Houston Tipping

Gern Blansten

https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1577104442444238848

This is crazy. Tipping had been investigating a gang rape by four policemen. One of them was involved in the exercise that resulted in his death.

Gern Blansten

https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1577105423551070208

Cropduster-80

Not surprising 

gang culture with a badge. Plain and simple 

brianlux

Cropduster-80 said:

Not surprising 

gang culture with a badge. Plain and simple 

That says it all.

Merkin Baller

I’m sure there’ll be a significant response from the Blue Lives Matter crowd over this, right? 

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1577104442444238848

This is crazy. Tipping had been investigating a gang rape by four policemen. One of them was involved in the exercise that resulted in his death.

If that's all true then its pretty crazy. I didn't see any of that mention in the article though. I Googled it and read 2 other articles, all I saw was that he took the initial report, didn't see anything about him being part of the investigation.  I assume taking the report doesn't;t mean he is the one investigating it, I would think that just means he takes the initial statement and passes it on to someone else. Especially if its a complaint about other cops, there'd be a special team for that. Where did you read he was also the investigator, other than the twitter post? All I heard in the audio was that he was someone connected to it, which could mean he took the report. Is there confirmation he was also investigating it? That seems like a big difference to me.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1577104442444238848

This is crazy. Tipping had been investigating a gang rape by four policemen. One of them was involved in the exercise that resulted in his death.

If that's all true then its pretty crazy. I didn't see any of that mention in the article though. I Googled it and read 2 other articles, all I saw was that he took the initial report, didn't see anything about him being part of the investigation.  I assume taking the report doesn't;t mean he is the one investigating it, I would think that just means he takes the initial statement and passes it on to someone else. Especially if its a complaint about other cops, there'd be a special team for that. Where did you read he was also the investigator, other than the twitter post? All I heard in the audio was that he was someone connected to it, which could mean he took the report. Is there confirmation he was also investigating it? That seems like a big difference to me.

But attorney Bradley Gage and Tipping’s family believe the officer was beaten to death, and that the department’s version of events doesn’t tell the entire story. During a Monday press conference, Gage said Tipping was actively investigating an alleged gang rape carried out by four members of the LAPD in July 2021, at least one of whom was present when Tipping died

Gern Blansten

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/lapd-officer-who-died-during-training-was-targeted-for-investigating-fellow-officers-family-attorney-says/

The attorney is the one who mentioned the rape investigation.

https://abc7.com/lapd-officer-dies-houston-tipping-training-accident-wrongful-death-claim/12293957/

mace1229

This is one of those stories I'll have to wait until the details are confirmed. Looks like only the attorney is saying he was actively investigating. All other sources I read, which admittedly are not many, state he just took the initial report. There's a huge difference between actively investigating and taking an initial report a year ago and passing it on to the investigation team. The police chief seems to deny everything. I would think if there was an active investigation, that could be proven. 
Also it doesn't make sense that the person who took the initial report is also the lead investigator. Or that they would still be working together and participate in training exercises together if one was investigating the other. Thats why all the other accounts make more sense to me and I'm waiting for confirmation on this story.

Cropduster-80

mace1229 said:

This is one of those stories I'll have to wait until the details are confirmed. Looks like only the attorney is saying he was actively investigating. All other sources I read, which admittedly are not many, state he just took the initial report. There's a huge difference between actively investigating and taking an initial report a year ago and passing it on to the investigation team. The police chief seems to deny everything. I would think if there was an active investigation, that could be proven. 
Also it doesn't make sense that the person who took the initial report is also the lead investigator. Or that they would still be working together and participate in training exercises together if one was investigating the other. Thats why all the other accounts make more sense to me and I'm waiting for confirmation on this story.

Is there a problem in police culture? Yes
do police punish other police for ratting on them? Yes
Do good cops (there are a lot) know this and generally just keep their heads down? Yes 

policing is like baseball.  There is a rule book, then there is an unwritten code.  You follow that code or you are in trouble.  

You can need more information on this specific case, but you cannot deny the systemic issues in policing that this story points to

if you personally know a cop, ask them. They will tell you.  The good ones all know it’s rotten but they absolutely won’t bring that up at work.  It’s an open secret 

an internal affairs police officer is isolated/hated/actively uncooperated with way more than a corporate compliance employee at a civilian job. That says something right there. 

mace1229

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

This is one of those stories I'll have to wait until the details are confirmed. Looks like only the attorney is saying he was actively investigating. All other sources I read, which admittedly are not many, state he just took the initial report. There's a huge difference between actively investigating and taking an initial report a year ago and passing it on to the investigation team. The police chief seems to deny everything. I would think if there was an active investigation, that could be proven. 
Also it doesn't make sense that the person who took the initial report is also the lead investigator. Or that they would still be working together and participate in training exercises together if one was investigating the other. Thats why all the other accounts make more sense to me and I'm waiting for confirmation on this story.

Is there a problem in police culture? Yes
do police punish other police for ratting on them? Yes
Do good cops (there are a lot) know this and generally just keep their heads down? Yes 

policing is like baseball.  There is a rule book, then there is an unwritten code.  You follow that code or you are in trouble.  

You can need more information on this specific case, but you cannot deny the systemic issues in policing that this story points to

if you personally know a cop, ask them. They will tell you.  The good ones all know it’s rotten but they absolutely won’t bring that up at work.  It’s an open secret 

an internal affairs police officer is isolated/hated/actively uncooperated with way more than a corporate compliance employee at a civilian job. That says something right there. 

But this is straight out of The Shield. I'm not saying it can't happen, but the accusation in the headline was enough to read the article. It wasn't mentioned in the article, I read a couple more, none of them mentioned that he was actively investigating it either. I asked for clarity on where this information is coming from. Turns out the only person claiming that he was actively investigating it is the family's lawyer who is suing the department. 
And it just raises questions about the accusations. I haven't seen anyone confirm the investigation. It wouldn't make sense to me he was the one investigating it for reasons already explained. To me this appears to be misinformation going around on twitter to claim as fact he was actively investigating a rape. 
I just don't see anything to make me believe he straight up murdered a cop in front of 3 other cops due to an investigation he was taking part of.
Yes there are unwritten rules. Yes police look out for each other. But there's a big leap to say cops will straight up work together and murder other cops in a conspiracy because of an investigation, that's a whole new level and I'm just not seeing evidence for here yet.

Bentleyspop

Merkin Baller said:

I’m sure there’ll be a significant response from the Blue Lives Matter crowd over this, right? 

They will blame Hunter Biden
Or
Hillary
Or
President Obama 

Cropduster-80

Merkin Baller said:

I’m sure there’ll be a significant response from the Blue Lives Matter crowd over this, right? 

“Those who enforce this code – the blue wall of silence – have stuffed dead rats and feces into fellow officers’ lockers. They’ve issued death threats, ignored requests for backup, threatened family members and planted drugs on the officers who reported misconduct.  

Department leaders often condone these reprisals or pile on by launching internal investigations to discredit those who expose wrongdoing. Whistleblowers have been fired, jailed and in a least one case, forcibly admitted to a psychiatric ward. “

I would imagine their “supporters” in the general public are ok with it as long as they police the communities they want them to police and keep the corruption from affecting their daily lives. 

these are not isolated incidents.  It’s engrained in police culture 


It goes on to say 

In South Carolina, an officer leaked the fact that fellow deputies beat a prisoner who later died in custody. In Florida, a detective reported a captain who had impregnated a 16-year-old girl and then paid for the abortion. In Oregon, a sergeant complained that a co-worker bragged about killing an unarmed teenager.    

After speaking out, all of them were forced out of their departments and were branded traitors by their fellow officers.    

“Whistleblowing is a life sentence,” said a former undercover narcotics officer detective in Chicago who exposed a corruption scheme that has led to dozens of overturned convictions. “I’m an officer without a department. I lost my house, I lost my marriage. It affects you in ways you would never imagine.”    

https://www.usatoday.com/story/story-series/2021/11/15/cops-risk-their-jobs-when-they-report-colleagues-misconduct/6355677001/

Merkin Baller

It's not as if the LAPD has a history of violence or intimidating the news media.   

The chief has denied everything. 

Case closed. 

Halifax2TheMax

Everything happens in a vacuum. No history of past transgressions to consider. And the cops and the DA? They tell the truth 100% of 100% of the time.

mace1229

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

I’m sure there’ll be a significant response from the Blue Lives Matter crowd over this, right? 

“Those who enforce this code – the blue wall of silence – have stuffed dead rats and feces into fellow officers’ lockers. They’ve issued death threats, ignored requests for backup, threatened family members and planted drugs on the officers who reported misconduct.  

Department leaders often condone these reprisals or pile on by launching internal investigations to discredit those who expose wrongdoing. Whistleblowers have been fired, jailed and in a least one case, forcibly admitted to a psychiatric ward. “

I would imagine their “supporters” in the general public are ok with it as long as they police the communities they want them to police and keep the corruption from affecting their daily lives. 

these are not isolated incidents.  It’s engrained in police culture 


It goes on to say 

In South Carolina, an officer leaked the fact that fellow deputies beat a prisoner who later died in custody. In Florida, a detective reported a captain who had impregnated a 16-year-old girl and then paid for the abortion. In Oregon, a sergeant complained that a co-worker bragged about killing an unarmed teenager.    

After speaking out, all of them were forced out of their departments and were branded traitors by their fellow officers.    

“Whistleblowing is a life sentence,” said a former undercover narcotics officer detective in Chicago who exposed a corruption scheme that has led to dozens of overturned convictions. “I’m an officer without a department. I lost my house, I lost my marriage. It affects you in ways you would never imagine.”    

https://www.usatoday.com/story/story-series/2021/11/15/cops-risk-their-jobs-when-they-report-colleagues-misconduct/6355677001/

I’m not saying it’s easy to be a whistleblower ina department.
But as I see it, there’s 2 ways this went down.
1) The cop that took the initial report was also part of the investigation. He continued to work closely with and train at least some of the deputies he was investigating. They were aware they were being investigated. One of those cops convinced 3 others who had nothing to do with the investigation to go along with beating him to death.
2) He took the initial report. The report was passed on to the investigation team and he had no further involvement. This was an accident as reported by the coroner.

Both I guess are possible, but option 2 seems much more likely. Especially when the only evidence for #1 is the word of a lawyer suing the department. I’ve seen nothing that suggests his involvement was beyond taking the initial report, other than the statement from the attorney. Seems unlikely the cop taking the initial report, who’s only been on a few years and is doing tactical trainings is also part of the internal investigation team. Just isn’t adding up to me. It’s not just 1 murderous cop in this story, he had to convince 3 others to go along with it and a coroner if I want to believe this.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

I’m sure there’ll be a significant response from the Blue Lives Matter crowd over this, right? 

“Those who enforce this code – the blue wall of silence – have stuffed dead rats and feces into fellow officers’ lockers. They’ve issued death threats, ignored requests for backup, threatened family members and planted drugs on the officers who reported misconduct.  

Department leaders often condone these reprisals or pile on by launching internal investigations to discredit those who expose wrongdoing. Whistleblowers have been fired, jailed and in a least one case, forcibly admitted to a psychiatric ward. “

I would imagine their “supporters” in the general public are ok with it as long as they police the communities they want them to police and keep the corruption from affecting their daily lives. 

these are not isolated incidents.  It’s engrained in police culture 


It goes on to say 

In South Carolina, an officer leaked the fact that fellow deputies beat a prisoner who later died in custody. In Florida, a detective reported a captain who had impregnated a 16-year-old girl and then paid for the abortion. In Oregon, a sergeant complained that a co-worker bragged about killing an unarmed teenager.    

After speaking out, all of them were forced out of their departments and were branded traitors by their fellow officers.    

“Whistleblowing is a life sentence,” said a former undercover narcotics officer detective in Chicago who exposed a corruption scheme that has led to dozens of overturned convictions. “I’m an officer without a department. I lost my house, I lost my marriage. It affects you in ways you would never imagine.”    

https://www.usatoday.com/story/story-series/2021/11/15/cops-risk-their-jobs-when-they-report-colleagues-misconduct/6355677001/

I’m not saying it’s easy to be a whistleblower ina department.
But as I see it, there’s 2 ways this went down.
1) The cop that took the initial report was also part of the investigation. He continued to work closely with and train at least some of the deputies he was investigating. They were aware they were being investigated. One of those cops convinced 3 others who had nothing to do with the investigation to go along with beating him to death.
2) He took the initial report. The report was passed on to the investigation team and he had no further involvement. This was an accident as reported by the coroner.

Both I guess are possible, but option 2 seems much more likely. Especially when the only evidence for #1 is the word of a lawyer suing the department. I’ve seen nothing that suggests his involvement was beyond taking the initial report, other than the statement from the attorney. Seems unlikely the cop taking the initial report, who’s only been on a few years and is doing tactical trainings is also part of the internal investigation team. Just isn’t adding up to me. It’s not just 1 murderous cop in this story, he had to convince 3 others to go along with it and a coroner if I want to believe this.

It’s not four murderous cops. It’s four raping cops who have motive.

Cropduster-80

In any context why are they getting the benefit of the doubt here?

cops will do whatever to protect themselves especially when getting caught means jail.
if a cop has to choose between getting arrested and going after another cop the choice seems clear to me 

It’s entirely plausible and probable that’s exactly what happened.

did they try to murder him? Maybe not. That doesn’t mean intimidation or teaching him a lesson wasn’t the goal and he died 

there is no situation where he could go after a cop and the cop ignores it and doesn’t get his buddies to do something about it. None. That doesn’t happen 

the additional information you want from is going to be coming from the police department so hardly objective. They are investigating themselves 

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

I’m sure there’ll be a significant response from the Blue Lives Matter crowd over this, right? 

“Those who enforce this code – the blue wall of silence – have stuffed dead rats and feces into fellow officers’ lockers. They’ve issued death threats, ignored requests for backup, threatened family members and planted drugs on the officers who reported misconduct.  

Department leaders often condone these reprisals or pile on by launching internal investigations to discredit those who expose wrongdoing. Whistleblowers have been fired, jailed and in a least one case, forcibly admitted to a psychiatric ward. “

I would imagine their “supporters” in the general public are ok with it as long as they police the communities they want them to police and keep the corruption from affecting their daily lives. 

these are not isolated incidents.  It’s engrained in police culture 


It goes on to say 

In South Carolina, an officer leaked the fact that fellow deputies beat a prisoner who later died in custody. In Florida, a detective reported a captain who had impregnated a 16-year-old girl and then paid for the abortion. In Oregon, a sergeant complained that a co-worker bragged about killing an unarmed teenager.    

After speaking out, all of them were forced out of their departments and were branded traitors by their fellow officers.    

“Whistleblowing is a life sentence,” said a former undercover narcotics officer detective in Chicago who exposed a corruption scheme that has led to dozens of overturned convictions. “I’m an officer without a department. I lost my house, I lost my marriage. It affects you in ways you would never imagine.”    

https://www.usatoday.com/story/story-series/2021/11/15/cops-risk-their-jobs-when-they-report-colleagues-misconduct/6355677001/

I’m not saying it’s easy to be a whistleblower ina department.
But as I see it, there’s 2 ways this went down.
1) The cop that took the initial report was also part of the investigation. He continued to work closely with and train at least some of the deputies he was investigating. They were aware they were being investigated. One of those cops convinced 3 others who had nothing to do with the investigation to go along with beating him to death.
2) He took the initial report. The report was passed on to the investigation team and he had no further involvement. This was an accident as reported by the coroner.

Both I guess are possible, but option 2 seems much more likely. Especially when the only evidence for #1 is the word of a lawyer suing the department. I’ve seen nothing that suggests his involvement was beyond taking the initial report, other than the statement from the attorney. Seems unlikely the cop taking the initial report, who’s only been on a few years and is doing tactical trainings is also part of the internal investigation team. Just isn’t adding up to me. It’s not just 1 murderous cop in this story, he had to convince 3 others to go along with it and a coroner if I want to believe this.

It’s not four murderous cops. It’s four raping cops who have motive.

But didn’t it say they’re accusing the cop of beating the other one to death during a training exercise involving 4 cops? They all would have to be in on it to let him beat the other one to death. It wasn’t just the 2 of them.

mace1229

Cropduster-80 said:

In any context why are they getting the benefit of the doubt here?

cops will do whatever to protect themselves especially when getting caught means jail.
if a cop has to choose between getting arrested and going after another cop the choice seems clear to me 

It’s entirely plausible and probable that’s exactly what happened.

did they try to murder him? Maybe not. That doesn’t mean intimidation or teaching him a lesson wasn’t the goal and he died 

there is no situation where he could go after a cop and the cop ignores it and doesn’t get his buddies to do something about it. None. That doesn’t happen period 

the additional information you want from is going to be coming from the police department so hardly objective. They are investigating themselves 

Even if this is all true, you’re still missing a big hole in the story to me. From the 3 articles I read, they all said this cop took the initial report. Nothing about being part of the investigation. He wasn’t an internal investigation cop. Sounds like someone called it with a complaint, he took the statements and passed it on. I doubt he had anything to do with it after that. Doesn’t sound like he had any direct knowledge of the incident. So there would be no motive.
The only person saying he was part of the investigation is the attorney. But that doesn’t make sense. You don’t call the police, file a report and have the same cop taking the report start the investigation. There’s a department for that. Especially for internal investigations.
Its not adding up to me. And I’m not saying no cop would do this. But the majority aren’t willing to murder other cops.. 

Cropduster-80

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

I’m sure there’ll be a significant response from the Blue Lives Matter crowd over this, right? 

“Those who enforce this code – the blue wall of silence – have stuffed dead rats and feces into fellow officers’ lockers. They’ve issued death threats, ignored requests for backup, threatened family members and planted drugs on the officers who reported misconduct.  

Department leaders often condone these reprisals or pile on by launching internal investigations to discredit those who expose wrongdoing. Whistleblowers have been fired, jailed and in a least one case, forcibly admitted to a psychiatric ward. “

I would imagine their “supporters” in the general public are ok with it as long as they police the communities they want them to police and keep the corruption from affecting their daily lives. 

these are not isolated incidents.  It’s engrained in police culture 


It goes on to say 

In South Carolina, an officer leaked the fact that fellow deputies beat a prisoner who later died in custody. In Florida, a detective reported a captain who had impregnated a 16-year-old girl and then paid for the abortion. In Oregon, a sergeant complained that a co-worker bragged about killing an unarmed teenager.    

After speaking out, all of them were forced out of their departments and were branded traitors by their fellow officers.    

“Whistleblowing is a life sentence,” said a former undercover narcotics officer detective in Chicago who exposed a corruption scheme that has led to dozens of overturned convictions. “I’m an officer without a department. I lost my house, I lost my marriage. It affects you in ways you would never imagine.”    

https://www.usatoday.com/story/story-series/2021/11/15/cops-risk-their-jobs-when-they-report-colleagues-misconduct/6355677001/

I’m not saying it’s easy to be a whistleblower ina department.
But as I see it, there’s 2 ways this went down.
1) The cop that took the initial report was also part of the investigation. He continued to work closely with and train at least some of the deputies he was investigating. They were aware they were being investigated. One of those cops convinced 3 others who had nothing to do with the investigation to go along with beating him to death.
2) He took the initial report. The report was passed on to the investigation team and he had no further involvement. This was an accident as reported by the coroner.

Both I guess are possible, but option 2 seems much more likely. Especially when the only evidence for #1 is the word of a lawyer suing the department. I’ve seen nothing that suggests his involvement was beyond taking the initial report, other than the statement from the attorney. Seems unlikely the cop taking the initial report, who’s only been on a few years and is doing tactical trainings is also part of the internal investigation team. Just isn’t adding up to me. It’s not just 1 murderous cop in this story, he had to convince 3 others to go along with it and a coroner if I want to believe this.

It’s not four murderous cops. It’s four raping cops who have motive.

But didn’t it say they’re accusing the cop of beating the other one to death during a training exercise involving 4 cops? They all would have to be in on it to let him beat the other one to death. It wasn’t just the 2 of them.

3 cops watched George Floyd being murdered. None of them stopped it. They didn’t kill him personally but they are certainly guilty of their roles.  The other cops there could be involved or could not be. They probably won’t talk anyway if they do it’ll be to back up whatever the cop who beat the other cop  says …. Because, look at the other guy 

Merkin Baller

I think “intimidation gone awry” is a much more likely scenario than the 4 cops agreeing in advance to murder another cop. 

Cropduster-80

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

In any context why are they getting the benefit of the doubt here?

cops will do whatever to protect themselves especially when getting caught means jail.
if a cop has to choose between getting arrested and going after another cop the choice seems clear to me 

It’s entirely plausible and probable that’s exactly what happened.

did they try to murder him? Maybe not. That doesn’t mean intimidation or teaching him a lesson wasn’t the goal and he died 

there is no situation where he could go after a cop and the cop ignores it and doesn’t get his buddies to do something about it. None. That doesn’t happen period 

the additional information you want from is going to be coming from the police department so hardly objective. They are investigating themselves 

Even if this is all true, you’re still missing a big hole in the story to me. From the 3 articles I read, they all said this cop took the initial report. Nothing about being part of the investigation. He wasn’t an internal investigation cop. Sounds like someone called it with a complaint, he took the statements and passed it on. I doubt he had anything to do with it after that. Doesn’t sound like he had any direct knowledge of the incident. So there would be no motive.
The only person saying he was part of the investigation is the attorney. But that doesn’t make sense. You don’t call the police, file a report and have the same cop taking the report start the investigation. There’s a department for that. Especially for internal investigations.
It’s not adding up to me. And I’m not saying no cop would do this. But the majority aren’t willing to murder other cops.. 

if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it’s probably a duck 

It would be like if someone flew a passenger plane into sky scraper and you saying it was probably a mechanical issue. Based on context and history it probably wasn’t, and I doubt you would say that.

you may be right, but automatically coming at this from an assumption nothing wrong happened isn’t warranted based on a lot of reasons.  If it’s not this it’ll be something else tomorrow. It just makes it easier to sweep police corruption under the rug because so many people don’t want to believe it happens and excuse this crap all the time. 

You don’t have a presumption of innocence until a trial.  Before that, you are a suspect until you aren’t. 

If a cop investigates you for anything it’s because they think you did something wrong, not because they think you are innocent. Same thing here. This guy is a suspect and should be treated as such 

mace1229

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

In any context why are they getting the benefit of the doubt here?

cops will do whatever to protect themselves especially when getting caught means jail.
if a cop has to choose between getting arrested and going after another cop the choice seems clear to me 

It’s entirely plausible and probable that’s exactly what happened.

did they try to murder him? Maybe not. That doesn’t mean intimidation or teaching him a lesson wasn’t the goal and he died 

there is no situation where he could go after a cop and the cop ignores it and doesn’t get his buddies to do something about it. None. That doesn’t happen period 

the additional information you want from is going to be coming from the police department so hardly objective. They are investigating themselves 

Even if this is all true, you’re still missing a big hole in the story to me. From the 3 articles I read, they all said this cop took the initial report. Nothing about being part of the investigation. He wasn’t an internal investigation cop. Sounds like someone called it with a complaint, he took the statements and passed it on. I doubt he had anything to do with it after that. Doesn’t sound like he had any direct knowledge of the incident. So there would be no motive.
The only person saying he was part of the investigation is the attorney. But that doesn’t make sense. You don’t call the police, file a report and have the same cop taking the report start the investigation. There’s a department for that. Especially for internal investigations.
It’s not adding up to me. And I’m not saying no cop would do this. But the majority aren’t willing to murder other cops.. 

if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it’s probably a duck 

It would be like if someone flew a passenger plane into sky scraper and you saying it was probably a mechanical issue. Based on context and history it probably wasn’t, and I doubt you would say that.

you may be right, but automatically coming at this from an assumption nothing wrong happened isn’t warranted based on a lot of reasons.  If it’s not this it’ll be something else tomorrow. It just makes it easier to sweep police corruption under the rug because so many people don’t want to believe it happens and excuse this crap all the time. 

You don’t have a presumption of innocence until a trial.  Before that, you are a suspect until you aren’t. 

If a cop investigates you for anything it’s because they think you did something wrong, not because they think you are innocent. Same thing here. This guy is a suspect and should be treated as such 

It’s not walking or talking like a duck.
i see zero, other than the word of an attorney suing the department, that points to assault/murder here.
You asked what context do they deserve the benefit of the doubt. I would ask why are they guilty until proven innocent? There is literally nothing aside from accusations from the family in a lawsuit that supports any intentional act. Common sense doesn’t back it up either. There would be major flaws in policy if you investigate someone and continue to work and train with them. Those part of an investigation team usually don’t lead tactical training exercises. So that’s why I’m questioning it and not jumping to guilty until proven innocent.

I didn’t automatically come with an assumption of nothing wrong. 

I first asked where the info came from as I didn’t see the same info in any articles I read and I wanted to see what the sources were. That’s how I learned the only source is the attorney. Had that turned out different, if there was any confirmation whatsoever that he was an investigator, I might have a different opinion. I had pretty much no opinion when I asked that question.
But based on what I know as of now, the accident story seems more likely to me. It he wasn’t an investigator then there’s no motive. And doesn’t seem like he’s some internal affairs investigator about to bring this operation down.

Halifax2TheMax

Yea, I suppose this history in the context of what eventually happened to Officer Tipping couldn’t possibly lend itself to motive. Naaa, just an unfortunate accident because those happen all the time and there’s no such thing as the Blue Wall of Silence. Naaa, just a little whoopsie.

https://meaww.com/houston-tipping-whistleblower-got-sergeant-fired-over-fellow-cop-bringing-chocolate-penis-to-work

Chocolate penises brought to the work place, colleagues accused of rape, officer having a whoopsie, just a normal day in law enforcement. Nothing to see here.

Cropduster-80

I doubt the full story will ever come out, that’s unfortunate but happens all the time.  

Cropduster-80

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yea, I suppose this history in the context of what eventually happened to Officer Tipping couldn’t possibly lend itself to motive. Naaa, just an unfortunate accident because those happen all the time and there’s no such thing as the Blue Wall of Silence. Naaa, just a little whoopsie.

https://meaww.com/houston-tipping-whistleblower-got-sergeant-fired-over-fellow-cop-bringing-chocolate-penis-to-work

Chocolate penises brought to the work place, colleagues accused of rape, officer having a whoopsie, just a normal day in law enforcement. Nothing to see here.

A history of whistleblowing or a history of causing trouble? That’s how that plays. It’s victim blaming 

no way he didn’t have a huge target on him. I’m sure everyone hated him for basically doing the right thing.

Him dying is the biggest coincidence ever if it was an accident.  

Merkin Baller

Cropduster-80 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yea, I suppose this history in the context of what eventually happened to Officer Tipping couldn’t possibly lend itself to motive. Naaa, just an unfortunate accident because those happen all the time and there’s no such thing as the Blue Wall of Silence. Naaa, just a little whoopsie.

https://meaww.com/houston-tipping-whistleblower-got-sergeant-fired-over-fellow-cop-bringing-chocolate-penis-to-work

Chocolate penises brought to the work place, colleagues accused of rape, officer having a whoopsie, just a normal day in law enforcement. Nothing to see here.

A history of whistleblowing or a history of causing trouble? That’s how that plays. It’s victim blaming 

no way he didn’t have a huge target on him. I’m sure everyone hated him for basically doing the right thing.

Him dying is the biggest coincidence ever if it was an accident.  

Coincidence…. Accident… either works.  

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

In any context why are they getting the benefit of the doubt here?

cops will do whatever to protect themselves especially when getting caught means jail.
if a cop has to choose between getting arrested and going after another cop the choice seems clear to me 

It’s entirely plausible and probable that’s exactly what happened.

did they try to murder him? Maybe not. That doesn’t mean intimidation or teaching him a lesson wasn’t the goal and he died 

there is no situation where he could go after a cop and the cop ignores it and doesn’t get his buddies to do something about it. None. That doesn’t happen period 

the additional information you want from is going to be coming from the police department so hardly objective. They are investigating themselves 

Even if this is all true, you’re still missing a big hole in the story to me. From the 3 articles I read, they all said this cop took the initial report. Nothing about being part of the investigation. He wasn’t an internal investigation cop. Sounds like someone called it with a complaint, he took the statements and passed it on. I doubt he had anything to do with it after that. Doesn’t sound like he had any direct knowledge of the incident. So there would be no motive.
The only person saying he was part of the investigation is the attorney. But that doesn’t make sense. You don’t call the police, file a report and have the same cop taking the report start the investigation. There’s a department for that. Especially for internal investigations.
It’s not adding up to me. And I’m not saying no cop would do this. But the majority aren’t willing to murder other cops.. 

if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it’s probably a duck 

It would be like if someone flew a passenger plane into sky scraper and you saying it was probably a mechanical issue. Based on context and history it probably wasn’t, and I doubt you would say that.

you may be right, but automatically coming at this from an assumption nothing wrong happened isn’t warranted based on a lot of reasons.  If it’s not this it’ll be something else tomorrow. It just makes it easier to sweep police corruption under the rug because so many people don’t want to believe it happens and excuse this crap all the time. 

You don’t have a presumption of innocence until a trial.  Before that, you are a suspect until you aren’t. 

If a cop investigates you for anything it’s because they think you did something wrong, not because they think you are innocent. Same thing here. This guy is a suspect and should be treated as such 

It’s not walking or talking like a duck.
i see zero, other than the word of an attorney suing the department, that points to assault/murder here.
You asked what context do they deserve the benefit of the doubt. I would ask why are they guilty until proven innocent? There is literally nothing aside from accusations from the family in a lawsuit that supports any intentional act. Common sense doesn’t back it up either. There would be major flaws in policy if you investigate someone and continue to work and train with them. Those part of an investigation team usually don’t lead tactical training exercises. So that’s why I’m questioning it and not jumping to guilty until proven innocent.

I didn’t automatically come with an assumption of nothing wrong. 

I first asked where the info came from as I didn’t see the same info in any articles I read and I wanted to see what the sources were. That’s how I learned the only source is the attorney. Had that turned out different, if there was any confirmation whatsoever that he was an investigator, I might have a different opinion. I had pretty much no opinion when I asked that question.
But based on what I know as of now, the accident story seems more likely to me. It he wasn’t an investigator then there’s no motive. And doesn’t seem like he’s some internal affairs investigator about to bring this operation down.

I don't disagree with you...definitely need more info

But a young healthy guy dying during training is suspect as hell. I agree he likely just took the report but if someone internally wanted to wipe this incident off the record he would be part of that record.

Merkin Baller

I'm also in agreement that more information is needed... but I'm sure as shit not inclined to give the LAPD the benefit of the doubt in the absence of more info. Do I think they intended to murder him from the onset? No, but the idea that they could have intended to intimidate him doesn't strain credulity. 

The fact alone that these officers were in this training exercise together seems odd, to say the least. 

Gern Blansten

Haven't you people seen Training Day?