Houston Tipping

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1577104442444238848

This is crazy. Tipping had been investigating a gang rape by four policemen. One of them was involved in the exercise that resulted in his death.

If that's all true then its pretty crazy. I didn't see any of that mention in the article though. I Googled it and read 2 other articles, all I saw was that he took the initial report, didn't see anything about him being part of the investigation.  I assume taking the report doesn't;t mean he is the one investigating it, I would think that just means he takes the initial statement and passes it on to someone else. Especially if its a complaint about other cops, there'd be a special team for that. Where did you read he was also the investigator, other than the twitter post? All I heard in the audio was that he was someone connected to it, which could mean he took the report. Is there confirmation he was also investigating it? That seems like a big difference to me.

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

This is one of those stories I'll have to wait until the details are confirmed. Looks like only the attorney is saying he was actively investigating. All other sources I read, which admittedly are not many, state he just took the initial report. There's a huge difference between actively investigating and taking an initial report a year ago and passing it on to the investigation team. The police chief seems to deny everything. I would think if there was an active investigation, that could be proven. 
Also it doesn't make sense that the person who took the initial report is also the lead investigator. Or that they would still be working together and participate in training exercises together if one was investigating the other. Thats why all the other accounts make more sense to me and I'm waiting for confirmation on this story.

Is there a problem in police culture? Yes
do police punish other police for ratting on them? Yes
Do good cops (there are a lot) know this and generally just keep their heads down? Yes 

policing is like baseball.  There is a rule book, then there is an unwritten code.  You follow that code or you are in trouble.  

You can need more information on this specific case, but you cannot deny the systemic issues in policing that this story points to

if you personally know a cop, ask them. They will tell you.  The good ones all know it’s rotten but they absolutely won’t bring that up at work.  It’s an open secret 

an internal affairs police officer is isolated/hated/actively uncooperated with way more than a corporate compliance employee at a civilian job. That says something right there. 

Merkin Baller said:

I’m sure there’ll be a significant response from the Blue Lives Matter crowd over this, right? 

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

I’m sure there’ll be a significant response from the Blue Lives Matter crowd over this, right? 

“Those who enforce this code – the blue wall of silence – have stuffed dead rats and feces into fellow officers’ lockers. They’ve issued death threats, ignored requests for backup, threatened family members and planted drugs on the officers who reported misconduct.  

Department leaders often condone these reprisals or pile on by launching internal investigations to discredit those who expose wrongdoing. Whistleblowers have been fired, jailed and in a least one case, forcibly admitted to a psychiatric ward. “

I would imagine their “supporters” in the general public are ok with it as long as they police the communities they want them to police and keep the corruption from affecting their daily lives. 

these are not isolated incidents.  It’s engrained in police culture 


It goes on to say 

In South Carolina, an officer leaked the fact that fellow deputies beat a prisoner who later died in custody. In Florida, a detective reported a captain who had impregnated a 16-year-old girl and then paid for the abortion. In Oregon, a sergeant complained that a co-worker bragged about killing an unarmed teenager.    

After speaking out, all of them were forced out of their departments and were branded traitors by their fellow officers.    

“Whistleblowing is a life sentence,” said a former undercover narcotics officer detective in Chicago who exposed a corruption scheme that has led to dozens of overturned convictions. “I’m an officer without a department. I lost my house, I lost my marriage. It affects you in ways you would never imagine.”    

https://www.usatoday.com/story/story-series/2021/11/15/cops-risk-their-jobs-when-they-report-colleagues-misconduct/6355677001/

I’m not saying it’s easy to be a whistleblower ina department.
But as I see it, there’s 2 ways this went down.
1) The cop that took the initial report was also part of the investigation. He continued to work closely with and train at least some of the deputies he was investigating. They were aware they were being investigated. One of those cops convinced 3 others who had nothing to do with the investigation to go along with beating him to death.
2) He took the initial report. The report was passed on to the investigation team and he had no further involvement. This was an accident as reported by the coroner.

Both I guess are possible, but option 2 seems much more likely. Especially when the only evidence for #1 is the word of a lawyer suing the department. I’ve seen nothing that suggests his involvement was beyond taking the initial report, other than the statement from the attorney. Seems unlikely the cop taking the initial report, who’s only been on a few years and is doing tactical trainings is also part of the internal investigation team. Just isn’t adding up to me. It’s not just 1 murderous cop in this story, he had to convince 3 others to go along with it and a coroner if I want to believe this.

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

I’m sure there’ll be a significant response from the Blue Lives Matter crowd over this, right? 

“Those who enforce this code – the blue wall of silence – have stuffed dead rats and feces into fellow officers’ lockers. They’ve issued death threats, ignored requests for backup, threatened family members and planted drugs on the officers who reported misconduct.  

Department leaders often condone these reprisals or pile on by launching internal investigations to discredit those who expose wrongdoing. Whistleblowers have been fired, jailed and in a least one case, forcibly admitted to a psychiatric ward. “

I would imagine their “supporters” in the general public are ok with it as long as they police the communities they want them to police and keep the corruption from affecting their daily lives. 

these are not isolated incidents.  It’s engrained in police culture 


It goes on to say 

In South Carolina, an officer leaked the fact that fellow deputies beat a prisoner who later died in custody. In Florida, a detective reported a captain who had impregnated a 16-year-old girl and then paid for the abortion. In Oregon, a sergeant complained that a co-worker bragged about killing an unarmed teenager.    

After speaking out, all of them were forced out of their departments and were branded traitors by their fellow officers.    

“Whistleblowing is a life sentence,” said a former undercover narcotics officer detective in Chicago who exposed a corruption scheme that has led to dozens of overturned convictions. “I’m an officer without a department. I lost my house, I lost my marriage. It affects you in ways you would never imagine.”    

https://www.usatoday.com/story/story-series/2021/11/15/cops-risk-their-jobs-when-they-report-colleagues-misconduct/6355677001/

I’m not saying it’s easy to be a whistleblower ina department.
But as I see it, there’s 2 ways this went down.
1) The cop that took the initial report was also part of the investigation. He continued to work closely with and train at least some of the deputies he was investigating. They were aware they were being investigated. One of those cops convinced 3 others who had nothing to do with the investigation to go along with beating him to death.
2) He took the initial report. The report was passed on to the investigation team and he had no further involvement. This was an accident as reported by the coroner.

Both I guess are possible, but option 2 seems much more likely. Especially when the only evidence for #1 is the word of a lawyer suing the department. I’ve seen nothing that suggests his involvement was beyond taking the initial report, other than the statement from the attorney. Seems unlikely the cop taking the initial report, who’s only been on a few years and is doing tactical trainings is also part of the internal investigation team. Just isn’t adding up to me. It’s not just 1 murderous cop in this story, he had to convince 3 others to go along with it and a coroner if I want to believe this.

It’s not four murderous cops. It’s four raping cops who have motive.

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

I’m sure there’ll be a significant response from the Blue Lives Matter crowd over this, right? 

“Those who enforce this code – the blue wall of silence – have stuffed dead rats and feces into fellow officers’ lockers. They’ve issued death threats, ignored requests for backup, threatened family members and planted drugs on the officers who reported misconduct.  

Department leaders often condone these reprisals or pile on by launching internal investigations to discredit those who expose wrongdoing. Whistleblowers have been fired, jailed and in a least one case, forcibly admitted to a psychiatric ward. “

I would imagine their “supporters” in the general public are ok with it as long as they police the communities they want them to police and keep the corruption from affecting their daily lives. 

these are not isolated incidents.  It’s engrained in police culture 


It goes on to say 

In South Carolina, an officer leaked the fact that fellow deputies beat a prisoner who later died in custody. In Florida, a detective reported a captain who had impregnated a 16-year-old girl and then paid for the abortion. In Oregon, a sergeant complained that a co-worker bragged about killing an unarmed teenager.    

After speaking out, all of them were forced out of their departments and were branded traitors by their fellow officers.    

“Whistleblowing is a life sentence,” said a former undercover narcotics officer detective in Chicago who exposed a corruption scheme that has led to dozens of overturned convictions. “I’m an officer without a department. I lost my house, I lost my marriage. It affects you in ways you would never imagine.”    

https://www.usatoday.com/story/story-series/2021/11/15/cops-risk-their-jobs-when-they-report-colleagues-misconduct/6355677001/

I’m not saying it’s easy to be a whistleblower ina department.
But as I see it, there’s 2 ways this went down.
1) The cop that took the initial report was also part of the investigation. He continued to work closely with and train at least some of the deputies he was investigating. They were aware they were being investigated. One of those cops convinced 3 others who had nothing to do with the investigation to go along with beating him to death.
2) He took the initial report. The report was passed on to the investigation team and he had no further involvement. This was an accident as reported by the coroner.

Both I guess are possible, but option 2 seems much more likely. Especially when the only evidence for #1 is the word of a lawyer suing the department. I’ve seen nothing that suggests his involvement was beyond taking the initial report, other than the statement from the attorney. Seems unlikely the cop taking the initial report, who’s only been on a few years and is doing tactical trainings is also part of the internal investigation team. Just isn’t adding up to me. It’s not just 1 murderous cop in this story, he had to convince 3 others to go along with it and a coroner if I want to believe this.

It’s not four murderous cops. It’s four raping cops who have motive.

But didn’t it say they’re accusing the cop of beating the other one to death during a training exercise involving 4 cops? They all would have to be in on it to let him beat the other one to death. It wasn’t just the 2 of them.