Black Lives Matter

mickeyrat · August 2022

mickeyrat said:

https://apnews.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-trial-live-updates-53737c675d0e3e1a71992708cac54eb9

Arbery killers convicted of federal hate crimes in his death
By RUSS BYNUM
2 hours ago
BRUNSWICK, Ga. (AP) — The three white men convicted of murder in Ahmaud Arbery’s shooting were found guilty of federal hate crimes Tuesday in a verdict that affirmed what family members and civil rights activists said all along: that he was chased down and killed because he was Black.
The verdict — handed down one day before the second anniversary of Arbery’s death on Feb. 23, 2020 — was symbolic, coming just months after all three defendants were convicted of murder in a Georgia state court and sentenced to life in prison.
But family and community members viewed the hate crimes trial as an important statement. The case also became part of a larger national reckoning on racial injustice after graphic video of Arbery’s killing leaked online.
“Ahmaud will continue to rest in peace. But he will now begin to rest in power,” Arbery’s mother, Wanda Cooper-Jones, told reporters outside the courthouse.
Arbery’s father, Marcus Arbery Sr., bowed his head and shook his fists in quiet celebration as the guilty verdicts were read in the courtroom. He then pressed his hands together in front of his face as if saying a silent prayer.

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federal sentence handed down....

https://apnews.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-crime-georgia-race-and-ethnicity-racial-injustice-803abd74a4b8c4bc08cdc2f39b1d1a19

cblock4life · August 2022

Best part is the denial to serve their sentences in a federal prison. How can they seriously think that their safety and protection was important to anyone (other than POS) at this point?

mickeyrat · August 2022

https://apnews.com/article/shootings-breonna-taylor-louisville-merrick-garland-6dfa31e6b4d2d2609c2ae4edc0ab2ad4

Louisville Merrick Garland Shootings Breonna Taylor

Former Louisville cop pleads guilty in Breonna Taylor case

By DYLAN LOVAN

31 mins ago

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — A former Louisville police detective who helped write the warrant that led to the deadly police raid at Breonna Taylor's apartment has pleaded guilty to a federal conspiracy charge.

Federal investigators said Kelly Goodlett added a false line to the warrant and later conspired with another detective to create a cover story when Taylor's March 13, 2020, shooting death by police began gaining national attention.

Taylor, a 26-year-old Black woman, was shot to death by officers who knocked down her door while executing a drug search warrant. Taylor’s boyfriend fired a shot that hit one of the officers as they came through the door and they returned fire, striking Taylor multiple times.

Goodlett, 35, appeared in a federal courtroom in Louisville on Tuesday afternoon and admitted to conspiring with another Louisville police officer to falsify the warrant. Goodlett briefly answered several questions from federal judge Rebecca Jennings Grady.

Three former Louisville officers were indicted on criminal civil rights charges earlier this month by a federal grand jury. Goodlett was not indicted, but charged in a federal information filing, which likely means the former detective is cooperating with investigators.

Goodlett will be sentenced Nov. 22. Grady said there may be “extenuating circumstances” that may move the court to push back the sentencing date. Part of the plea hearing was also kept under seal and was not discussed in open court Tuesday. She faces up to five years in prison for the conviction.

She resigned from the department Aug. 5, a day after U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland announced new federal charges in the Taylor case.

Former officers Joshua Jaynes and Kyle Meany were indicted on charges related to the warrant used to search Taylor's home. A third former officer, Brett Hankison, was charged with using excessive force when he retreated from Taylor’s door, turned a corner and fired 10 shots into the side of her two-bedroom apartment. He was acquitted by a jury on similar state charges earlier this year. Jaynes, Meany and Hankison have all been fired.

The three former officers face a maximum sentence of life in prison if convicted on the civil rights charges.

cblock4life · August 2022

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/

going to post this on police abuse as well

tempo_n_groove · August 2022

cblock4life said:

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/

going to post this on police abuse as well

I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.

Cropduster-80 · August 2022

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/

going to post this on police abuse as well

I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.

I’m not so sure.

I’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.

the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.

Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently

the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed

you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse

cblock4life · August 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/

going to post this on police abuse as well

I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.

I’m not so sure.

I’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.

the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.

Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently

the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed

you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse

100% correct! Mental abuse, intimidation, fear, I guess those aren’t considered abuse by some but they are. Imagine being afraid just because of the color of your skin.

Cropduster-80 · August 2022

cblock4life said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/

going to post this on police abuse as well

I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.

I’m not so sure.

I’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.

the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.

Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently

the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed

you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse

100% correct! Mental abuse, intimidation, fear, I guess those aren’t considered abuse by some but they are. Imagine being afraid just because of the color of your skin.

White privilege is 100 percent real.

for all the perceived benefits the right wing likes to say minorities get, I wouldn’t change places for any amount of benefit.

if it’s so great not being white, why can’t I see anyone else willingly changing places either? That kind of proves the point. On one hand these people say it’s wonderful to be a minority and white people are the ones getting discriminated against based on affirmative action or whatever, on the other hand they are also relieved they aren’t one

yet admitting their privilege doesn’t happen nearly enough, if ever, the farther to the right you get

mace1229 · August 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/

going to post this on police abuse as well

I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.

I’m not so sure.

I’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.

the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.

Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently

the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed

you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse

So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.

Cropduster-80 · August 2022

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/

going to post this on police abuse as well

I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.

I’m not so sure.

I’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.

the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.

Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently

the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed

you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse

So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.

It’s two problems

1. The cops getting called at all
2. benefit of the doubt. That isn’t applied equally across races. It’s the assumption the guy is doing something wrong. If you think a black guy and a white guy gets the same treatment in the same situation consistently I’m not sure where you are living

ive refused to show ID to a cop before too. Based on principle. They knew they weren’t entitled to it based on the circumstances. They let it go. That doesn’t happen both ways consistently either. I absolutely play hardball in any interaction I’ve ever had with the police (it’s not a lot) but I’ve been in the right so I do it. I’ve declined a search of my vehicle before too. Not that I had anything to hide and they knew they couldn’t get a warrant. I’m fully aware of why I got away with being difficult or uncooperative. Probable cause sure seems harder to establish when you are white and allowing a fishing expedition just because they ask is not ok

HughFreakingDillon · August 2022

the point is, his rights were being violated by being asked to show ID. he was committing no crime, so he doesn't have to. the fact that they showed up while he was watering the plants and they STILL went ahead with this call is ridiculous. Do you really think:

a) the call would have been made had it been a white person?
b) the cops would have insisted on getting ID had it been a white person?

I'm going to say no to both.

mace1229 · August 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/

going to post this on police abuse as well

I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.

I’m not so sure.

I’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.

the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.

Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently

the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed

you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse

So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.

It’s two problems

1. The cops getting called at all
2. benefit of the doubt. That isn’t applied equally across races. It’s the assumption the guy is doing something wrong. If you think a black guy and a white guy gets the same treatment in the same situation consistently I’m not sure where you are living

ive refused to show ID to a cop before too. Based on principle. They knew they weren’t entitled to it based on the circumstances. They let it go. That doesn’t happen both ways consistently either

Maybe #1 is true, I don't know the neighbors and what made them call.

And #2 is true, I won't deny that. But you can't claim it when he doesn't cooperate. As I said, all it would have taken was to show his ID and I'm sure this would have been over in a couple minutes.
Likewise, the both times this happened to me, if I refused to cooperate or show my ID, I doubt they would have just walked away then either. You chose your own fate when the police are being polite, responding to a call they had nothing to do with and you don't cooperate.
Did you refuse to show ID after they were called on you? Circumstances may have been different for you.

Gern Blansten · August 2022

That's a tough one. I would likely just provide my ID as I want it to be over with.

I see a lot of TikTok videos of people being confronted, refusing to provide ID, demanding a supervisor show up, etc.

I understand the reasoning but it does turn a 5 minute confrontation into a 60 minute one.

The Juggler · August 2022

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/

going to post this on police abuse as well

I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.

I’m not so sure.

I’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.

the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.

Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently

the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed

you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse

So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.

It’s two problems

1. The cops getting called at all
2. benefit of the doubt. That isn’t applied equally across races. It’s the assumption the guy is doing something wrong. If you think a black guy and a white guy gets the same treatment in the same situation consistently I’m not sure where you are living

ive refused to show ID to a cop before too. Based on principle. They knew they weren’t entitled to it based on the circumstances. They let it go. That doesn’t happen both ways consistently either

Maybe #1 is true, I don't know the neighbors and what made them call.

And #2 is true, I won't deny that. But you can't claim it when he doesn't cooperate. As I said, all it would have taken was to show his ID and I'm sure this would have been over in a couple minutes.
Likewise, the both times this happened to me, if I refused to cooperate or show my ID, I doubt they would have just walked away then either. You chose your own fate when the police are being polite, responding to a call they had nothing to do with and you don't cooperate.
Did you refuse to show ID after they were called on you? Circumstances may have been different for you.

Going out on a limb here and suggesting Mr. Cropduster is not African American. lol. Therein lies the problem.

But, yeah, sure, who doesn't go an grab their wallet and ID to water their neighbor's yard? Give me a break.

Gern Blansten · August 2022

And it isn't unreasonable for the police to want to verify your identity in that situation. Are they just supposed to take his word for it?

HughFreakingDillon · August 2022

well, if watering plants in the middle of the day is suspicious and requires ID, arrest everybody!

Cropduster-80 · August 2022

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/

going to post this on police abuse as well

I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.

I’m not so sure.

I’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.

the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.

Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently

the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed

you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse

So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.

It’s two problems

1. The cops getting called at all
2. benefit of the doubt. That isn’t applied equally across races. It’s the assumption the guy is doing something wrong. If you think a black guy and a white guy gets the same treatment in the same situation consistently I’m not sure where you are living

ive refused to show ID to a cop before too. Based on principle. They knew they weren’t entitled to it based on the circumstances. They let it go. That doesn’t happen both ways consistently either

Maybe #1 is true, I don't know the neighbors and what made them call.

And #2 is true, I won't deny that. But you can't claim it when he doesn't cooperate. As I said, all it would have taken was to show his ID and I'm sure this would have been over in a couple minutes.
Likewise, the both times this happened to me, if I refused to cooperate or show my ID, I doubt they would have just walked away then either. You chose your own fate when the police are being polite, responding to a call they had nothing to do with and you don't cooperate.
Did you refuse to show ID after they were called on you? Circumstances may have been different for you.

Going out on a limb here and suggesting Mr. Cropduster is not African American. lol. Therein lies the problem.

But, yeah, sure, who doesn't go an grab their wallet and ID to water their neighbor's yard? Give me a break.

Off the top of my head, once in college I refused to show id walking near a bar.
once I was a passenger in a car pulled over for speeding. I declined.

once in the middle of the night I refused a car search driving through a small Texas town on my way somewhere else. I had out of state plates. No moving violation either. Stop was based on my plates. That was in Victoria Texas.

being black in any one of those situations had a way higher probably of turning bad

that’s all my police interactions I can think of. So that’s probably it. Minus the MIP of alcohol I got in college when I blew 0.00. My friends were drinking 😂

mace1229 · August 2022

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/

going to post this on police abuse as well

I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.

I’m not so sure.

I’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.

the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.

Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently

the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed

you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse

So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.

It’s two problems

1. The cops getting called at all
2. benefit of the doubt. That isn’t applied equally across races. It’s the assumption the guy is doing something wrong. If you think a black guy and a white guy gets the same treatment in the same situation consistently I’m not sure where you are living

ive refused to show ID to a cop before too. Based on principle. They knew they weren’t entitled to it based on the circumstances. They let it go. That doesn’t happen both ways consistently either

Maybe #1 is true, I don't know the neighbors and what made them call.

And #2 is true, I won't deny that. But you can't claim it when he doesn't cooperate. As I said, all it would have taken was to show his ID and I'm sure this would have been over in a couple minutes.
Likewise, the both times this happened to me, if I refused to cooperate or show my ID, I doubt they would have just walked away then either. You chose your own fate when the police are being polite, responding to a call they had nothing to do with and you don't cooperate.
Did you refuse to show ID after they were called on you? Circumstances may have been different for you.

Going out on a limb here and suggesting Mr. Cropduster is not African American. lol. Therein lies the problem.

But, yeah, sure, who doesn't go an grab their wallet and ID to water their neighbor's yard? Give me a break.

If he was willing to cooperate but just didn't have his ID that would be one thing. But from the reporter it sounded like he wasn't cooperating to me. He lived across the street, I'm sure if that was where his ID was and he was willing to get it to show them, one of the cops would have escorted him. It just sounds like he wasn't willing to cooperate, so it escalated.

Cropduster-80 · August 2022

mace1229 said:

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/

going to post this on police abuse as well

I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.

I’m not so sure.

I’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.

the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.

Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently

the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed

you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse

So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.

It’s two problems

1. The cops getting called at all
2. benefit of the doubt. That isn’t applied equally across races. It’s the assumption the guy is doing something wrong. If you think a black guy and a white guy gets the same treatment in the same situation consistently I’m not sure where you are living

ive refused to show ID to a cop before too. Based on principle. They knew they weren’t entitled to it based on the circumstances. They let it go. That doesn’t happen both ways consistently either

Maybe #1 is true, I don't know the neighbors and what made them call.

And #2 is true, I won't deny that. But you can't claim it when he doesn't cooperate. As I said, all it would have taken was to show his ID and I'm sure this would have been over in a couple minutes.
Likewise, the both times this happened to me, if I refused to cooperate or show my ID, I doubt they would have just walked away then either. You chose your own fate when the police are being polite, responding to a call they had nothing to do with and you don't cooperate.
Did you refuse to show ID after they were called on you? Circumstances may have been different for you.

Going out on a limb here and suggesting Mr. Cropduster is not African American. lol. Therein lies the problem.

But, yeah, sure, who doesn't go an grab their wallet and ID to water their neighbor's yard? Give me a break.

If he was willing to cooperate but just didn't have his ID that would be one thing. But from the reporter it sounded like he wasn't cooperating to me. He lived across the street, I'm sure if that was where his ID was and he was willing to get it to show them, one of the cops would have escorted him. It just sounds like he wasn't willing to cooperate, so it escalated.

Unless I’m being detained I’m not providing anything. Never, under no circumstances

Black or white, why is the expectation to comply with what often is an unlawful (or at a minimum) unreasonable request? not this case specifically, but generally

in this case trespassing is only a crime when enforced by the property owner. There was no crime. Unless the property owner was the one who called there is no reason to have to determine who this guy was

what a concerned citizen thinks is happening in someone else’s yard carries no weight. The police do or should know this. It’s the police who escalated the situation, not the other way around

they initially charged him with “obstruction” for being correct

HughFreakingDillon · August 2022

mace1229 said:

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/

going to post this on police abuse as well

I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.

I’m not so sure.

I’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.

the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.

Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently

the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed

you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse

So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.

It’s two problems

1. The cops getting called at all
2. benefit of the doubt. That isn’t applied equally across races. It’s the assumption the guy is doing something wrong. If you think a black guy and a white guy gets the same treatment in the same situation consistently I’m not sure where you are living

ive refused to show ID to a cop before too. Based on principle. They knew they weren’t entitled to it based on the circumstances. They let it go. That doesn’t happen both ways consistently either

Maybe #1 is true, I don't know the neighbors and what made them call.

And #2 is true, I won't deny that. But you can't claim it when he doesn't cooperate. As I said, all it would have taken was to show his ID and I'm sure this would have been over in a couple minutes.
Likewise, the both times this happened to me, if I refused to cooperate or show my ID, I doubt they would have just walked away then either. You chose your own fate when the police are being polite, responding to a call they had nothing to do with and you don't cooperate.
Did you refuse to show ID after they were called on you? Circumstances may have been different for you.

Going out on a limb here and suggesting Mr. Cropduster is not African American. lol. Therein lies the problem.

But, yeah, sure, who doesn't go an grab their wallet and ID to water their neighbor's yard? Give me a break.

If he was willing to cooperate but just didn't have his ID that would be one thing. But from the reporter it sounded like he wasn't cooperating to me. He lived across the street, I'm sure if that was where his ID was and he was willing to get it to show them, one of the cops would have escorted him. It just sounds like he wasn't willing to cooperate, so it escalated.

I'm not one of those "MY RIGHTS!" types of people, but this unreasonable request stuff is starting to get to me. no, it doesn't necessarily hit the "harassment" threshold in every instance, but why do the cops think it's reasonable to ask someone for something that they have no legal right to ask? that's the problem. the culture of policing in NA. it's a culture of bullying through fear because some people just don't understand their rights, so they succumb to the fear and let them do it. some cops have this idea that they are the authority, not the protection.

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