No More Festivals!!!

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  • luxpjamer
    luxpjamer Posts: 837
    It's nonsense to blame every festival because there were accidents in two of them in the last 7 years. There are more deads or injuries because of car accidents, plane crashes, train but you are still using it, or?

    Look what happened in 1985 in the Heysel stadium during the game liverpool-juventus, it was dramatic but people are still going to football games !!!
    Beavis : Is this Pearl Jam?
    Butt-head: This guy makes faces like Eddie Vedder.
    Beavis: No, Eddie Vedder makes faces like this guy.
    Butt-head: I heard these guys, like, came first and Pearl Jam ripped them off.
    Beavis: No, Pearl Jam came first.
    Butt-head: Well, they both suck.
  • The Cayzer
    The Cayzer Posts: 15
    I can see both sides of this argument, but for what it's worth, here's my opinion.

    I've seen a lot of PJ shows on both sides of the Atlantic, including festival shows in Europe, so I guess that put's me in a small group of people who have seen the differences in the organization first hand.

    PJ only shows are organized VERY differently to festival shows and the band have much more control over what's happening in all aspects of the show. For me, a PJ only show comes with a greater sense of security.

    With a festival, they are very much in the hands of the local organizers / security etc, despite any specific demands they may make before agreeing to play the show.

    My experience of festival organization / security has been overwhelmingly bad and it's very different to the way that PJ now handles things at their own show.

    Anyone who has spent anytime at the front will have seen how demanding PJ's own security are, they are VERY specific about how things should be done, where security should stand etc. This involvement is often reduced at a festival show.

    The issue in Italy was clearly a freak of nature and so it's difficult to point fingers of blame, however, I know from experience that organizers of festivals in Europe, given the choice, would much rather save money than go the extra mile with safety and security. They tend to do what is considered adequate, which sometimes is not enough. I think PJ has a very different approach for obvious reasons. The level of acceptable safety measures also varies massively from country to country.

    I would personally be happy if they never played a festival ever again, but I do understand the reasons for wanting to play them as they reach a wider audience and generate a lot of money for the band (not a criticism).
  • luxpjamer
    luxpjamer Posts: 837
    The Cayzer wrote:
    I would personally be happy if they never played a festival ever again, but I do understand the reasons for wanting to play them as they reach a wider audience and generate a lot of money for the band (not a criticism).

    a Festival ain't just a money thing, man!!!
    It's an experience, all this people just there for the music and fun, sleeping in a tent, dancing in the mudd, making new friends,...it's like a camp fire and pearl jam is performing. I never saw pj at a festival and I would love too.
    Beavis : Is this Pearl Jam?
    Butt-head: This guy makes faces like Eddie Vedder.
    Beavis: No, Eddie Vedder makes faces like this guy.
    Butt-head: I heard these guys, like, came first and Pearl Jam ripped them off.
    Beavis: No, Pearl Jam came first.
    Butt-head: Well, they both suck.
  • The Cayzer
    The Cayzer Posts: 15
    I know..i've been to plenty of festivals...both good and bad....when they are good, they are very very good.....when they are bad....well...we've all been there.

    I didn't say it was just about money, and even if it was, it's not necessarily as bad thing - but it's a huge factor in the decision making process.

    If PJ needs to justify a trip to Europe by making several festival appearances then it's fine by me, it saves me a ton of money as I don't have to make as many trips to the US to see them, but given the choice, I'll take PJ only shows every day of the week and twice on a sunday :)
  • tinorangi
    tinorangi Posts: 5
    I compleatly disagree.

    was at mestre for the festival, and pearl jam would of been the highlight of it for me. going along, and watching a cornacopia of music is fantastic, we had been talking about the lineup all week, such a melting pot of fans and music, and if its organised well (and someone deciceds it might be a good idea to secure scafolds to the ground!) they are simply a fantastic experience. whats bad with sitting in a field for a few days seeing different bands and too have it all topped of with PJ!! yea there can be problems with them, though the double barrier thing they have at (i think) all festivals PJ play at removes some of the danger. watched them at reading and at dusseldorf and although dusseldorf was a better PJ gig, the Reading experience tops it hands down (even if i did have to sit through placebo first) if they pick the right festivals there just as good as solo gigs
    Reading Festival August 2006
    Heineken Jammin Festival June 2007 (Cancelled)
    ISS Dome Dusseldorf June 2007
    Manchester Evening News Arena - August 2008
    O2 Arena London - August 2008
  • parel jam
    parel jam Posts: 7,223
    The only reason I could imagine why Pearl Jam shouldn't play festivals anymore is because all the non-PJ fans, who only want to hear Alive...
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    8 iron towers (not a prdocut of our mother nature ;) )are not fixed on the ground
    I understand that the initial findings showed the towers had passed safety inspection and were fixed as they should have been.

    A storm that can break a tree in two can easily topple towers.

    Lets not be over dramatic... I am sorry for those who were hurt, but we should not go ott.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    jfm wrote:
    Pearl Jam should play only their own shows, where they can directly control security.

    But this wasn't a security issue.. you're getting things mixed up.
  • vedder_soup
    vedder_soup Posts: 5,861
    redrock wrote:
    I understand that the initial findings showed the towers had passed safety inspection and were fixed as they should have been.

    A storm that can break a tree in two can easily topple towers.

    Lets not be over dramatic... I am sorry for those who were hurt, but we should not go ott.

    as it has been mentioned it was a freak of nature, had there been no wind with that storm, everyone would be jumping around in the mud and having a great time. everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but in the end, the bad will play where the band want to play
    2003 - Sydney x3,
    2006 - Reading Festival,
    2007 - Katowice, London, Nijmegen, Rock Werchter,
    2008 - MSG x2, Hartford, Mansfield x2, Beacon Theater,
    2009 - Melbourne, Sydney,
    2010 - I watched it go to fire!
    2011 - EV Brisbane x3, Newcastle, Sydney x3,
    2012 - Manchester x 2, Amsterdam x2, Prague, Berlin x2, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen,
    2014 - Sydney, EV Sydney x3

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  • Mine
    Mine Posts: 556
    I don't think there is anything wrong with the idea of festivals per se. However I don't think it makes much sense to make festivals with line ups as they are done now. I'd be more than happy to have been around in the late 60s or early 70s, now those were line ups. I'm not talking just about the big ones like Monterey pop, Woodstock or Isle of wight. There were a lot of smaller festivals around america with bands that made sense to be together and jammed with each other, now that would be a festival to go.

    Pearl Jam, lp, mcr... how much sense does that make, and not financial, since for the festival goer it's not a pro? Heineken jammin festival was all about the money not about rock&roll.

    About the weather and the storm. Wild storms do happen in the upper Adriatic in summer, being the festivall site plane and above the see, the storm comes as violent as it is and wind up to 100km/h and above are not that rare, ask people from Trieste. I live on the other side of the Adriatic and less than a month agoo a simillar tornado hit the cost, but where it hit the cost is very high so it didn't make it far and made no harm.
    The fact that the towers were made to resist a wind speed up to 90km/h sounds naive knowing stronger winds are not all that rare here. At least a little norther they are not.

    The people were great, that's what saved it.

    As for Pearl Jam, i highly doupt anybody would rather see them on a festival gig than a solo show. Needles to say a storm doesn't blow off an indor gig.
    I knew who I was before other people started telling me who I was. J.Joplin
  • Niko80
    Niko80 Posts: 1,613
    As an experience. I'd rather see them on a festival. You get to see more bands, and meet up with all kinds of people. My best memories are from attending festivals.
    I will swallow poison
  • jfm wrote:
    **this goes straight to Pearl Jam**


    Hi guys,

    i don't know if you would ever read this but i feel i have to write what i think: i was in Mestre last night and just came back at home after hours and hours of driving out of that hell.
    You can't even imagine how much i love you and your music (i'll be in London and Dusseldorf in spite of everything, catching plane for the 1st time in my life only to come and see you...)

    BUT

    in the name of this love and passion, i wanna ask you PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE...

    DON'T PLAY FESTIVALS ANYMORE!

    DON'T get involved in something set up only to make money and speculate on people's passion. Do your own tours, play shows everywhere you want...we'll be as always in the 1st row enjoying the show, but PLEASE DON'T PLAY FESTIVALS: they've shown in too many occasions they can't absolutely guarantee people's safety that you always proved to care so much. Yesterday in Mestre almost ALL structures collapsed in less than 10 minutes on our heads...this is UNACCEPTABLE and UNJUSTIFIABLE.
    We were lucky enough to came back home safe, but maybe next time someone else couldn't be as fortunate.

    I really hope you'll read and take in consideration my "request" that - i assure you - reflects a lot of people's thought.
    I'm sure you love us as much as we love you so PLEASE don't play festivals anymore.


    With love,

    Paolo


    i don´t agree you, last year pj played in azkena rock festival more than 2 hours and it was wonderfull. this year play in madrid in festimad ( festibad
    for my and many people). the organization ask for pearl jam a show not much longer than 90 minutes. pj don´t have blame ( it´s my own opinion, sorry). i drave 400 km to go and other 400km for come back.... very happy


    the weather.... the lucky..... too much things that the human cannot control. sorry.
    i am happy that you can tell us.
    best regards paolo
    san sebastian 1996 ( no code tour)
    san sebastian 2000 (binaural tour)
    vitoria-gasteiz 2006 (pearl jam tour)
    madrid 2007 (european tour )



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