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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    curmudgeoness said:
    So there’s trouble in paradise. @wartranslated on Twitter is translating Prigozhin’s video and adding other detail. 

    https://twitter.com/wartranslated

    ETA: this is crazy stuff. Prigozhin claims Shoigu fled, MOD is out to get Prigozhin, just go read for yourselves. Crazy time shitshow.

    It's now even crazier.  FBS has issued a warrant for incitement of an armed rebellion.  Which, by the way, seems accurate.  Either way, I don't know how Shoigu expects to get to him without massive casualties.  Things are going sideways in that back assward country. 

    https://wapo.st/3qWLnUm
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,078
    wtf is going on here?


    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,078

    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    wtf is going on here?


    Honestly? Too soon to tell. Assume all Russian outlets are lying. Assume Prigozhin is insane. Heightened security in Moscow suggests a serious matter, but beyond that hard to tell what the truth is.

    @wartranslated on Twitter is covering things, also try Meduza, or Garry Kasparov (yes, the chess player) on Twitter.
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    And as always, Michael McFaul and Anne Applebaum will provide excellent analysis.
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,078
    if wagner group is really doing this and abandoned their positions, maybe this will give ukraine an opening for the counteroffensive.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,078

    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,078
    reports now that putin is absent. he has been briefed, but has not said anything publicly.

    i would have thought he would have been trying to get out ahead of this publicly, but clearly i am wrong.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    They (Wagner) say that they shot down one of the aircraft.

    Seriously, I don’t think we’re going to know much of anything before tomorrow. Our government has indicated that it’s real, whatever it is, and they’re following it. Beyond that, neither Wagner nor the Kremlin should be trusted, and “there are no good actors.” Neither faction is pro-Ukraine.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,408

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  • mickeyrat
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    I read that Prigozhin already is halfway to Moscow 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Going to be a critical 72 hours coming up in the history of eastern Europe... 
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    Hot off the press, Tom Nichols, Russia/nuclear expert, on what’s happening.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/06/russia-crisis-coup-prigozhin/674516/
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,408

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,408

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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    @mickeyrat how reliable a source do you think Sushko is? I think anything is possible, at the same time he’s insinuating in one tweet that Putin has fled Moscow, and that’s tough for me to accept right now.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,408

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,408
    curmudgeoness said:
    @mickeyrat how reliable a source do you think Sushko is? I think anything is possible, at the same time he’s insinuating in one tweet that Putin has fled Moscow, and that’s tough for me to accept right now.

    thats a wait and see I guess, but unless putin is incapacitated  wouldnt he have appeared on tv or something? I mean who would Prigozhin take HIS orders from.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,408
    I mean unless this is all a stunt anyway to cover for something else going on
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