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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,916

    If they rule for plaintiffs, Biden and the blue states should all sign EOs they will no longer follow Marbury


    Exact same principle, that power not listed in constitution 
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited July 2022

    If they rule for plaintiffs, Biden and the blue states should all sign EOs they will no longer follow Marbury


    Exact same principle, that power not listed in constitution 
    We are about at the point where states will ignore federal law.  Think legal pot, just on a large scale.

    depending on what party has the presidency and the enforcement mechanism you are going to get alternating red and blue america ignoring federal law and getting away with it. 

    Add that to states trying to regulate the activities of other states (abortion and suing people in states where it’s legal) and we are very close to a complete breakdown in being able to function as a country 

    A Supreme Court decision upholding a law, overturning a law, or ruling on any constitutional right  is meaningless if it rules against a blue state and a blue president isn’t going to enforce it or against a red state with a red president 

    Federalising the national guard to enforce civil rights law of the 60’s as a historical example, that I can see as being totally normal when the party of the president changes over going forward 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,455

     
    Supreme Court takes up key voting rights case from Alabama
    By MARK SHERMAN
    2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court is taking up an Alabama redistricting case that could have far-reaching effects on minority voting power across the United States.

    The justices are hearing arguments Tuesday in the latest high-court showdown over the federal Voting Rights Act, lawsuits seeking to force Alabama to create a second Black majority congressional district. About 27% of Alabamians are Black, but they form a majority in just one of the state’s seven congressional districts.

    The court’s conservatives, in a 5-4 vote in February, blocked a lower court ruling that would have required a second Black majority district in time for the 2022 midterm elections.

    A similar ruling to create an additional Black majority district in Louisiana also was put on hold.

    Conservative high-court majorities have made it harder for racial minorities to use the Voting Rights Act in ideologically divided rulings in 2013 and 2021. A ruling for the state in the new case could weaken another powerful tool civil rights groups and minority voters have used to challenge racial discrimination in redistricting.

    The case also has an overlay of partisan politics. Republicans who dominate elective office in Alabama have been resistant to creating a second district with a Democratic-leaning Black majority that could send another Democrat to Congress.

    Two appointees of President Donald Trump were on the three-judge panel that unanimously held that Alabama likely violated the landmark 1965 law by diluting Black voting strength.

    The judges found that Alabama has concentrated Black voters in one district, while spreading them out among the others to make it impossible for them to elect a candidate of their choice.

    Alabama's Black population is large enough and geographically compact enough to create a second district, the judges found.

    The state argues that the lower court ruling would force it to sort voters by race, insisting that it is taking a “race neutral” approach to redistricting.

    That argument could resonate with conservative justices, including Chief Justice John Roberts. He has opposed most consideration of race in voting both as a justice and in his time as a lawyer in Republican presidential administrations.

    Tuesday's arguments are the first Supreme Court case involving race for Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, the first Black female justice.

    A challenge to affirmative action in college admissions is set for arguments on Oct. 31.


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  • stuckinline
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    WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawyers for former President Donald Trump asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to step into the legal fight over the classified documents seized during an FBI search of his Florida estate.

    The Trump team asked the court to overturn a lower court ruling and permit an independent arbiter, or special master, to review the roughly 100 documents with classified markings that were taken in the Aug. 8 search.


    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mar-a-lago-supreme-court_n_633c9182e4b04cf8f367880e
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,642

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawyers for former President Donald Trump asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to step into the legal fight over the classified documents seized during an FBI search of his Florida estate.

    The Trump team asked the court to overturn a lower court ruling and permit an independent arbiter, or special master, to review the roughly 100 documents with classified markings that were taken in the Aug. 8 search.


    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mar-a-lago-supreme-court_n_633c9182e4b04cf8f367880e
    Time for the judges to repay Orange godfather! 
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawyers for former President Donald Trump asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to step into the legal fight over the classified documents seized during an FBI search of his Florida estate.

    The Trump team asked the court to overturn a lower court ruling and permit an independent arbiter, or special master, to review the roughly 100 documents with classified markings that were taken in the Aug. 8 search.


    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mar-a-lago-supreme-court_n_633c9182e4b04cf8f367880e
    Time for the judges to repay Orange godfather! 
    yep. this is why he appointed them.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawyers for former President Donald Trump asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to step into the legal fight over the classified documents seized during an FBI search of his Florida estate.

    The Trump team asked the court to overturn a lower court ruling and permit an independent arbiter, or special master, to review the roughly 100 documents with classified markings that were taken in the Aug. 8 search.


    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mar-a-lago-supreme-court_n_633c9182e4b04cf8f367880e
    Time for the judges to repay Orange godfather! 
    Negative.  There is so much misunderstanding about this case.  

    What is requested to go to the SCOTUS is the appeal of the 9th circuit's unanimous ruling that the classified documents may NOT be reviewed by the special master.  The DOJ already won on the merits that documents from the executive branch cannot be privileged against itself (the DOJ is in the exec branch).  The DOJ had originally filed a very limited appeal of Judge Cannon's order, and they won and the Trump team was slapped down by the 3 judge appeals court. 

    So after that happened, Judge Cannon, on a technicality, instructed the special master to continue sorting the documents.  The DOJ said "fine, you are going to do that, we will file a much broader appeal against your ENTIRE ruling that you could even appoint a special master.  There are two reasons for this:
    1. Equitable jurisdiction - the DOJ is arguing that Cannon had no jurisdiction on this case.  
    2. Richey - there is a precedent that a target of a criminal investigation cannot file civil litigation against law enforcement to delay the criminal case.  That's what Trump is doing here.  

    The 9th Circuit already signaled that it completely disagreed with Cannon and they have little chance to prevail. This is why the Trump legal team is trying to go to the SCOTUS, because they will get smoked by the 9th.  But the reality is that the SCOTUS should not take this case.  It does not involve litigation between the states, it's not a split decision and it is not unsettled or contradictory law coming from two different circuits. 

    There's an old legal saying.. "When you don't have the law, you argue the facts.  When you don't have the facts, you argue the law.  When you don't have either, you delay.".  Trump is delaying.  
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,642
    mrussel1 said:

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawyers for former President Donald Trump asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to step into the legal fight over the classified documents seized during an FBI search of his Florida estate.

    The Trump team asked the court to overturn a lower court ruling and permit an independent arbiter, or special master, to review the roughly 100 documents with classified markings that were taken in the Aug. 8 search.


    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mar-a-lago-supreme-court_n_633c9182e4b04cf8f367880e
    Time for the judges to repay Orange godfather! 
    Negative.  There is so much misunderstanding about this case.  

    What is requested to go to the SCOTUS is the appeal of the 9th circuit's unanimous ruling that the classified documents may NOT be reviewed by the special master.  The DOJ already won on the merits that documents from the executive branch cannot be privileged against itself (the DOJ is in the exec branch).  The DOJ had originally filed a very limited appeal of Judge Cannon's order, and they won and the Trump team was slapped down by the 3 judge appeals court. 

    So after that happened, Judge Cannon, on a technicality, instructed the special master to continue sorting the documents.  The DOJ said "fine, you are going to do that, we will file a much broader appeal against your ENTIRE ruling that you could even appoint a special master.  There are two reasons for this:
    1. Equitable jurisdiction - the DOJ is arguing that Cannon had no jurisdiction on this case.  
    2. Richey - there is a precedent that a target of a criminal investigation cannot file civil litigation against law enforcement to delay the criminal case.  That's what Trump is doing here.  

    The 9th Circuit already signaled that it completely disagreed with Cannon and they have little chance to prevail. This is why the Trump legal team is trying to go to the SCOTUS, because they will get smoked by the 9th.  But the reality is that the SCOTUS should not take this case.  It does not involve litigation between the states, it's not a split decision and it is not unsettled or contradictory law coming from two different circuits. 

    There's an old legal saying.. "When you don't have the law, you argue the facts.  When you don't have the facts, you argue the law.  When you don't have either, you delay.".  Trump is delaying.  
    I understand but I just don’t trust this body of SCOTUS!
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    mrussel1 said:

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawyers for former President Donald Trump asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to step into the legal fight over the classified documents seized during an FBI search of his Florida estate.

    The Trump team asked the court to overturn a lower court ruling and permit an independent arbiter, or special master, to review the roughly 100 documents with classified markings that were taken in the Aug. 8 search.


    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mar-a-lago-supreme-court_n_633c9182e4b04cf8f367880e
    Time for the judges to repay Orange godfather! 
    Negative.  There is so much misunderstanding about this case.  

    What is requested to go to the SCOTUS is the appeal of the 9th circuit's unanimous ruling that the classified documents may NOT be reviewed by the special master.  The DOJ already won on the merits that documents from the executive branch cannot be privileged against itself (the DOJ is in the exec branch).  The DOJ had originally filed a very limited appeal of Judge Cannon's order, and they won and the Trump team was slapped down by the 3 judge appeals court. 

    So after that happened, Judge Cannon, on a technicality, instructed the special master to continue sorting the documents.  The DOJ said "fine, you are going to do that, we will file a much broader appeal against your ENTIRE ruling that you could even appoint a special master.  There are two reasons for this:
    1. Equitable jurisdiction - the DOJ is arguing that Cannon had no jurisdiction on this case.  
    2. Richey - there is a precedent that a target of a criminal investigation cannot file civil litigation against law enforcement to delay the criminal case.  That's what Trump is doing here.  

    The 9th Circuit already signaled that it completely disagreed with Cannon and they have little chance to prevail. This is why the Trump legal team is trying to go to the SCOTUS, because they will get smoked by the 9th.  But the reality is that the SCOTUS should not take this case.  It does not involve litigation between the states, it's not a split decision and it is not unsettled or contradictory law coming from two different circuits. 

    There's an old legal saying.. "When you don't have the law, you argue the facts.  When you don't have the facts, you argue the law.  When you don't have either, you delay.".  Trump is delaying.  
    I understand but I just don’t trust this body of SCOTUS!
    Okay, but the issue is very minor.  Even if they ruled that the SM could continue, it is just going to delay not absolve, pardon or otherwise clear Trump. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,455
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawyers for former President Donald Trump asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to step into the legal fight over the classified documents seized during an FBI search of his Florida estate.

    The Trump team asked the court to overturn a lower court ruling and permit an independent arbiter, or special master, to review the roughly 100 documents with classified markings that were taken in the Aug. 8 search.


    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mar-a-lago-supreme-court_n_633c9182e4b04cf8f367880e
    Time for the judges to repay Orange godfather! 
    Negative.  There is so much misunderstanding about this case.  

    What is requested to go to the SCOTUS is the appeal of the 9th circuit's unanimous ruling that the classified documents may NOT be reviewed by the special master.  The DOJ already won on the merits that documents from the executive branch cannot be privileged against itself (the DOJ is in the exec branch).  The DOJ had originally filed a very limited appeal of Judge Cannon's order, and they won and the Trump team was slapped down by the 3 judge appeals court. 

    So after that happened, Judge Cannon, on a technicality, instructed the special master to continue sorting the documents.  The DOJ said "fine, you are going to do that, we will file a much broader appeal against your ENTIRE ruling that you could even appoint a special master.  There are two reasons for this:
    1. Equitable jurisdiction - the DOJ is arguing that Cannon had no jurisdiction on this case.  
    2. Richey - there is a precedent that a target of a criminal investigation cannot file civil litigation against law enforcement to delay the criminal case.  That's what Trump is doing here.  

    The 9th Circuit already signaled that it completely disagreed with Cannon and they have little chance to prevail. This is why the Trump legal team is trying to go to the SCOTUS, because they will get smoked by the 9th.  But the reality is that the SCOTUS should not take this case.  It does not involve litigation between the states, it's not a split decision and it is not unsettled or contradictory law coming from two different circuits. 

    There's an old legal saying.. "When you don't have the law, you argue the facts.  When you don't have the facts, you argue the law.  When you don't have either, you delay.".  Trump is delaying.  
    I understand but I just don’t trust this body of SCOTUS!
    Okay, but the issue is very minor.  Even if they ruled that the SM could continue, it is just going to delay not absolve, pardon or otherwise clear Trump. 

    exactly. the elephant in the room is the possession of government property AND theft by a no longer authorized person to even see those documents much less have them.

    storage dispute, my ass.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,642
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawyers for former President Donald Trump asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to step into the legal fight over the classified documents seized during an FBI search of his Florida estate.

    The Trump team asked the court to overturn a lower court ruling and permit an independent arbiter, or special master, to review the roughly 100 documents with classified markings that were taken in the Aug. 8 search.


    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mar-a-lago-supreme-court_n_633c9182e4b04cf8f367880e
    Time for the judges to repay Orange godfather! 
    Negative.  There is so much misunderstanding about this case.  

    What is requested to go to the SCOTUS is the appeal of the 9th circuit's unanimous ruling that the classified documents may NOT be reviewed by the special master.  The DOJ already won on the merits that documents from the executive branch cannot be privileged against itself (the DOJ is in the exec branch).  The DOJ had originally filed a very limited appeal of Judge Cannon's order, and they won and the Trump team was slapped down by the 3 judge appeals court. 

    So after that happened, Judge Cannon, on a technicality, instructed the special master to continue sorting the documents.  The DOJ said "fine, you are going to do that, we will file a much broader appeal against your ENTIRE ruling that you could even appoint a special master.  There are two reasons for this:
    1. Equitable jurisdiction - the DOJ is arguing that Cannon had no jurisdiction on this case.  
    2. Richey - there is a precedent that a target of a criminal investigation cannot file civil litigation against law enforcement to delay the criminal case.  That's what Trump is doing here.  

    The 9th Circuit already signaled that it completely disagreed with Cannon and they have little chance to prevail. This is why the Trump legal team is trying to go to the SCOTUS, because they will get smoked by the 9th.  But the reality is that the SCOTUS should not take this case.  It does not involve litigation between the states, it's not a split decision and it is not unsettled or contradictory law coming from two different circuits. 

    There's an old legal saying.. "When you don't have the law, you argue the facts.  When you don't have the facts, you argue the law.  When you don't have either, you delay.".  Trump is delaying.  
    I understand but I just don’t trust this body of SCOTUS!
    Okay, but the issue is very minor.  Even if they ruled that the SM could continue, it is just going to delay not absolve, pardon or otherwise clear Trump. 
    We shall see! It’s pathetic that it even is a ? 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawyers for former President Donald Trump asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to step into the legal fight over the classified documents seized during an FBI search of his Florida estate.

    The Trump team asked the court to overturn a lower court ruling and permit an independent arbiter, or special master, to review the roughly 100 documents with classified markings that were taken in the Aug. 8 search.


    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mar-a-lago-supreme-court_n_633c9182e4b04cf8f367880e
    Time for the judges to repay Orange godfather! 
    Negative.  There is so much misunderstanding about this case.  

    What is requested to go to the SCOTUS is the appeal of the 9th circuit's unanimous ruling that the classified documents may NOT be reviewed by the special master.  The DOJ already won on the merits that documents from the executive branch cannot be privileged against itself (the DOJ is in the exec branch).  The DOJ had originally filed a very limited appeal of Judge Cannon's order, and they won and the Trump team was slapped down by the 3 judge appeals court. 

    So after that happened, Judge Cannon, on a technicality, instructed the special master to continue sorting the documents.  The DOJ said "fine, you are going to do that, we will file a much broader appeal against your ENTIRE ruling that you could even appoint a special master.  There are two reasons for this:
    1. Equitable jurisdiction - the DOJ is arguing that Cannon had no jurisdiction on this case.  
    2. Richey - there is a precedent that a target of a criminal investigation cannot file civil litigation against law enforcement to delay the criminal case.  That's what Trump is doing here.  

    The 9th Circuit already signaled that it completely disagreed with Cannon and they have little chance to prevail. This is why the Trump legal team is trying to go to the SCOTUS, because they will get smoked by the 9th.  But the reality is that the SCOTUS should not take this case.  It does not involve litigation between the states, it's not a split decision and it is not unsettled or contradictory law coming from two different circuits. 

    There's an old legal saying.. "When you don't have the law, you argue the facts.  When you don't have the facts, you argue the law.  When you don't have either, you delay.".  Trump is delaying.  
    I understand but I just don’t trust this body of SCOTUS!
    Okay, but the issue is very minor.  Even if they ruled that the SM could continue, it is just going to delay not absolve, pardon or otherwise clear Trump. 
    We shall see! It’s pathetic that it even is a ? 
    It's not an actual question.  That's literally not even a question about this case.  This litigation is civil, not criminal. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,455
    Damn you Brandon.....


     
    Loud and clear: New Justice Jackson speaks volumes at bench
    By JESSICA GRESKO
    Today

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Ketanji Brown Jackson, the first Black woman on the Supreme Court and its newest justice, said before the term began that she was “ready to work.” She made that clear during arguments in the opening cases.

    The tally: 4,568 words spoken over nearly six hours this past week, about 50% more than any of the eight other justices, according to Adam Feldman, the creator of the Empirical SCOTUS blog.

    The justices as a whole are generally a talkative bunch, questioning lawyers in rapid succession. For now, Jackson's approach seems less like Justice Clarence Thomas, who once went 10 years without asking a question, and more like Justice Neil Gorsuch, who in his first year was one of the more active questioners.

    On Tuesday, in a case that could weaken the landmark Voting Rights Act, which sought to bar racial discrimination in voting, Jackson was particularly vocal.

    At one point, she spoke uninterrupted for more than three and a half minutes to lay out her understanding of the history of the post-Civil War 14th Amendment to the Constitution guaranteeing formerly enslaved people equal rights. Jackson's statement ran three transcript pages, the longest Feldman could remember ever seeing.

    “I can’t think of a time where you’ve seen a junior justice take hold of the arguments” to the same extent, Feldman said using the court’s shorthand title for the newest justice.

    A jurist with a liberal record, Jackson joined a court where conservatives hold a 6-3 advantage, so in many of the most most contentious cases her vote likely does not matter to the outcome. But her performance during arguments seemed to show she intends to make herself heard.

    “I have a seat at the table now and I’m ready to work,” she said last week at an appearance at the Library of Congress following her ceremonial investiture at the high court.

    In three of the four cases the court heard this past week, she was the most active speaker among the justices.

    Feldman said new justices usually sit back and take things in but “poke their heads up occasionally” to ask a question. “This was a different approach," he said.

    Monday was the court's opening day and Jackson's first on the Supreme Court bench. The justices were about five minutes into their questioning in what turned out to be a nearly two-hour argument in a dispute over the nation’s main anti-water pollution law when Jackson asked her first question; she was the fourth justice to do so.

    By the end of arguments, she had probed the meaning of the word “adjacent," asked whether a marsh in a 1985 case was “visually indistinguishable from the abutting creek" and prefaced another question by saying: "Let me try to bring some enlightenment to it by asking it this way."

    Jackson was confirmed in April but did not take her seat until the court began its summer recess in June, giving her months to study cases the court had granted. Other justices spent some of that time finalizing opinions in cases that included decisions overturning the landmark Roe v. Wade abortion rights case and expanding gun rights.

    Speaking at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in early April, days before Jackson was confirmed, Justice Amy Coney Barrett noted “fortunately there will be some lead time” for the new justice to ease into her role. Barrett, in contrast, heard her first arguments a week after she was confirmed. Justice Brett Kavanaugh was sworn in on a Saturday and heard his first argument the following Tuesday.

    Justices themselves have acknowledged it takes time to get used to sitting on the highest court in the land. Justice Elena Kagan once compared starting the job to “ drinking out of a fire hose ” with a learning curve that “is extremely steep, sometimes it seems vertical.” Some justices have said it takes five years to feel really comfortable in the role.

    In her Library of Congress appearance, Jackson talked about the attention on her as the first Black woman to be a justice. People approach her with “what I can only describe as a profound sense of pride and what feels to me like renewed ownership," she said.

    Their message to her is “in essence, ‘You go, girl,”’ Jackson said. “They're saying ‘Invisible no more. We see you and we are with you.’”

    ___

    Follow AP’s coverage of the Supreme Court at https://apnews.com/hub/us-supreme-court


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  • mrussel1
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    Shocking but oh so not shocking news.  SCOTUS rejects Trump's petition to allow special master review classified materials. This means it goes back to the entire 11th for a full review.  Since I got this prediction right, I'm going to predict that Trump and judge Cannon get shellacked by the Appellate court and soon enough there shall be no Special Master.  

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/13/supreme-court-trump-mar-a-lago-classified-documents/
  • Lerxst1992
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    Trump got the delay he wanted, and soon enough McCarthy will be speaker and Brandon will be impeached.
  • Trump got the delay he wanted, and soon enough McCarthy will be speaker and Brandon will be impeached.
    Brandon should ignore every request made by any repub committee. And call it a witch hunt.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,642
    Thomas to the rescue! 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,642
    Robert’s to the rescue! 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,122
    Robert’s to the rescue! 
    of course
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  • Has Ginny been subpoenaed and given testimony under oath? How’s about Clarence? Seems being on the highest court of the land, you wouldn’t have anything to hide, right?

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/clarence-thomas-trump-eastman-emails/index.html
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