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Merkin Baller · January 2023

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Wobbie said:

most of the talking heads pretty much agree the bengals got hosed.

At least they saw they same shit we did.

Because of the late hit? It was definitely out of bounds.
I don't think anyone's disputing that call... it was about the only one the officials got right all night... BUT a flag should also have been in the air before mahomes left the pocket for offensive holding... & where was the flag for the hit on Burrows out of bounds... and wtf was up with the ticky tack DPI call against Cincy... and WTF was up with the do-over on 3rd down etc etc etc?

That was one of those most poorly officiated games I've ever seen.

I don’t know. I didn’t have a horse in it so nothing really stood out to me as game changing or egregious. I’m not sure why the back or side judge blew that third down play dead, but he definitely did it.

It wasn't just 2 or 3 bad calls or missed penalties though... I just mentioned 4 issues, and those weren't all of them either...

Didn't they lose time / not put enough back on the clock w/ the 3rd down do-over too?

They weren't calling it both ways. If you're going to call everything, call everything. If you're going to let them play, let them play. Don't call one team tighter than the other. Again, I don't think the "fix was in for KC", I chock it up to incompetence, but to have officiating that terrible in an NFCCG is pure shit.

EDIT: Oops - AFCCG

Me not smart.

Merkin Baller · January 2023

& them missing the offensive holding before Mahomes left the pocket for the late hit WAS game changing.

Those penalties should have offset, no?

Gern Blansten · January 2023

Merkin Baller said:

& them missing the offensive holding before Mahomes left the pocket for the late hit WAS game changing.

Those penalties should have offset, no?

at least....or since the holding happened first that might have negated the whole play

Merkin Baller · January 2023

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

& them missing the offensive holding before Mahomes left the pocket for the late hit WAS game changing.

Those penalties should have offset, no?

at least....or since the holding happened first that might have negated the whole play

That's what I'm thinking... they should have had to replay that down from where they were, instead they got 15 extra yards after the run setting up the game winning field goal.

Cincy fans have a right to be pissed.

tempo_n_groove · January 2023

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Wobbie said:

most of the talking heads pretty much agree the bengals got hosed.

At least they saw they same shit we did.

Because of the late hit? It was definitely out of bounds.

Previously stated the late hit was the right call, the other stupid shit.

Johnny Abruzzo · January 2023

It seemed like there were a good number of calls against the Bengals but that push out of bounds was a stupid mental error and they probably go to OT if he doesn't do that.

There was a big disparity against the 49ers too - they were clearly spiraling after failing to protect their QB's and those guys gotta call what they see. They said the guy was pushed into the punter on the roughing the punter call - kinda borderline on that one. It was 31-7 - and they are still blaming the refs - come on.

Merkin Baller · January 2023

Johnny Abruzzo said:

It seemed like there were a good number of calls against the Bengals but that push out of bounds was a stupid mental error and they probably go to OT if he doesn't do that.

There was a big disparity against the 49ers too - they were clearly spiraling after failing to protect their QB's and those guys gotta call what they see. They said the guy was pushed into the punter on the roughing the punter call - kinda borderline on that one. It was 31-7 - and they are still blaming the refs - come on.

With the exception of the roughing the kicker call, the PHI / SF game from what I saw was called pretty fairly. I don't think there's any real comparison between the two games...like you said, SF melted down and it showed.

While on the subject: I hate when people point to the disparity of calls against as evidence of malfeasance. (Not saying that's what you're doing here). That seems to be a new thing in recent years... I guess I just don't know where the notion came from that refs need to call the same amount of penalties against each team to be fair. If one team is sloppier / less disciplined than the other, it's going to show.

Calling it both ways is IMO the most we can ask for... which they sure as shit didn't do in the AFCCG.

Johnny Abruzzo · January 2023

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

It seemed like there were a good number of calls against the Bengals but that push out of bounds was a stupid mental error and they probably go to OT if he doesn't do that.

There was a big disparity against the 49ers too - they were clearly spiraling after failing to protect their QB's and those guys gotta call what they see. They said the guy was pushed into the punter on the roughing the punter call - kinda borderline on that one. It was 31-7 - and they are still blaming the refs - come on.
With the exception of the roughing the kicker call, the PHI / SF game from what I saw was called pretty fairly. I don't think there's any real comparison between the two games...like you said, SF melted down and it showed.

While on the subject: I hate when people point to the disparity of calls against as evidence of malfeasance. (Not saying that's what you're doing here). That seems to be a new thing in recent years... I guess I just don't know where the notion came from that refs need to call the same amount of penalties against each team to be fair. If one team is sloppier / less disciplined than the other, it's going to show.

Calling it both ways is IMO the most we can ask for... which they sure as shit didn't do in the AFCCG.

I mean, we can go back and talk about SB LII - the Patriots CB's (esp Stephan Gilmore) were holding the Eagles receivers like they were ballroom dancing (including a big old tug of Alshon Jeffery's arm when he "failed" to make a one-handed catch and it was intercepted) but nary a penalty on their secondary the entire game. Meanwhile a couple of well timed illegal contacts conveniently extended drives for Mr. Brady. Yeah I'm still complaining about the only Super Bowl we have won.

Merkin Baller · January 2023

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

It seemed like there were a good number of calls against the Bengals but that push out of bounds was a stupid mental error and they probably go to OT if he doesn't do that.

There was a big disparity against the 49ers too - they were clearly spiraling after failing to protect their QB's and those guys gotta call what they see. They said the guy was pushed into the punter on the roughing the punter call - kinda borderline on that one. It was 31-7 - and they are still blaming the refs - come on.
With the exception of the roughing the kicker call, the PHI / SF game from what I saw was called pretty fairly. I don't think there's any real comparison between the two games...like you said, SF melted down and it showed.

While on the subject: I hate when people point to the disparity of calls against as evidence of malfeasance. (Not saying that's what you're doing here). That seems to be a new thing in recent years... I guess I just don't know where the notion came from that refs need to call the same amount of penalties against each team to be fair. If one team is sloppier / less disciplined than the other, it's going to show.

Calling it both ways is IMO the most we can ask for... which they sure as shit didn't do in the AFCCG.

I mean, we can go back and talk about SB LII - the Patriots CB's (esp Stephan Gilmore) were holding the Eagles receivers like they were ballroom dancing (including a big old tug of Alshon Jeffery's arm when he "failed" to make a one-handed catch and it was intercepted) but nary a penalty on their secondary the entire game. Meanwhile a couple of well timed illegal contacts conveniently extended drives for Mr. Brady. Yeah I'm still complaining about the only Super Bowl we have won.

There were shit calls both ways in that game, including the TD they gave Philly where Clement clearly bobbled the ball, but what can you do? that was 4 years ago. Also your team won, it's ok to let it go.

None of that changes how poorly the AFFCCG was officiated this year.

The Juggler · January 2023

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

It seemed like there were a good number of calls against the Bengals but that push out of bounds was a stupid mental error and they probably go to OT if he doesn't do that.

There was a big disparity against the 49ers too - they were clearly spiraling after failing to protect their QB's and those guys gotta call what they see. They said the guy was pushed into the punter on the roughing the punter call - kinda borderline on that one. It was 31-7 - and they are still blaming the refs - come on.
With the exception of the roughing the kicker call, the PHI / SF game from what I saw was called pretty fairly. I don't think there's any real comparison between the two games...like you said, SF melted down and it showed.

While on the subject: I hate when people point to the disparity of calls against as evidence of malfeasance. (Not saying that's what you're doing here). That seems to be a new thing in recent years... I guess I just don't know where the notion came from that refs need to call the same amount of penalties against each team to be fair. If one team is sloppier / less disciplined than the other, it's going to show.

Calling it both ways is IMO the most we can ask for... which they sure as shit didn't do in the AFCCG.

I mean, we can go back and talk about SB LII - the Patriots CB's (esp Stephan Gilmore) were holding the Eagles receivers like they were ballroom dancing (including a big old tug of Alshon Jeffery's arm when he "failed" to make a one-handed catch and it was intercepted) but nary a penalty on their secondary the entire game. Meanwhile a couple of well timed illegal contacts conveniently extended drives for Mr. Brady. Yeah I'm still complaining about the only Super Bowl we have won.
There were shit calls both ways in that game, including the TD they gave Philly where Clement clearly bobbled the ball, but what can you do? that was 4 years ago. Also your team won, it's ok to let it go.

None of that changes how poorly the AFFCCG was officiated this year.

Dude that was a catch. And one of the greatest throws in Super Bowl history, I might add.

Johnny Abruzzo · January 2023

Ball was in his hands the whole time - TD Corey Clement. Call was correct.

Merkin Baller · January 2023

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

It seemed like there were a good number of calls against the Bengals but that push out of bounds was a stupid mental error and they probably go to OT if he doesn't do that.

There was a big disparity against the 49ers too - they were clearly spiraling after failing to protect their QB's and those guys gotta call what they see. They said the guy was pushed into the punter on the roughing the punter call - kinda borderline on that one. It was 31-7 - and they are still blaming the refs - come on.
With the exception of the roughing the kicker call, the PHI / SF game from what I saw was called pretty fairly. I don't think there's any real comparison between the two games...like you said, SF melted down and it showed.

While on the subject: I hate when people point to the disparity of calls against as evidence of malfeasance. (Not saying that's what you're doing here). That seems to be a new thing in recent years... I guess I just don't know where the notion came from that refs need to call the same amount of penalties against each team to be fair. If one team is sloppier / less disciplined than the other, it's going to show.

Calling it both ways is IMO the most we can ask for... which they sure as shit didn't do in the AFCCG.

I mean, we can go back and talk about SB LII - the Patriots CB's (esp Stephan Gilmore) were holding the Eagles receivers like they were ballroom dancing (including a big old tug of Alshon Jeffery's arm when he "failed" to make a one-handed catch and it was intercepted) but nary a penalty on their secondary the entire game. Meanwhile a couple of well timed illegal contacts conveniently extended drives for Mr. Brady. Yeah I'm still complaining about the only Super Bowl we have won.
There were shit calls both ways in that game, including the TD they gave Philly where Clement clearly bobbled the ball, but what can you do? that was 4 years ago. Also your team won, it's ok to let it go.

None of that changes how poorly the AFFCCG was officiated this year.

Dude that was a catch. And one of the greatest throws in Super Bowl history, I might add.

Doesn't look like a catch to me, but if you say so.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2018/02/04/super-bowl-eagles-touchdown-bobbled-patriots-replay-controversy/

Image: https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/59/2018/02/gettyimages-914329930.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1

F Me In The Brain · January 2023

Ha. Arguing over it these years later. Love it.

Merkin Baller · January 2023

F Me In The Brain said:

Ha. Arguing over it these years later. Love it

That call was some bullshit, as were some others in that game, but I'm not going to sit here and say it cost NE the game.

The better team won that day.

The Juggler · January 2023

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

It seemed like there were a good number of calls against the Bengals but that push out of bounds was a stupid mental error and they probably go to OT if he doesn't do that.

There was a big disparity against the 49ers too - they were clearly spiraling after failing to protect their QB's and those guys gotta call what they see. They said the guy was pushed into the punter on the roughing the punter call - kinda borderline on that one. It was 31-7 - and they are still blaming the refs - come on.
With the exception of the roughing the kicker call, the PHI / SF game from what I saw was called pretty fairly. I don't think there's any real comparison between the two games...like you said, SF melted down and it showed.

While on the subject: I hate when people point to the disparity of calls against as evidence of malfeasance. (Not saying that's what you're doing here). That seems to be a new thing in recent years... I guess I just don't know where the notion came from that refs need to call the same amount of penalties against each team to be fair. If one team is sloppier / less disciplined than the other, it's going to show.

Calling it both ways is IMO the most we can ask for... which they sure as shit didn't do in the AFCCG.

I mean, we can go back and talk about SB LII - the Patriots CB's (esp Stephan Gilmore) were holding the Eagles receivers like they were ballroom dancing (including a big old tug of Alshon Jeffery's arm when he "failed" to make a one-handed catch and it was intercepted) but nary a penalty on their secondary the entire game. Meanwhile a couple of well timed illegal contacts conveniently extended drives for Mr. Brady. Yeah I'm still complaining about the only Super Bowl we have won.
There were shit calls both ways in that game, including the TD they gave Philly where Clement clearly bobbled the ball, but what can you do? that was 4 years ago. Also your team won, it's ok to let it go.

None of that changes how poorly the AFFCCG was officiated this year.

Dude that was a catch. And one of the greatest throws in Super Bowl history, I might add.

Doesn't look like a catch to me, but if you say so.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2018/02/04/super-bowl-eagles-touchdown-bobbled-patriots-replay-controversy/

That left foot there would've been his third step... TOUCHDOWN!

Image: https://media.tenor.com/eMGr5ZQ7IBYAAAAC/nick-foles-eagles.gif

Merkin Baller · January 2023

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

It seemed like there were a good number of calls against the Bengals but that push out of bounds was a stupid mental error and they probably go to OT if he doesn't do that.

There was a big disparity against the 49ers too - they were clearly spiraling after failing to protect their QB's and those guys gotta call what they see. They said the guy was pushed into the punter on the roughing the punter call - kinda borderline on that one. It was 31-7 - and they are still blaming the refs - come on.
With the exception of the roughing the kicker call, the PHI / SF game from what I saw was called pretty fairly. I don't think there's any real comparison between the two games...like you said, SF melted down and it showed.

While on the subject: I hate when people point to the disparity of calls against as evidence of malfeasance. (Not saying that's what you're doing here). That seems to be a new thing in recent years... I guess I just don't know where the notion came from that refs need to call the same amount of penalties against each team to be fair. If one team is sloppier / less disciplined than the other, it's going to show.

Calling it both ways is IMO the most we can ask for... which they sure as shit didn't do in the AFCCG.

I mean, we can go back and talk about SB LII - the Patriots CB's (esp Stephan Gilmore) were holding the Eagles receivers like they were ballroom dancing (including a big old tug of Alshon Jeffery's arm when he "failed" to make a one-handed catch and it was intercepted) but nary a penalty on their secondary the entire game. Meanwhile a couple of well timed illegal contacts conveniently extended drives for Mr. Brady. Yeah I'm still complaining about the only Super Bowl we have won.
There were shit calls both ways in that game, including the TD they gave Philly where Clement clearly bobbled the ball, but what can you do? that was 4 years ago. Also your team won, it's ok to let it go.

None of that changes how poorly the AFFCCG was officiated this year.

Dude that was a catch. And one of the greatest throws in Super Bowl history, I might add.

Doesn't look like a catch to me, but if you say so.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2018/02/04/super-bowl-eagles-touchdown-bobbled-patriots-replay-controversy/

That left foot there would've been his third step... TOUCHDOWN!

He hasn't completed the catch in that picture, but ok.

Philly deserved the win & got it. Doesn't mean it wasn't a shit call. It's ok.

The Juggler · January 2023

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

It seemed like there were a good number of calls against the Bengals but that push out of bounds was a stupid mental error and they probably go to OT if he doesn't do that.

There was a big disparity against the 49ers too - they were clearly spiraling after failing to protect their QB's and those guys gotta call what they see. They said the guy was pushed into the punter on the roughing the punter call - kinda borderline on that one. It was 31-7 - and they are still blaming the refs - come on.
With the exception of the roughing the kicker call, the PHI / SF game from what I saw was called pretty fairly. I don't think there's any real comparison between the two games...like you said, SF melted down and it showed.

While on the subject: I hate when people point to the disparity of calls against as evidence of malfeasance. (Not saying that's what you're doing here). That seems to be a new thing in recent years... I guess I just don't know where the notion came from that refs need to call the same amount of penalties against each team to be fair. If one team is sloppier / less disciplined than the other, it's going to show.

Calling it both ways is IMO the most we can ask for... which they sure as shit didn't do in the AFCCG.

I mean, we can go back and talk about SB LII - the Patriots CB's (esp Stephan Gilmore) were holding the Eagles receivers like they were ballroom dancing (including a big old tug of Alshon Jeffery's arm when he "failed" to make a one-handed catch and it was intercepted) but nary a penalty on their secondary the entire game. Meanwhile a couple of well timed illegal contacts conveniently extended drives for Mr. Brady. Yeah I'm still complaining about the only Super Bowl we have won.
There were shit calls both ways in that game, including the TD they gave Philly where Clement clearly bobbled the ball, but what can you do? that was 4 years ago. Also your team won, it's ok to let it go.

None of that changes how poorly the AFFCCG was officiated this year.

Dude that was a catch. And one of the greatest throws in Super Bowl history, I might add.

Doesn't look like a catch to me, but if you say so.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2018/02/04/super-bowl-eagles-touchdown-bobbled-patriots-replay-controversy/

That left foot there would've been his third step... TOUCHDOWN!

He hasn't completed the catch in that picture, but ok.

Philly deserved the win & got it. Doesn't mean it wasn't a shit call. It's ok.

You are allowed (and were allowed under the previous rule that was in effect) to have slight movement after having two feet in bounds, while still maintaining control of the football. In this case, Corey was basically moving the ball from his right to left hand. He had control.

Call on the field stands: TOUCHDOWN!

The Juggler · January 2023

Folks, I will gladly take any and every opportunity to post a Nick Foles gif.

You think I'm kidding? TRY ME.

Merkin Baller · January 2023

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

It seemed like there were a good number of calls against the Bengals but that push out of bounds was a stupid mental error and they probably go to OT if he doesn't do that.

There was a big disparity against the 49ers too - they were clearly spiraling after failing to protect their QB's and those guys gotta call what they see. They said the guy was pushed into the punter on the roughing the punter call - kinda borderline on that one. It was 31-7 - and they are still blaming the refs - come on.
With the exception of the roughing the kicker call, the PHI / SF game from what I saw was called pretty fairly. I don't think there's any real comparison between the two games...like you said, SF melted down and it showed.

While on the subject: I hate when people point to the disparity of calls against as evidence of malfeasance. (Not saying that's what you're doing here). That seems to be a new thing in recent years... I guess I just don't know where the notion came from that refs need to call the same amount of penalties against each team to be fair. If one team is sloppier / less disciplined than the other, it's going to show.

Calling it both ways is IMO the most we can ask for... which they sure as shit didn't do in the AFCCG.

I mean, we can go back and talk about SB LII - the Patriots CB's (esp Stephan Gilmore) were holding the Eagles receivers like they were ballroom dancing (including a big old tug of Alshon Jeffery's arm when he "failed" to make a one-handed catch and it was intercepted) but nary a penalty on their secondary the entire game. Meanwhile a couple of well timed illegal contacts conveniently extended drives for Mr. Brady. Yeah I'm still complaining about the only Super Bowl we have won.
There were shit calls both ways in that game, including the TD they gave Philly where Clement clearly bobbled the ball, but what can you do? that was 4 years ago. Also your team won, it's ok to let it go.

None of that changes how poorly the AFFCCG was officiated this year.

Dude that was a catch. And one of the greatest throws in Super Bowl history, I might add.

Doesn't look like a catch to me, but if you say so.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2018/02/04/super-bowl-eagles-touchdown-bobbled-patriots-replay-controversy/

That left foot there would've been his third step... TOUCHDOWN!

He hasn't completed the catch in that picture, but ok.

Philly deserved the win & got it. Doesn't mean it wasn't a shit call. It's ok.

You are allowed (and were allowed under the previous rule that was in effect) to have slight movement after having two feet in bounds, while still maintaining control of the football. In this case, Corey was basically moving the ball from his right to left hand. He had control.

Call on the field stands: TOUCHDOWN!

There was more than a little word salad in trying to justify that call in the aftermath, but it's all good.

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/corey-clement-super-bowl-touchdown-shouldnt-have-counted-troy-vincent/

The Juggler · January 2023

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

It seemed like there were a good number of calls against the Bengals but that push out of bounds was a stupid mental error and they probably go to OT if he doesn't do that.

There was a big disparity against the 49ers too - they were clearly spiraling after failing to protect their QB's and those guys gotta call what they see. They said the guy was pushed into the punter on the roughing the punter call - kinda borderline on that one. It was 31-7 - and they are still blaming the refs - come on.
With the exception of the roughing the kicker call, the PHI / SF game from what I saw was called pretty fairly. I don't think there's any real comparison between the two games...like you said, SF melted down and it showed.

While on the subject: I hate when people point to the disparity of calls against as evidence of malfeasance. (Not saying that's what you're doing here). That seems to be a new thing in recent years... I guess I just don't know where the notion came from that refs need to call the same amount of penalties against each team to be fair. If one team is sloppier / less disciplined than the other, it's going to show.

Calling it both ways is IMO the most we can ask for... which they sure as shit didn't do in the AFCCG.

I mean, we can go back and talk about SB LII - the Patriots CB's (esp Stephan Gilmore) were holding the Eagles receivers like they were ballroom dancing (including a big old tug of Alshon Jeffery's arm when he "failed" to make a one-handed catch and it was intercepted) but nary a penalty on their secondary the entire game. Meanwhile a couple of well timed illegal contacts conveniently extended drives for Mr. Brady. Yeah I'm still complaining about the only Super Bowl we have won.
There were shit calls both ways in that game, including the TD they gave Philly where Clement clearly bobbled the ball, but what can you do? that was 4 years ago. Also your team won, it's ok to let it go.

None of that changes how poorly the AFFCCG was officiated this year.

Dude that was a catch. And one of the greatest throws in Super Bowl history, I might add.

Doesn't look like a catch to me, but if you say so.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2018/02/04/super-bowl-eagles-touchdown-bobbled-patriots-replay-controversy/

That left foot there would've been his third step... TOUCHDOWN!

He hasn't completed the catch in that picture, but ok.

Philly deserved the win & got it. Doesn't mean it wasn't a shit call. It's ok.

You are allowed (and were allowed under the previous rule that was in effect) to have slight movement after having two feet in bounds, while still maintaining control of the football. In this case, Corey was basically moving the ball from his right to left hand. He had control.

Call on the field stands: TOUCHDOWN!

There was more than a little word salad in trying to justify that call in the aftermath, but it's all good.

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/corey-clement-super-bowl-touchdown-shouldnt-have-counted-troy-vincent/

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/damn-right-clements-super-bowl-td-was-catch

There was movement but the possession wasn't lost. TOUCHDOWN.

Go Birds.

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