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AI revisited (again).
brianlux
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A while back, dancepartner posted thoughts on artificial intelligence. This months Mother Jones has published an article by Kevin Drum, entitled "Terminated" which talks about the likelihood of AI becoming a reality twenty years or so from now. The article (which I don't find on-line this early after publication) covers the development of AI and many of its benefits but also focuses much on the problem of jobs elimination. Personally, I believe there are other inherent problems with AI including questions that will arise in the future such as:
-What does it mean to be human?
-What are humans for?
-When is enough?
-If the power goes out in the short term how will we take care of ourselves?
-If the power goes out in the long run, will we survive?
-Once AI is developed, will real, human/hand skills survive? Many are already dying out such as chasing and engraving, weaving, hand sewing, masonry and stone carving, etc.
From my own personal standpoint, I would not mind not living to see AI. I prefer a world full of real minds.
-What does it mean to be human?
-What are humans for?
-When is enough?
-If the power goes out in the short term how will we take care of ourselves?
-If the power goes out in the long run, will we survive?
-Once AI is developed, will real, human/hand skills survive? Many are already dying out such as chasing and engraving, weaving, hand sewing, masonry and stone carving, etc.
From my own personal standpoint, I would not mind not living to see AI. I prefer a world full of real minds.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
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This seems to tie into it, somehow...though from a different angle.
We have robotics doing a shitload for us...analyzing, working an assembly line, running our cars, phone apps that control tv, AC, security systems.
What IS being human? No different than being any other animal.
"Enough" is subjective; who is anyone else to determine what is enough for me?
Let people's opinions apply to themselves and no one else.
As far as carving goes Brian there aren't people clamoring for that so maybe it would go to being a desired skill again which could be a good thing?
Yeah, he's good!
Sure, here is an example of lyrics that are similar in style to those written by Pearl Jam:
Verse 1: I'm standing on the edge of a cliff With a heart full of rage Trying to forget all the pain And the mistakes I've made
Chorus: But I won't be silenced I'll raise my voice and sing For the ones who've been broken And the ones who've yet to see the light
Verse 2: I've been living in the shadows Of a past that's full of scars But I won't let it define me I'll break the chains and go far
Chorus: 'Cause I won't be silenced I'll raise my voice and sing For the ones who've been broken And the ones who've yet to see the light
Bridge: With every step I take And every breath I make I'll be fighting for a better tomorrow For a world that's free and true
Chorus: And I won't be silenced I'll raise my voice and sing For the ones who've been broken And the ones who've yet to see the light
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Did they go deeper in depth after 20 minutes? If so, I’ll go back and watch the rest.
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https://www.theredhandfiles.com/chat-gpt-what-do-you-think/
.ISSUE #218 / JANUARY 2023
I asked Chat GPT to write a song in the style of Nick Cave and this is what it produced. What do you think?
Verse 1:
In the depths of the night, I hear a call
A voice that echoes, through the hall
It’s a siren’s song, that pulls me in
Takes me to a place, where I can’t begin
Chorus:
I am the sinner, I am the saint
I am the darkness, I am the light
I am the hunter, I am the prey
I am the devil, I am the savior
Verse 2:
I walk the streets, with my head held high
I’ve got my demons, but I’ll make them fly
I’ll dance with the devil, and I’ll play his game
I’ll be the one, to call his name
Chorus:
I am the sinner, I am the saint
I am the darkness, I am the light
I am the hunter, I am the prey
I am the devil, I am the savior
Bridge:
I’ve got the blood of angels, on my hands
I’ve got the fire of hell, in my eyes
I’m the king of the abyss, I’m the ruler of the dark
I’m the one that they fear, in the shadows they hark
Chorus:
I am the sinner, I am the saint
I am the darkness, I am the light
I am the hunter, I am the prey
I am the devil, I am the savior
Outro:
So come with me, to the edge of the night
Where the darkness and the light collide
We’ll walk the line, between the good and the bad
And we’ll see, who comes out on top in the end.
MARK, CHRISTCHURCH, NEW ZEALAND
Dear Mark,
Since its launch in November last year many people, most buzzing with a kind of algorithmic awe, have sent me songs ‘in the style of Nick Cave’ created by ChatGPT. There have been dozens of them. Suffice to say, I do not feel the same enthusiasm around this technology. I understand that ChatGPT is in its infancy but perhaps that is the emerging horror of AI – that it will forever be in its infancy, as it will always have further to go, and the direction is always forward, always faster. It can never be rolled back, or slowed down, as it moves us toward a utopian future, maybe, or our total destruction. Who can possibly say which? Judging by this song ‘in the style of Nick Cave’ though, it doesn’t look good, Mark. The apocalypse is well on its way. This song sucks.
What ChatGPT is, in this instance, is replication as travesty. ChatGPT may be able to write a speech or an essay or a sermon or an obituary but it cannot create a genuine song. It could perhaps in time create a song that is, on the surface, indistinguishable from an original, but it will always be a replication, a kind of burlesque.
Songs arise out of suffering, by which I mean they are predicated upon the complex, internal human struggle of creation and, well, as far as I know, algorithms don’t feel. Data doesn’t suffer. ChatGPT has no inner being, it has been nowhere, it has endured nothing, it has not had the audacity to reach beyond its limitations, and hence it doesn’t have the capacity for a shared transcendent experience, as it has no limitations from which to transcend. ChatGPT’s melancholy role is that it is destined to imitate and can never have an authentic human experience, no matter how devalued and inconsequential the human experience may in time become.
What makes a great song great is not its close resemblance to a recognizable work. Writing a good song is not mimicry, or replication, or pastiche, it is the opposite. It is an act of self-murder that destroys all one has strived to produce in the past. It is those dangerous, heart-stopping departures that catapult the artist beyond the limits of what he or she recognises as their known self. This is part of the authentic creative struggle that precedes the invention of a unique lyric of actual value; it is the breathless confrontation with one’s vulnerability, one’s perilousness, one’s smallness, pitted against a sense of sudden shocking discovery; it is the redemptive artistic act that stirs the heart of the listener, where the listener recognizes in the inner workings of the song their own blood, their own struggle, their own suffering. This is what we humble humans can offer, that AI can only mimic, the transcendent journey of the artist that forever grapples with his or her own shortcomings. This is where human genius resides, deeply embedded within, yet reaching beyond, those limitations.
It may sound like I’m taking all this a little too personally, but I’m a songwriter who is engaged, at this very moment, in the process of songwriting. It’s a blood and guts business, here at my desk, that requires something of me to initiate the new and fresh idea. It requires my humanness. What that new idea is, I don’t know, but it is out there somewhere, searching for me. In time, we will find each other.
Mark, thanks for the song, but with all the love and respect in the world, this song is bullshit, a grotesque mockery of what it is to be human, and, well, I don’t much like it — although, hang on!, rereading it, there is a line in there that speaks to me —
‘I’ve got the fire of hell in my eyes’
— says the song ‘in the style of Nick Cave’, and that’s kind of true. I have got the fire of hell in my eyes – and it’s ChatGPT.
Love, Nick
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
Machines are, indeed, infiltrating our lives in subtle and not so subtle ways every day. I'm not a Luddite or anti-machine, but I do very much agree Bill McKibben's premise in his excellent book from 2003, Enough: Staying Human in an Engineered Age. That book, to me at least, is more important than eve now.