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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,252
    I do find it humorous that Tiger and Rory are lecturing people on not going to LIV and then they are starting companies and getting ownership likely in the PGA Tour.  Yeah, I don't think the 40th ranked player has those options.

    I'm not bashing Tiger and Rory, but you can afford to let LIV money go when you can start up your own companies to compete against LIV.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,023
    edited August 2022
    bootlegger10 said:
    I do find it humorous that Tiger and Rory are lecturing people on not going to LIV and then they are starting companies and getting ownership likely in the PGA Tour.  Yeah, I don't think the 40th ranked player has those options.

    I'm not bashing Tiger and Rory, but you can afford to let LIV money go when you can start up your own companies to compete against LIV.
    I don't know man. The big guys are always going to get their money.  What is happening is that the 125th player now has a base salary of $500k, which seems like a pretty big deal, while it's also possible for a player to make Lebron type money (Lerner tweeted this)

    So there will be basically a two tier tour with the vast majority of the best players in the world and players can play their way into the bigger events
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    Cliffy6745 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I do find it humorous that Tiger and Rory are lecturing people on not going to LIV and then they are starting companies and getting ownership likely in the PGA Tour.  Yeah, I don't think the 40th ranked player has those options.

    I'm not bashing Tiger and Rory, but you can afford to let LIV money go when you can start up your own companies to compete against LIV.
    I don't know man. The big guys are always going to get their money.  What is happening is that the 125th player now has a base salary of $500k, which seems like a pretty big deal, while it's also possible for a player to make Lebron type money (Lerner tweeted this)

    So there will be basically a two tier tour with the vast majority of the best players in the world and players can play their way into the bigger events
    I think this might have been Norman's initial proposal back in the 90's. Or something pretty similar. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,252
    Yeah, I think the $500k makes sense.  Nobody is going to coast making $500k a year as that will get spent quickly on tour costs and you can’t coast on the tour anyway.

    These changes will be good and get us viewing more tournaments with all of the best players.  Will probably take the PGA Championship and Players tournaments down a notch having more comparable fields (unless they invite LIV players to the PGA and add some cool storylines). 
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,023
    edited August 2022
    bootlegger10 said:
    Yeah, I think the $500k makes sense.  Nobody is going to coast making $500k a year as that will get spent quickly on tour costs and you can’t coast on the tour anyway.

    These changes will be good and get us viewing more tournaments with all of the best players.  Will probably take the PGA Championship and Players tournaments down a notch having more comparable fields (unless they invite LIV players to the PGA and add some cool storylines). 
    I think I saw they said there is no path for anyone who has gone to ever come back to the PGA.

    So yeah, there is $5k per week for missed cuts for expenses and $500k minimum each year, not sure if that is a base salary or will be drawn against winnings, but still good stuff.

    Will they end up calling the players the 5th major? Gotta think there is a decent chance to keep it elevated, as dumb as that would be
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    bootlegger10 said:
    Yeah, I think the $500k makes sense.  Nobody is going to coast making $500k a year as that will get spent quickly on tour costs and you can’t coast on the tour anyway.

    These changes will be good and get us viewing more tournaments with all of the best players.  Will probably take the PGA Championship and Players tournaments down a notch having more comparable fields (unless they invite LIV players to the PGA and add some cool storylines). 
    Monahan indicated today that they would never be invited back to the Tour. Unless you mean the PGA Championship when you say PGA. In that case, as it stands now, the LIV guys will continue to be eligible for the PGA Championship and the other three majors. Though, many of them will see their edibility go away as they fall out of the top-50 of the World Golf Rankings since LIV won't be getting OWGR points. Past winners like Mickelson, Koepka, etc. will always have their exemptions though.

    There's talk of the LIV guys being outright banned from the majors, but I doubt that would happen. It would be total bullshit if it did. But....if they fall out of the top-50 and have no past-winner exemptions, well then they're shit out of luck. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,023
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Yeah, I think the $500k makes sense.  Nobody is going to coast making $500k a year as that will get spent quickly on tour costs and you can’t coast on the tour anyway.

    These changes will be good and get us viewing more tournaments with all of the best players.  Will probably take the PGA Championship and Players tournaments down a notch having more comparable fields (unless they invite LIV players to the PGA and add some cool storylines). 
    Monahan indicated today that they would never be invited back to the Tour. Unless you mean the PGA Championship when you say PGA. In that case, as it stands now, the LIV guys will continue to be eligible for the PGA Championship and the other three majors. Though, many of them will see their edibility go away as they fall out of the top-50 of the World Golf Rankings since LIV won't be getting OWGR points. Past winners like Mickelson, Koepka, etc. will always have their exemptions though.

    There's talk of the LIV guys being outright banned from the majors, but I doubt that would happen. It would be total bullshit if it did. But....if they fall out of the top-50 and have no past-winner exemptions, well then they're shit out of luck. 
    I don't think the majors will straight ban then because that then helps the anti-trust case against the PGA and that seems to be in a decent spot as it is.  I did hear somewhere (NLU probably lol) that Reed will not be welcome at the Masters after this lawsuit.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,252
    Yeah, I was meaning the PGA Championship.

    I don’t think just being in LIV should mean they can’t be in the Majors (ignoring points).   As viewers we should want the best players in the world in the majors.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Yeah, I think the $500k makes sense.  Nobody is going to coast making $500k a year as that will get spent quickly on tour costs and you can’t coast on the tour anyway.

    These changes will be good and get us viewing more tournaments with all of the best players.  Will probably take the PGA Championship and Players tournaments down a notch having more comparable fields (unless they invite LIV players to the PGA and add some cool storylines). 
    Monahan indicated today that they would never be invited back to the Tour. Unless you mean the PGA Championship when you say PGA. In that case, as it stands now, the LIV guys will continue to be eligible for the PGA Championship and the other three majors. Though, many of them will see their edibility go away as they fall out of the top-50 of the World Golf Rankings since LIV won't be getting OWGR points. Past winners like Mickelson, Koepka, etc. will always have their exemptions though.

    There's talk of the LIV guys being outright banned from the majors, but I doubt that would happen. It would be total bullshit if it did. But....if they fall out of the top-50 and have no past-winner exemptions, well then they're shit out of luck. 
    I don't think the majors will straight ban then because that then helps the anti-trust case against the PGA and that seems to be in a decent spot as it is.  I did hear somewhere (NLU probably lol) that Reed will not be welcome at the Masters after this lawsuit.
    I'm not sure Reed has ever been "welcomed" anywhere for any reason at any time in his life. And his lawsuit might be one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen a pro athlete do.
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    bootlegger10 said:
    Yeah, I was meaning the PGA Championship.

    I don’t think just being in LIV should mean they can’t be in the Majors (ignoring points).   As viewers we should want the best players in the world in the majors.
    Yeah and I think the people that run the majors agree with that. Though I can see the LIV guys getting shitty tee-times and little TV coverage, unless they're in contention. 

    And I'll tell ya what, if I was Mickelson, Garcia, Reed, Johnson, or Schwartzel, I'd be a little weary about eating at Scheffler's Masters Champions Dinner lol
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,023
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Yeah, I think the $500k makes sense.  Nobody is going to coast making $500k a year as that will get spent quickly on tour costs and you can’t coast on the tour anyway.

    These changes will be good and get us viewing more tournaments with all of the best players.  Will probably take the PGA Championship and Players tournaments down a notch having more comparable fields (unless they invite LIV players to the PGA and add some cool storylines). 
    Monahan indicated today that they would never be invited back to the Tour. Unless you mean the PGA Championship when you say PGA. In that case, as it stands now, the LIV guys will continue to be eligible for the PGA Championship and the other three majors. Though, many of them will see their edibility go away as they fall out of the top-50 of the World Golf Rankings since LIV won't be getting OWGR points. Past winners like Mickelson, Koepka, etc. will always have their exemptions though.

    There's talk of the LIV guys being outright banned from the majors, but I doubt that would happen. It would be total bullshit if it did. But....if they fall out of the top-50 and have no past-winner exemptions, well then they're shit out of luck. 
    I don't think the majors will straight ban then because that then helps the anti-trust case against the PGA and that seems to be in a decent spot as it is.  I did hear somewhere (NLU probably lol) that Reed will not be welcome at the Masters after this lawsuit.
    I'm not sure Reed has ever been "welcomed" anywhere for any reason at any time in his life. And his lawsuit might be one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen a pro athlete do.
    hahaha, well this is accurate.  It is so bad and so pathetic.  It does sound like it was all written by his wife, which is incredible.  What a bunch of lunatics.  They literally aggregated every hilarious thing anyone has every said about him. What a self own.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    edited August 2022
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Yeah, I think the $500k makes sense.  Nobody is going to coast making $500k a year as that will get spent quickly on tour costs and you can’t coast on the tour anyway.

    These changes will be good and get us viewing more tournaments with all of the best players.  Will probably take the PGA Championship and Players tournaments down a notch having more comparable fields (unless they invite LIV players to the PGA and add some cool storylines). 
    Monahan indicated today that they would never be invited back to the Tour. Unless you mean the PGA Championship when you say PGA. In that case, as it stands now, the LIV guys will continue to be eligible for the PGA Championship and the other three majors. Though, many of them will see their edibility go away as they fall out of the top-50 of the World Golf Rankings since LIV won't be getting OWGR points. Past winners like Mickelson, Koepka, etc. will always have their exemptions though.

    There's talk of the LIV guys being outright banned from the majors, but I doubt that would happen. It would be total bullshit if it did. But....if they fall out of the top-50 and have no past-winner exemptions, well then they're shit out of luck. 
    I don't think the majors will straight ban then because that then helps the anti-trust case against the PGA and that seems to be in a decent spot as it is.  I did hear somewhere (NLU probably lol) that Reed will not be welcome at the Masters after this lawsuit.
    I'm not sure Reed has ever been "welcomed" anywhere for any reason at any time in his life. And his lawsuit might be one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen a pro athlete do.
    hahaha, well this is accurate.  It is so bad and so pathetic.  It does sound like it was all written by his wife, which is incredible.  What a bunch of lunatics.  They literally aggregated every hilarious thing anyone has every said about him. What a self own.
    It's such a hilarious self-own that it needs a re-posting......



    I love how they differentiate between "You suck" and "You fucking suck."
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,906
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Yeah, I think the $500k makes sense.  Nobody is going to coast making $500k a year as that will get spent quickly on tour costs and you can’t coast on the tour anyway.

    These changes will be good and get us viewing more tournaments with all of the best players.  Will probably take the PGA Championship and Players tournaments down a notch having more comparable fields (unless they invite LIV players to the PGA and add some cool storylines). 
    Monahan indicated today that they would never be invited back to the Tour. Unless you mean the PGA Championship when you say PGA. In that case, as it stands now, the LIV guys will continue to be eligible for the PGA Championship and the other three majors. Though, many of them will see their edibility go away as they fall out of the top-50 of the World Golf Rankings since LIV won't be getting OWGR points. Past winners like Mickelson, Koepka, etc. will always have their exemptions though.

    There's talk of the LIV guys being outright banned from the majors, but I doubt that would happen. It would be total bullshit if it did. But....if they fall out of the top-50 and have no past-winner exemptions, well then they're shit out of luck. 
    I don't think the majors will straight ban then because that then helps the anti-trust case against the PGA and that seems to be in a decent spot as it is.  I did hear somewhere (NLU probably lol) that Reed will not be welcome at the Masters after this lawsuit.
    I'm not sure Reed has ever been "welcomed" anywhere for any reason at any time in his life. And his lawsuit might be one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen a pro athlete do.
    hahaha, well this is accurate.  It is so bad and so pathetic.  It does sound like it was all written by his wife, which is incredible.  What a bunch of lunatics.  They literally aggregated every hilarious thing anyone has every said about him. What a self own.
    It's such a hilarious self-own that it needs a re-posting......



    I love how they differentiate between "You suck" and "You fucking suck."
    "Why dont you introduce your children to their grandparents you ungrateful bitch?" was my personal favorite.
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,906
    Wild day for golf.  And now this Tiger/Rory thing.....looks interesting.


  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    Indifference71 said:
    Wild day for golf.  And now this Tiger/Rory thing.....looks interesting.



    Sounds exactly like LIV minus Trump roaming about the grounds and shitty music playing over the PAs.. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited August 2022
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Indifference71 said:
    Wild day for golf.  And now this Tiger/Rory thing.....looks interesting.



    Sounds exactly like LIV minus Trump roaming about the grounds and shitty music playing over the PAs.. 
    Except they make clear it's basically an exhibition to be played on Monday nights that in no way, shape, or form interferes with the PGA Tour. Not even real golf. It's something different. So it's nothing like LIV. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    The Juggler said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Indifference71 said:
    Wild day for golf.  And now this Tiger/Rory thing.....looks interesting.



    Sounds exactly like LIV minus Trump roaming about the grounds and shitty music playing over the PAs.. 
    Except they make clear it's basically an exhibition to be played on Monday nights that in no way, shape, or form interferes with the PGA Tour. Not even real golf. It's something different. So it's nothing like LIV. 
    So it's an exhibition, there's a team aspect to it, and "it's something different." Yeah, that's nothing at all like LIV. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited August 2022
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Indifference71 said:
    Wild day for golf.  And now this Tiger/Rory thing.....looks interesting.



    Sounds exactly like LIV minus Trump roaming about the grounds and shitty music playing over the PAs.. 
    Except they make clear it's basically an exhibition to be played on Monday nights that in no way, shape, or form interferes with the PGA Tour. Not even real golf. It's something different. So it's nothing like LIV. 
    So it's an exhibition, there's a team aspect to it, and "it's something different." Yeah, that's nothing at all like LIV. 
    Other than there being a team aspect, I don't see any comparison to LIV what so ever. 

    Have you read anything about it? It's not real golf. It seems more like a skills competition played indoors. Nothing like LIV.
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    Full Monahan presser for anyone that's interested....

    https://youtu.be/Zx-LwyIJtxQ
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    The Juggler said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Indifference71 said:
    Wild day for golf.  And now this Tiger/Rory thing.....looks interesting.



    Sounds exactly like LIV minus Trump roaming about the grounds and shitty music playing over the PAs.. 
    Except they make clear it's basically an exhibition to be played on Monday nights that in no way, shape, or form interferes with the PGA Tour. Not even real golf. It's something different. So it's nothing like LIV. 
    So it's an exhibition, there's a team aspect to it, and "it's something different." Yeah, that's nothing at all like LIV. 
    Other than there being a team aspect, I don't see any comparison to LIV what so ever. 

    Have you read anything about it? It's not real golf. It seems more like a skills competition played indoors. Nothing like LIV.
    No I just watched the video above. Well in that case, a skills competition played indoors doesn't sound very interesting. But the changes to the Tour certainly do. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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