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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
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    Johnny Abruzzo said:
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    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    It seemed like there were a good number of calls against the Bengals but that push out of bounds was a stupid mental error and they probably go to OT if he doesn't do that.

    There was a big disparity against the 49ers too - they were clearly spiraling after failing to protect their QB's and those guys gotta call what they see. They said the guy was pushed into the punter on the roughing the punter call - kinda borderline on that one. It was 31-7 - and they are still blaming the refs - come on.
    With the exception of the roughing the kicker call, the PHI / SF game from what I saw was called pretty fairly. I don't think there's any real comparison between the two games...like you said, SF melted down and it showed. 

    While on the subject: I hate when people point to the disparity of calls against as evidence of malfeasance. (Not saying that's what you're doing here). That seems to be a new thing in recent years... I guess I just don't know where the notion came from that refs need to call the same amount of penalties against each team to be fair. If one team is sloppier / less disciplined than the other, it's going to show. 

    Calling it both ways is IMO the most we can ask for... which they sure as shit didn't do in the AFCCG. 
    I mean, we can go back and talk about SB LII - the Patriots CB's (esp Stephan Gilmore) were holding the Eagles receivers like they were ballroom dancing (including a big old tug of Alshon Jeffery's arm when he "failed" to make a one-handed catch and it was intercepted) but nary a penalty on their secondary the entire game. Meanwhile a couple of well timed illegal contacts conveniently extended drives for Mr. Brady. Yeah I'm still complaining about the only Super Bowl we have won.
    There were shit calls both ways in that game, including the TD they gave Philly where Clement clearly bobbled the ball, but what can you do? that was 4 years ago. Also your team won, it's ok to let it go. 

    None of that changes how poorly the AFFCCG was officiated this year. 
    Dude that was a catch. And one of the greatest throws in Super Bowl history, I might add. 
    Doesn't look like a catch to me, but if you say so. 

     https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2018/02/04/super-bowl-eagles-touchdown-bobbled-patriots-replay-controversy/



    That left foot there would've been his third step... TOUCHDOWN!


    He hasn't completed the catch in that picture, but ok. 

    Philly deserved the win & got it. Doesn't mean it wasn't a shit call. It's ok. 
    You are allowed (and were allowed under the previous rule that was in effect) to have slight movement after having two feet in bounds, while still maintaining control of the football. In this case, Corey was basically moving the ball from his right to left hand. He had control. 

    Call on the field stands: TOUCHDOWN!

    There was more than a little word salad in trying to justify that call in the aftermath, but it's all good. 

    https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/corey-clement-super-bowl-touchdown-shouldnt-have-counted-troy-vincent/ 
    https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/damn-right-clements-super-bowl-td-was-catch

    It is funny how a Boston publication and a Philly one can interpret the same quote differently. 

    Go Birds.
    Of course the league had to do damage control after what Vincent said. They couldn't leave that nonsense hanging out there. 

    Not to mention the USA today article I linked above wasn't a Boston publication. 

    It's all good. The best team won that day, no argument here. 
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    edited January 2023

    Hopefully the league doesn't implement any of next year's new rules for this year's Super Bowl.  :D
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Merkin Baller said:

    Hopefully the league doesn't implement any of next year's new rules for this year's Super Bowl.  :D
    Hey at least you're not still salty over the Ertz touchdown like some people I know .
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    edited January 2023
    The Juggler said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    Hopefully the league doesn't implement any of next year's new rules for this year's Super Bowl.  :D
    Hey at least you're not still salty over the Ertz touchdown like some people I know .
    Had NE not won the year before or after I might still be. 

    I can't say it enough, Philly deserved that win. They were a team of destiny that year and it was one hell of a super bowl. Doesn't mean that wasn't a shit call, but good teams don't put themselves in a position to let one or two bad calls decide a game. 
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,487
    You can say it all you want but you are still wrong and it was still a correctly called touchdown.
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    You can say it all you want but you are still wrong and it was still a correctly called touchdown.
    It’s ok to admit your team benefitted from a bad call, which they did. 

    Good luck next Sunday. 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    You can say it all you want but you are still wrong and it was still a correctly called touchdown.
    If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession. If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any part of his body to the ground, it is not a catch.

    Ruling on the field stands: TOUCHDOWN!

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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818

    Good luck next weekend guys.  :D 


  • Glorified KC
    Glorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,814
    Loved this.  Btw, Go Chiefs!

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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    The Juggler said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    You can say it all you want but you are still wrong and it was still a correctly called touchdown.
    If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession. If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any part of his body to the ground, it is not a catch.

    Ruling on the field stands: TOUCHDOWN!

    My interest has been piqued here, so I pulled up the 2017 rulebook. That phrase you're quoting is in there, but it's only a note under article 7 and only applies after the player has established possession of the ball. The 1st item in the article pretty clearly defines possession. 

    "ARTICLE 7. PLAYER POSSESSION.
    Item 1
    Player in Possession. A player is in possession when he is inbounds and has a firm grip and control of the ball with his hands or arms."
     
    https://operations.nfl.com/media/2646/2017-playing-rules.pdf


    Clement  never had a firm grip on it while inbounds which means he never established possession in the 1st place. They got it wrong. 

    It's ok it happens. Doesn't mean Philly's title isn't legit. It just means the officials got that call wrong. 
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,962
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Ha.  Arguing over it these years later.  Love it.
    It's Boston and Philadelphia, it's what both fan bases do. We (and they) constantly rehash both the good and the bad. Letting things go is not in the nature of either fan base.
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,487
    He had possession in the end zone and switched the ball to his other hand during the "surviving the ground" phase of the TD catch. He's got the ball secured with his right hand against his chest before his second foot lands in the end zone.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RvfdbhQ5tk
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    He had possession in the end zone and switched the ball to his other hand during the "surviving the ground" phase of the TD catch. He's got the ball secured with his right hand against his chest before his second foot lands in the end zone.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RvfdbhQ5tk

    He never establish a firm grip and control with both feet inbounds.

    They got it wrong, and it's ok. The title is still legit, I promise. 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    edited January 2023
    I LOVE that Pats fans are still salty about this, despite what they say, 6 years later.

    It was clearly a catch. And, this conversation dragging out this long has allowed for another Nick Foles gif. Please enjoy:

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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    The Juggler said:
    I LOVE that Pats fans are still salty about this, despite what they say, 6 years later.

    It was clearly a catch. And, this conversation dragging out so long has allowed for another Nick Foles gif. Please enjoy:

    When your team wins 6 titles in 18 years, you learn to let things go. I got over the SB42 loss when NE beat Seattle. I sure as shit ain't stewing over the SB52 loss. 

    It's comical this conversation started w/ an Eagles fan crying about the officiating in SB52 despite the victory. I get it... it took me several titles to get over that mindset as well.  
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    & for the record, the NE fans who ARE still salty over 52 are pissed at Belichick for benching Butler,, not the officials or anyone else.

    I'm not one of them. I'm a glass half full guy, and I focus on the titles they won, not the titles they lost. 


    I meant it when I wished Philly luck next week. I'm rooting for the Eagles.

    I don't have the hatred for Philly teams that a lot of Boston fans do. I love the city, and have had great road trips there for concerts and ball games at Citizens Bank... I have a soft spot for you degenerate bastards and your city. 


    None of that changes the fact that the officials got the Clement call wrong tho.  :D 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,715
    That's a TD, stop it.
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,962
    You want to talk still salty about Eagles/Pats Super Bowls?

    I'm still salty nearly 2 decades later that Rodney Harrison decided to do the smart thing by taking a knee instead of taking the clear path to the end zone on this play:

    https://youtu.be/imvCjWXjpNc

    Was partners in a $100 square with the numbers 1,1. If he runs it back, I hit for $1,250.00.

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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,962
    In case anyone still didn't think the Pro Bowl was a complete joke.
    Tyler Huntley is a pro bowl QB this year.
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    Poncier said:
    You want to talk still salty about Eagles/Pats Super Bowls?

    I'm still salty nearly 2 decades later that Rodney Harrison decided to do the smart thing by taking a knee instead of taking the clear path to the end zone on this play:

    https://youtu.be/imvCjWXjpNc

    Was partners in a $100 square with the numbers 1,1. If he runs it back, I hit for $1,250.00.

    I would still be salty too. 

    At least you don't get reminded of it every Sunday.  :s 

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