Police abuse

Hobbes said:

"Blue Lives Matter" crowd pretty silent now that five Black cops were arrested.

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

"Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 

A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 

DewieCox said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

"Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 

A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 

If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

"Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 

A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. Its a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

DewieCox said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

"Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 

A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 

If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?

Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.

It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.

Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 

Gern Blansten said:

I actually heard someone comment that the only reason the cops were arrested so quickly was because they were black....let that sink in

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

DewieCox said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

"Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 

A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 

If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?

Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.

It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.

Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 

So 50 years ago you don't think there were "groups" that cheered the killing of police officers or even targeted them? That's a broad definition for "acceptable" by the way. 

There were groups that cheered the killing of Kennedy...MLK, etc. NOT acceptable.

I'm sure there always have been.
But the anti-police crowd seems stronger now than even just 10 years ago. I dont think someone who signed up to be a cop 10 or 12 years ago projected what the job would be like today. I dont like the "well they signed up for it" argument in response to police killings. Doesn't make sense to me. No one signed up for that.Sure, maybe they'd thought they'd be cussed out, but never shot in the back of the head while writing a report. 
Maybe its just because of the internet and we see the videos now, but it seems worse than 10 years ago. I wouldn't have pictured what I saw happening before. If you havent seen those videos, I think its worth watching. 2 innocent people got shot and the witnesses just laugh and mock them trying to bandage themselves and call for help.
And back to my first point. When I hear blue lives matter its not about being anti black, its protesting killings like that.

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

DewieCox said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

"Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 

A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 

If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?

Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.

It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.

Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 

So 50 years ago you don't think there were "groups" that cheered the killing of police officers or even targeted them? That's a broad definition for "acceptable" by the way. 

There were groups that cheered the killing of Kennedy...MLK, etc. NOT acceptable.

I'm sure there always have been.
But the anti-police crowd seems stronger now than even just 10 years ago. I dont think someone who signed up to be a cop 10 or 12 years ago projected what the job would be like today. I dont like the "well they signed up for it" argument in response to police killings. Doesn't make sense to me. No one signed up for that.Sure, maybe they'd thought they'd be cussed out, but never shot in the back of the head while writing a report. 
Maybe its just because of the internet and we see the videos now, but it seems worse than 10 years ago. I wouldn't have pictured what I saw happening before. If you havent seen those videos, I think its worth watching. 2 innocent people got shot and the witnesses just laugh and mock them trying to bandage themselves and call for help.
And back to my first point. When I hear blue lives matter its not about being anti black, its protesting killings like that.

Where has it been said "well they signed up for it" in response to police killings? 

I don't know a single person here or in real life who encourages or approves of police killings. 

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

DewieCox said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

"Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 

A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 

If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?

Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.

It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.

Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 

So 50 years ago you don't think there were "groups" that cheered the killing of police officers or even targeted them? That's a broad definition for "acceptable" by the way. 

There were groups that cheered the killing of Kennedy...MLK, etc. NOT acceptable.

I'm sure there always have been.
But the anti-police crowd seems stronger now than even just 10 years ago. I dont think someone who signed up to be a cop 10 or 12 years ago projected what the job would be like today. I dont like the "well they signed up for it" argument in response to police killings. Doesn't make sense to me. No one signed up for that.Sure, maybe they'd thought they'd be cussed out, but never shot in the back of the head while writing a report. 
Maybe its just because of the internet and we see the videos now, but it seems worse than 10 years ago. I wouldn't have pictured what I saw happening before. If you havent seen those videos, I think its worth watching. 2 innocent people got shot and the witnesses just laugh and mock them trying to bandage themselves and call for help.
And back to my first point. When I hear blue lives matter its not about being anti black, its protesting killings like that.

Where has it been said "well they signed up for it" in response to police killings? 

I don't know a single person here or in real life who encourages or approves of police killings. 

He's referring to my comment but I just meant that if you are going to be a cop you know that your life will be on the line all the time. It's unfortunate that some of them become targets because of the actions of others. But that is likely why cops assault seemingly innocent people as well...because of the actions of others they automatically assume you deserve a beatdown.

The executions of those cops was horrifying. 

The response of the people who blocked the ambulances etc was equally horrifying. Our society's deeply fucked, no argument there... but to suggest "the community" encourages or finds acceptable the murder of police based on those incidents is nonsense. It's a sweeping generalization, and no different or any less wrong than saying all cops are murderous racists.

The state I've lived in my entire life is as blue as it gets, and literally no one I know or have ever known finds the killing of police officers acceptable.