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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,965
    Lerxst1992 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
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    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Anyone else get cancelled this weekend?

    So I went to a comedy show out here in Long Island.  I was surprised that they used the word "retarted" and "gay" in a few of their sets.  It doesn't bother me in the slightest, you just don't here that anymore or I don't go to enough comedy shows.


    context is everything
    I tend to agree but when Billie Eilish was given a ration of shit for her use of the word but thankfully that got shot down.

    People are overly sensitive now and almost taught to be offended about every little thing.
    being offended over "retard" is not being overly sensitive it's exactly the right amount of sensitive. 

    imagine if someone in the audience has a child that is mentally challenged. my director calls things he disagrees with "retarded" all the time. one of my coworkers has a severely disabled (mentally and physically) child (and he obviously knows this). she piped up a couple weeks ago "STOP SAYING THAT WORD". He was fucking clueless. He looked around like he had no idea what just happened. 

    I understand comedy shows are different from the workplace. But there's a few things you just don't joke about. 
    I get it but they aren't talking about that parents kid. I doubt your boss was talking about their kid too.  Sometimes a word has a completely different meaning.

    Comedy should never, ever be restricted.

    If someone is using a word as a direct insult I can see it, these weren't like that.


    using "that's retarded" in a professional setting, to label a process as "stupid", is not ok. it doesn't matter if it was addressing her kid directly or not. is it ok for you to use the N word as long as it's not being directed at someone?

    I agree comedy should never be restricted. I'm not suggesting that it should. But any comedian who uses that language should be prepared for the subsequent backlash. 

    there's a reason you don't hear any "big name" comedians use it. they know better, and they know it's a cheap laugh and punching down. 
    Professional setting I agree.  Read the room.

    If you listen to comedian interviews they are at a point where everything can be used against them.  Some comedians are better at getting away with certain things.  Theon and Danielle Tosh are two perfect examples of towing the line.

    I have a deaf person in the family. In their community, the word is a proud word, like people using Italian or Irish. In American culture,  it's an insult used often. Noone wants to be called a smelly Italian.  "What are you,  deaf?"

    People using words that are not theirs bear the risk of insulting someone with their laziness or casual disregard. Give blacks credit for taking full control of the N word. We need more of that


    How did smelly get in the picture?
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,469
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Anyone else get cancelled this weekend?

    So I went to a comedy show out here in Long Island.  I was surprised that they used the word "retarted" and "gay" in a few of their sets.  It doesn't bother me in the slightest, you just don't here that anymore or I don't go to enough comedy shows.


    context is everything
    I tend to agree but when Billie Eilish was given a ration of shit for her use of the word but thankfully that got shot down.

    People are overly sensitive now and almost taught to be offended about every little thing.
    being offended over "retard" is not being overly sensitive it's exactly the right amount of sensitive. 

    imagine if someone in the audience has a child that is mentally challenged. my director calls things he disagrees with "retarded" all the time. one of my coworkers has a severely disabled (mentally and physically) child (and he obviously knows this). she piped up a couple weeks ago "STOP SAYING THAT WORD". He was fucking clueless. He looked around like he had no idea what just happened. 

    I understand comedy shows are different from the workplace. But there's a few things you just don't joke about. 
    I get it but they aren't talking about that parents kid. I doubt your boss was talking about their kid too.  Sometimes a word has a completely different meaning.

    Comedy should never, ever be restricted.

    If someone is using a word as a direct insult I can see it, these weren't like that.


    using "that's retarded" in a professional setting, to label a process as "stupid", is not ok. it doesn't matter if it was addressing her kid directly or not. is it ok for you to use the N word as long as it's not being directed at someone?

    I agree comedy should never be restricted. I'm not suggesting that it should. But any comedian who uses that language should be prepared for the subsequent backlash. 

    there's a reason you don't hear any "big name" comedians use it. they know better, and they know it's a cheap laugh and punching down. 
    Professional setting I agree.  Read the room.

    If you listen to comedian interviews they are at a point where everything can be used against them.  Some comedians are better at getting away with certain things.  Theon and Danielle Tosh are two perfect examples of towing the line.

    I have a deaf person in the family. In their community, the word is a proud word, like people using Italian or Irish. In American culture,  it's an insult used often. Noone wants to be called a smelly Italian.  "What are you,  deaf?"

    People using words that are not theirs bear the risk of insulting someone with their laziness or casual disregard. Give blacks credit for taking full control of the N word. We need more of that


    If everyone takes words back we would be left with nothing and bored...

    Nah they’ll always be a fueled up plane ready to jet you off to the next PJ show.
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,062
    Gern Blansten said:

    That does it. I will not go to Chick-Fil-A on Sundays.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,931
    Lerxst1992 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Anyone else get cancelled this weekend?

    So I went to a comedy show out here in Long Island.  I was surprised that they used the word "retarted" and "gay" in a few of their sets.  It doesn't bother me in the slightest, you just don't here that anymore or I don't go to enough comedy shows.


    context is everything
    I tend to agree but when Billie Eilish was given a ration of shit for her use of the word but thankfully that got shot down.

    People are overly sensitive now and almost taught to be offended about every little thing.
    being offended over "retard" is not being overly sensitive it's exactly the right amount of sensitive. 

    imagine if someone in the audience has a child that is mentally challenged. my director calls things he disagrees with "retarded" all the time. one of my coworkers has a severely disabled (mentally and physically) child (and he obviously knows this). she piped up a couple weeks ago "STOP SAYING THAT WORD". He was fucking clueless. He looked around like he had no idea what just happened. 

    I understand comedy shows are different from the workplace. But there's a few things you just don't joke about. 
    I get it but they aren't talking about that parents kid. I doubt your boss was talking about their kid too.  Sometimes a word has a completely different meaning.

    Comedy should never, ever be restricted.

    If someone is using a word as a direct insult I can see it, these weren't like that.


    using "that's retarded" in a professional setting, to label a process as "stupid", is not ok. it doesn't matter if it was addressing her kid directly or not. is it ok for you to use the N word as long as it's not being directed at someone?

    I agree comedy should never be restricted. I'm not suggesting that it should. But any comedian who uses that language should be prepared for the subsequent backlash. 

    there's a reason you don't hear any "big name" comedians use it. they know better, and they know it's a cheap laugh and punching down. 
    Professional setting I agree.  Read the room.

    If you listen to comedian interviews they are at a point where everything can be used against them.  Some comedians are better at getting away with certain things.  Theon and Danielle Tosh are two perfect examples of towing the line.

    I have a deaf person in the family. In their community, the word is a proud word, like people using Italian or Irish. In American culture,  it's an insult used often. Noone wants to be called a smelly Italian.  "What are you,  deaf?"

    People using words that are not theirs bear the risk of insulting someone with their laziness or casual disregard. Give blacks credit for taking full control of the N word. We need more of that


    If everyone takes words back we would be left with nothing and bored...

    Nah they’ll always be a fueled up plane ready to jet you off to the next PJ show.
    I'll quote the late great Frank Zappa.  "They're just words." Plus I'm done with flying to see PJ.  No fly zone for me.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    Poncier said:
    Gern Blansten said:

    That does it. I will not go to Chick-Fil-A on Sundays.
    That's funny.
  • mickeyrat
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  • Gern Blansten
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    mickeyrat said:

    That has to be extremely difficult for teachers. I would love to see a massive strike but I know that would be hard on finances for a lot of people. That's exactly what we need in response though.
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  • mace1229
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I don't recall Trump ever being anti LGBT?
    he tried to ban trans people from serving in the military. 
    I don’t remember what his rationale was, if any, but I do think there needs to be some regulations, not a full ban though. Especially in circumstances with close living quarters like the military. Too often just bringing it up gets you called a bigot while ignoring situations like that lawsuit going on in Wyoming to prevent a trans female from moving into the sorority house after multiple complaints she is clearly aroused and watches other girls undress and makes them uncomfortable.
  • gimmesometruth27
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    mickeyrat said:

    that comment section is horrible. about what i expected from the paid blue checks....
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  • Go Beavers
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    that comment section is horrible. about what i expected from the paid blue checks....
    The social media replies just seem way worse and much higher numbers this year. The replies to Pearl Jam’s instagram post were right out of right wing twitter garbage heap. Same with other bands. 
  • F Me In The Brain
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    mace1229 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I don't recall Trump ever being anti LGBT?
    he tried to ban trans people from serving in the military. 
    I don’t remember what his rationale was, if any, but I do think there needs to be some regulations, not a full ban though. Especially in circumstances with close living quarters like the military. Too often just bringing it up gets you called a bigot while ignoring situations like that lawsuit going on in Wyoming to prevent a trans female from moving into the sorority house after multiple complaints she is clearly aroused and watches other girls undress and makes them uncomfortable.
    I read an article in the LA Times and the lawsuit was not to stop the person from moving in.  It is not about living quarters or proximity.  

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-03-30/lawsuit-contests-transgender-woman-in-university-of-wyoming-sorority


    Also, fuck Wyoming.  
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  • Merkin Baller
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    mace1229 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I don't recall Trump ever being anti LGBT?
    he tried to ban trans people from serving in the military. 
    I don’t remember what his rationale was, if any, but I do think there needs to be some regulations, not a full ban though. Especially in circumstances with close living quarters like the military. Too often just bringing it up gets you called a bigot while ignoring situations like that lawsuit going on in Wyoming to prevent a trans female from moving into the sorority house after multiple complaints she is clearly aroused and watches other girls undress and makes them uncomfortable.
    Did he ever offer rationale for it? 

    IIRC he claimed it was based on the advice of the military, but the Pentagon said they had no clue what he was talking about. 
  • tempo_n_groove
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    mickeyrat said:

    Jeff Gordon is called the Rainbow Warrior for his color scheme on his old ride. Every homophoab that didn't like him called him gay, fag whatever.  That's when I knew I found my driver.  That was 25 years ago.

    NASCAR has made some leaps in the past years so lets hope they keep progressing forward.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    that comment section is horrible. about what i expected from the paid blue checks....
    I forgot that when I want to see the worst of humanity and the gene pool just read Twitter comments.
  • gimmesometruth27
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    that comment section is horrible. about what i expected from the paid blue checks....
    I forgot that when I want to see the worst of humanity and the gene pool just read Twitter comments.
    the worst ones have the amplified voice because they pay for twitter blue. its a shitshow over there. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Jeff Gordon is called the Rainbow Warrior for his color scheme on his old ride. Every homophoab that didn't like him called him gay, fag whatever.  That's when I knew I found my driver.  That was 25 years ago.

    NASCAR has made some leaps in the past years so lets hope they keep progressing forward.
    i kinda liked gordon because he was the foil to dale. i hated the way dale would bump other drivers and wreck them. gordon had a way of beating dale without having to do that kind of stuff. my gripe with gordon was the "aww shucks" personality he had. seemed too fake. 
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    Fort Bragg drops Confederate namesake for Fort Liberty, part of US Army base rebranding
    By Hannah Schoenbaum
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    FORT LIBERTY, N.C. (AP) — Fort Bragg shed its Confederate namesake Friday to become Fort Liberty in a ceremony some veterans said was a small but important step in making the U.S. Army more welcoming to current and prospective Black service members.

    The change was part of a broad Department of Defense initiative, motivated by the 2020 George Floyd protests, to rename military installations that had been named after confederate soldiers.

    The Black Lives Matter demonstrations that erupted nationwide after Floyd’s killing by a white police officer, coupled with ongoing efforts to remove Confederate monuments, turned the spotlight on the Army installations. A naming commission created by Congress visited the bases and met with members of the surrounding communities for input.

    While other bases are being renamed for Black soldiers, U.S. presidents and trailblazing women, the North Carolina military installation is the only one not renamed after a person. Retired U.S. Army Brig. Gen. Ty Seidule said at a commission meeting last year that the new name was chosen because “liberty remains the greatest American value.”

    “Fayetteville in 1775 signed one of the first accords declaring our willingness to fight for liberty and freedom from Great Britain,” said Lt. Gen. Christopher Donahue, the commanding general of the XVIII Airborne Corps and Fort Liberty, referring to the city adjacent to the base. “Liberty has always been ingrained in this area.”

    The cost to rename Fort Bragg — one of the largest military installations in the world by population — will total about $6.37 million, according to a commission report.

    “The name changes, the mission does not change,” base spokesperson Cheryle Rivas said Friday morning before the ceremony.

    Fort Polk in Louisiana will be the next installation to change its name June 13 to Fort Johnson, in honor of Sgt. William Henry Johnson.

    The North Carolina base was originally named in 1918 for Gen. Braxton Bragg, a Confederate general from Warrenton, North Carolina, who was known for owning slaves and losing key Civil War battles that contributed to the Confederacy’s downfall.

    Several military bases were named after Confederate soldiers during World War I and World War II as part of a “demonstration of reconciliation” with white southerners amid a broader effort to rally the nation to fight as one, said Nina Silber, a historian at Boston University.

    “It was kind of a gesture of, ‘Yes, we acknowledge your patriotism,’ which is kind of absurd to acknowledge the patriotism of people who rebelled against a country,” she said.

    The original naming process involved members of local communities, although Black residents were left out of the conversations. Bases were named after soldiers born or raised nearby, no matter how effectively they performed their duties. Bragg is widely regarded among historians as a poor leader who did not have the respect of his troops, Silber said.

    For Isiah James, senior policy officer at the Black Veterans Project, the base renamings are a “long overdue” change he hopes will lead to more substantial improvements for Black service members.

    “America should not have vestiges of slavery and secessionism and celebrate them,” he said. “We should not laud them and hold them up and venerate them to where every time a Black soldier goes onto the base, they get the message that this base Bragg is named after someone who wanted to keep you as human property.”

    The secretary of defense is required by law to implement the naming commission’s proposed changes by Jan. 1, 2024.

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    Hannah Schoenbaum is a corps member for the Associated Press/Report for America Statehouse News Initiative. Report for America is a nonprofit national service program that places journalists in local newsrooms to report on undercovered issues.

     

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  • tempo_n_groove
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Jeff Gordon is called the Rainbow Warrior for his color scheme on his old ride. Every homophoab that didn't like him called him gay, fag whatever.  That's when I knew I found my driver.  That was 25 years ago.

    NASCAR has made some leaps in the past years so lets hope they keep progressing forward.
    i kinda liked gordon because he was the foil to dale. i hated the way dale would bump other drivers and wreck them. gordon had a way of beating dale without having to do that kind of stuff. my gripe with gordon was the "aww shucks" personality he had. seemed too fake. 
    Gordon was an everyday guy that was that good.  He wanted to be Earnhardt.  Look at his early pics, the stache, the shades.  He would trade paint w him too and Dale respected that.

    Now back to thread integrity.

    Let's see how many people "leave" NASCAR, lol.  Good riddance is what I say.

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