the economy one bit. They kept saying GDP would sky rocket as a result. Nope. Didn't happen. It was completely unnecessary at that time. 

    I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing ol'JB didn't benefit from that much and also didn't complain about it much at all either. 


    If memory serves, GDP was needed to grow at 6% quarter over quarter for TEN FUCKING YEARS to pay for the tax cuts. Something that had never ever happened in US economic history. But you know, student loan debt forgiveness will break ‘Murica. 
    Largest sustained stretch of growth in our country's history when that was passed. Totally and completely unnecessary. 
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  • The Juggler
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    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    There is no way this soundbite captures what she was going for.  I'm curious as to what her point really was?

    If she didn't have one then this is GOLD!
    Also,  in what world does she think tying someone to FDR would be an insult? Only the most far right Ayn Rand fans hate FDR. So stupid

    She is a gigantic buffoon and while it reflects a sad state of affairs for our country as a whole, I LOVE how much power she is wielding in modern day maga gop. Hope to see this ad on tv and not just on twitter. 


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  • tempo_n_groove
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    josevolution said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    There is no way this soundbite captures what she was going for.  I'm curious as to what her point really was?

    If she didn't have one then this is GOLD!
    So knowing her do you think she had a point that would make any sense? I can’t even give her the benefit of doubt knowing all the crap she has spewed..
    I laughed at this Jose.

    I'm trying to figure out what her point was getting at?

    I mean if she is not a fan I sure hope she has never used unemployment and plans on giving back any SS money sh receives when she retires.
  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    Gern Blansten said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I'm not getting any relief from this but I am happy for those that are. Student loans are a bitch, for those of us that came from backgrounds with no family help and went to school at a time where working three jobs couldn't get you through community college.  I've said it before and I will say it again, even if they forgave everyone the hour after all of my payments were made I would still be out celebrating that someone cares about poor and low income people. I don't love Joe, but student loan forgiveness and fixing the cost of higher education was the main reason I voted for him and didn't abstain.  Hopefully by the time my daughter is in college we will catch up to the rest of the civilized world and provide free and low cost education to all that wish to further themselves.  The upper middle class resentment against helping people with this stuff is frankly sickening.
    Forgiving debt does not fix the cost of higher education. 

    What has Joe done to fix the cost of higher education? 

    Do you really think that the only people benefiting from the debt forgiveness are the poor and low income people?!?!  No fucking way! The poor and low income never made it to college.

    Where does the $39 Billion come from? We are borrowing money to pay money that was borrowed. Now all of America will be paying the interest on these loans.
    LOL...were you worried about all of the PPP money (and employee retention credits) when that was doled out?

    tRump gave me $50K that I didn't need and it was tax free.
    Yes. I was worried about it and that was one of the biggest mistakes ever made. 
  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I'm not getting any relief from this but I am happy for those that are. Student loans are a bitch, for those of us that came from backgrounds with no family help and went to school at a time where working three jobs couldn't get you through community college.  I've said it before and I will say it again, even if they forgave everyone the hour after all of my payments were made I would still be out celebrating that someone cares about poor and low income people. I don't love Joe, but student loan forgiveness and fixing the cost of higher education was the main reason I voted for him and didn't abstain.  Hopefully by the time my daughter is in college we will catch up to the rest of the civilized world and provide free and low cost education to all that wish to further themselves.  The upper middle class resentment against helping people with this stuff is frankly sickening.
    Forgiving debt does not fix the cost of higher education. 

    What has Joe done to fix the cost of higher education? 

    Do you really think that the only people benefiting from the debt forgiveness are the poor and low income people?!?!  No fucking way! The poor and low income never made it to college.

    Where does the $39 Billion come from? We are borrowing money to pay money that was borrowed. Now all of America will be paying the interest on these loans.
    LOL...were you worried about all of the PPP money (and employee retention credits) when that was doled out?

    tRump gave me $50K that I didn't need and it was tax free.
    Trump also handed out unnecessary tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations during his term. One might be so inclined to call that a hand out and it ended up adding over 2 trillion to the deficit and did not help the economy one bit. They kept saying GDP would sky rocket as a result. Nope. Didn't happen. It was completely unnecessary at that time. 

    I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing ol'JB didn't benefit from that too much and, now I'm just going out on a limb here, I bet he also didn't complain about it too much either. 


    I'm talking about Biden and student loan forgiveness and everyone wants to discuss Trump. The only argument you all have is, "but Trump". 
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,196
    JB16057 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I'm not getting any relief from this but I am happy for those that are. Student loans are a bitch, for those of us that came from backgrounds with no family help and went to school at a time where working three jobs couldn't get you through community college.  I've said it before and I will say it again, even if they forgave everyone the hour after all of my payments were made I would still be out celebrating that someone cares about poor and low income people. I don't love Joe, but student loan forgiveness and fixing the cost of higher education was the main reason I voted for him and didn't abstain.  Hopefully by the time my daughter is in college we will catch up to the rest of the civilized world and provide free and low cost education to all that wish to further themselves.  The upper middle class resentment against helping people with this stuff is frankly sickening.
    Forgiving debt does not fix the cost of higher education. 

    What has Joe done to fix the cost of higher education? 

    Do you really think that the only people benefiting from the debt forgiveness are the poor and low income people?!?!  No fucking way! The poor and low income never made it to college.

    Where does the $39 Billion come from? We are borrowing money to pay money that was borrowed. Now all of America will be paying the interest on these loans.
    LOL...were you worried about all of the PPP money (and employee retention credits) when that was doled out?

    tRump gave me $50K that I didn't need and it was tax free.
    Yes. I was worried about it and that was one of the biggest mistakes ever made. 
    but that money went to people who did not need it, like sitting senators and members of congress, and all of it was forgiven.

    i am 1000% more angry about that than i am some people getting a part of their student loans forgiven.

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    There is no way this soundbite captures what she was going for.  I'm curious as to what her point really was?

    If she didn't have one then this is GOLD!
    Also,  in what world does she think tying someone to FDR would be an insult? Only the most far right Ayn Rand fans hate FDR. So stupid

    She is a gigantic buffoon and while it reflects a sad state of affairs for our country as a whole, I LOVE how much power she is wielding in modern day maga gop. Hope to see this ad on tv and not just on twitter. 


    Now she's showing porn shots in a hearing. 
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,939
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I'm not getting any relief from this but I am happy for those that are. Student loans are a bitch, for those of us that came from backgrounds with no family help and went to school at a time where working three jobs couldn't get you through community college.  I've said it before and I will say it again, even if they forgave everyone the hour after all of my payments were made I would still be out celebrating that someone cares about poor and low income people. I don't love Joe, but student loan forgiveness and fixing the cost of higher education was the main reason I voted for him and didn't abstain.  Hopefully by the time my daughter is in college we will catch up to the rest of the civilized world and provide free and low cost education to all that wish to further themselves.  The upper middle class resentment against helping people with this stuff is frankly sickening.
    Forgiving debt does not fix the cost of higher education. 

    What has Joe done to fix the cost of higher education? 

    Do you really think that the only people benefiting from the debt forgiveness are the poor and low income people?!?!  No fucking way! The poor and low income never made it to college.

    Where does the $39 Billion come from? We are borrowing money to pay money that was borrowed. Now all of America will be paying the interest on these loans.
    LOL...were you worried about all of the PPP money (and employee retention credits) when that was doled out?

    tRump gave me $50K that I didn't need and it was tax free.
    Trump also handed out unnecessary tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations during his term. One might be so inclined to call that a hand out and it ended up adding over 2 trillion to the deficit and did not help the economy one bit. They kept saying GDP would sky rocket as a result. Nope. Didn't happen. It was completely unnecessary at that time. 

    I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing ol'JB didn't benefit from that too much and, now I'm just going out on a limb here, I bet he also didn't complain about it too much either. 


    I'm talking about Biden and student loan forgiveness and everyone wants to discuss Trump. The only argument you all have is, "but Trump". 

    Because

    He 

    Has

    A 

    Thirty

    Point 

    Lead.



    After he personally caused the deaths of five police officers and two of his voters. Conservatives need to have their heads examined if they are unwilling to end trumps tyranny once and for all in these primaries.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,381
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    There is no way this soundbite captures what she was going for.  I'm curious as to what her point really was?

    If she didn't have one then this is GOLD!
    Also,  in what world does she think tying someone to FDR would be an insult? Only the most far right Ayn Rand fans hate FDR. So stupid

    She is a gigantic buffoon and while it reflects a sad state of affairs for our country as a whole, I LOVE how much power she is wielding in modern day maga gop. Hope to see this ad on tv and not just on twitter. 


    Now she's showing porn shots in a hearing. 
    To be honest, at least she’s on topic. I have to agree with the troll that Democrats (for the hour I watched) were deflecting mostly, and drawing comparisons to Trump. I think the public expects that at this point, and it feels stale and ineffective. 
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,939
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    There is no way this soundbite captures what she was going for.  I'm curious as to what her point really was?

    If she didn't have one then this is GOLD!
    Also,  in what world does she think tying someone to FDR would be an insult? Only the most far right Ayn Rand fans hate FDR. So stupid

    She is a gigantic buffoon and while it reflects a sad state of affairs for our country as a whole, I LOVE how much power she is wielding in modern day maga gop. Hope to see this ad on tv and not just on twitter. 


    Now she's showing porn shots in a hearing. 
    To be honest, at least she’s on topic. I have to agree with the troll that Democrats (for the hour I watched) were deflecting mostly, and drawing comparisons to Trump. I think the public expects that at this point, and it feels stale and ineffective. 

     Investigating the presidents sons sex acts are “on topic?” That’s alarming.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited July 2023
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I'm not getting any relief from this but I am happy for those that are. Student loans are a bitch, for those of us that came from backgrounds with no family help and went to school at a time where working three jobs couldn't get you through community college.  I've said it before and I will say it again, even if they forgave everyone the hour after all of my payments were made I would still be out celebrating that someone cares about poor and low income people. I don't love Joe, but student loan forgiveness and fixing the cost of higher education was the main reason I voted for him and didn't abstain.  Hopefully by the time my daughter is in college we will catch up to the rest of the civilized world and provide free and low cost education to all that wish to further themselves.  The upper middle class resentment against helping people with this stuff is frankly sickening.
    Forgiving debt does not fix the cost of higher education. 

    What has Joe done to fix the cost of higher education? 

    Do you really think that the only people benefiting from the debt forgiveness are the poor and low income people?!?!  No fucking way! The poor and low income never made it to college.

    Where does the $39 Billion come from? We are borrowing money to pay money that was borrowed. Now all of America will be paying the interest on these loans.
    LOL...were you worried about all of the PPP money (and employee retention credits) when that was doled out?

    tRump gave me $50K that I didn't need and it was tax free.
    Trump also handed out unnecessary tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations during his term. One might be so inclined to call that a hand out and it ended up adding over 2 trillion to the deficit and did not help the economy one bit. They kept saying GDP would sky rocket as a result. Nope. Didn't happen. It was completely unnecessary at that time. 

    I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing ol'JB didn't benefit from that too much and, now I'm just going out on a limb here, I bet he also didn't complain about it too much either. 


    I'm talking about Biden and student loan forgiveness and everyone wants to discuss Trump. The only argument you all have is, "but Trump". 
    Tough pill to swallow, isn't it?


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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    The Juggler said:
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I'm not getting any relief from this but I am happy for those that are. Student loans are a bitch, for those of us that came from backgrounds with no family help and went to school at a time where working three jobs couldn't get you through community college.  I've said it before and I will say it again, even if they forgave everyone the hour after all of my payments were made I would still be out celebrating that someone cares about poor and low income people. I don't love Joe, but student loan forgiveness and fixing the cost of higher education was the main reason I voted for him and didn't abstain.  Hopefully by the time my daughter is in college we will catch up to the rest of the civilized world and provide free and low cost education to all that wish to further themselves.  The upper middle class resentment against helping people with this stuff is frankly sickening.
    Forgiving debt does not fix the cost of higher education. 

    What has Joe done to fix the cost of higher education? 

    Do you really think that the only people benefiting from the debt forgiveness are the poor and low income people?!?!  No fucking way! The poor and low income never made it to college.

    Where does the $39 Billion come from? We are borrowing money to pay money that was borrowed. Now all of America will be paying the interest on these loans.
    LOL...were you worried about all of the PPP money (and employee retention credits) when that was doled out?

    tRump gave me $50K that I didn't need and it was tax free.
    Trump also handed out unnecessary tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations during his term. One might be so inclined to call that a hand out and it ended up adding over 2 trillion to the deficit and did not help the economy one bit. They kept saying GDP would sky rocket as a result. Nope. Didn't happen. It was completely unnecessary at that time. 

    I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing ol'JB didn't benefit from that too much and, now I'm just going out on a limb here, I bet he also didn't complain about it too much either. 


    I'm talking about Biden and student loan forgiveness and everyone wants to discuss Trump. The only argument you all have is, "but Trump". 
    Tough pill to swallow, isn't it?


    It's pathetic. 
  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    Lerxst1992 said:
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I'm not getting any relief from this but I am happy for those that are. Student loans are a bitch, for those of us that came from backgrounds with no family help and went to school at a time where working three jobs couldn't get you through community college.  I've said it before and I will say it again, even if they forgave everyone the hour after all of my payments were made I would still be out celebrating that someone cares about poor and low income people. I don't love Joe, but student loan forgiveness and fixing the cost of higher education was the main reason I voted for him and didn't abstain.  Hopefully by the time my daughter is in college we will catch up to the rest of the civilized world and provide free and low cost education to all that wish to further themselves.  The upper middle class resentment against helping people with this stuff is frankly sickening.
    Forgiving debt does not fix the cost of higher education. 

    What has Joe done to fix the cost of higher education? 

    Do you really think that the only people benefiting from the debt forgiveness are the poor and low income people?!?!  No fucking way! The poor and low income never made it to college.

    Where does the $39 Billion come from? We are borrowing money to pay money that was borrowed. Now all of America will be paying the interest on these loans.
    LOL...were you worried about all of the PPP money (and employee retention credits) when that was doled out?

    tRump gave me $50K that I didn't need and it was tax free.
    Trump also handed out unnecessary tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations during his term. One might be so inclined to call that a hand out and it ended up adding over 2 trillion to the deficit and did not help the economy one bit. They kept saying GDP would sky rocket as a result. Nope. Didn't happen. It was completely unnecessary at that time. 

    I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing ol'JB didn't benefit from that too much and, now I'm just going out on a limb here, I bet he also didn't complain about it too much either. 


    I'm talking about Biden and student loan forgiveness and everyone wants to discuss Trump. The only argument you all have is, "but Trump". 

    Because

    He 

    Has

    A 

    Thirty

    Point 

    Lead.



    After he personally caused the deaths of five police officers and two of his voters. Conservatives need to have their heads examined if they are unwilling to end trumps tyranny once and for all in these primaries.
    That's fine but it still has nothing to do with Biden or student loan forgiveness. 

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