R.I.P. The Republican Party
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I sure hope so but...HughFreakingDillon said:the Tea Party died. so will the Trump cult.The Juggler said:
I think this is far bigger and crazier than that ever was though.HughFreakingDillon said:the Tea Party died. so will the Trump cult.... I hate to say it but it seems like the Tea Party went to MacDonald's and traded in their tea and brains for "super-size me"."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
not entirely. ted cruz and those elected around the same time were all tea partiers. i think they then combined with the freedumb caucus to become the pre maga cult that it is now.HughFreakingDillon said:the Tea Party died. so will the Trump cult."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Weren't a lot of the Tea Party folks from 2009 and a few years following often also Libertarians, some of whom, although I didn't always agree with them, could at least formulate a decent argument? I wonder what those people think about- at least by association- having to be mixed in with the freedumb caucus? One would think more of them would be willing to speak out against the idiocy.gimmesometruth27 said:
not entirely. ted cruz and those elected around the same time were all tea partiers. i think they then combined with the freedumb caucus to become the pre maga cult that it is now.HughFreakingDillon said:the Tea Party died. so will the Trump cult.
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This all started back in the 90s with Newt as the speaker of the house. He weaponized bipartisanship and put into motion the state of things today. There are other factors too, such as the availability of information and misinformation, blown to epic proportions by the internet/social media.
GW Bush really played into the born-again Christian thing and courted evangelicals. Also at the same time became 'the guy you would like to have a beer with" as opposed to the boring policy expert who would be more likely to continue the good times we saw under Clinton.
For re-election, GW Bush and Republican SPACs really put the pedal to the metal with the Swift Boat ads. Accusing an actual veteran of being a coward, while Bush was all about courage and troops. I recall seeing the Republican convention that year (and also the McCain year), and so many old people dressed in fake military fatigues and american flags. To criticize those awful wars, you 'hated the troops'. It was concerning that they were beginning to steal Patriotism and convert it into their own, twisted, Nationalistic existence.
Sarah Palin was the next, necessary step. She normalized the idea that you can have a total moron and a loon actually run for major office, and people can get away with supporting it using phrases like 'she is a fresh breath of air'. They even degraded John McCain for this folly. There was also the undercurrent of the xenophobic views of Obama that he was from Kenya and a Muslim.
Through the Obama terms, we had smartphones and social media explode. There were so many memes and the spreading of false information... as well as the Tea Party. As far as I recall, the Tea Party started in opposition of Healthcare reform, and people were rushing in and disrupting town hall meetings. We had stupid shit start to show up, like congressional candidate rallies for George Zimmerman held at a Chick Fil A.
The Romney nomination was almost a last gasp. A fairly good effort by him and Ryan. They were vilified by the hidden camera and binders full of women, which was also silly. It would have been impossible to beat Obama at that point. At this time, it was clear that Republicans could not win national office the way things were. Evangelicals and old people were dying off, while younger, enlightened people were populating the country. City centers were beginning to skew voting and polls even in Texas, Georgia, Nevada, etc. Republicans would need to adjust their policy stances in order to win, or so we thought.
Enter Trump. He was the bounceback/revenge for all the misguided hand-wringing and shit slinging we saw having the first black president in the first full terms of smartphones and facebook. In a country that had a vast racist underbelly that most didnt give any credit too
Everyone just played into him, expecting it to lose steam and go away. They still do that. The alternative now is their party splits which would cost Republicans dearly in the near-term.
It has turned into a reality show, and Trump is the messiah to so many people... and now these people are getting elected to office as well.
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excellent summation. come to think of it, the Newt era was the first time I ever knew any of their names.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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MayDay10 said:This all started back in the 90s with Newt as the speaker of the house. He weaponized bipartisanship and put into motion the state of things today. There are other factors too, such as the availability of information and misinformation, blown to epic proportions by the internet/social media.
GW Bush really played into the born-again Christian thing and courted evangelicals. Also at the same time became 'the guy you would like to have a beer with" as opposed to the boring policy expert who would be more likely to continue the good times we saw under Clinton.
For re-election, GW Bush and Republican SPACs really put the pedal to the metal with the Swift Boat ads. Accusing an actual veteran of being a coward, while Bush was all about courage and troops. I recall seeing the Republican convention that year (and also the McCain year), and so many old people dressed in fake military fatigues and american flags. To criticize those awful wars, you 'hated the troops'. It was concerning that they were beginning to steal Patriotism and convert it into their own, twisted, Nationalistic existence.
Sarah Palin was the next, necessary step. She normalized the idea that you can have a total moron and a loon actually run for major office, and people can get away with supporting it using phrases like 'she is a fresh breath of air'. They even degraded John McCain for this folly. There was also the undercurrent of the xenophobic views of Obama that he was from Kenya and a Muslim.
Through the Obama terms, we had smartphones and social media explode. There were so many memes and the spreading of false information... as well as the Tea Party. As far as I recall, the Tea Party started in opposition of Healthcare reform, and people were rushing in and disrupting town hall meetings. We had stupid shit start to show up, like congressional candidate rallies for George Zimmerman held at a Chick Fil A.
The Romney nomination was almost a last gasp. A fairly good effort by him and Ryan. They were vilified by the hidden camera and binders full of women, which was also silly. It would have been impossible to beat Obama at that point. At this time, it was clear that Republicans could not win national office the way things were. Evangelicals and old people were dying off, while younger, enlightened people were populating the country. City centers were beginning to skew voting and polls even in Texas, Georgia, Nevada, etc. Republicans would need to adjust their policy stances in order to win, or so we thought.
Enter Trump. He was the bounceback/revenge for all the misguided hand-wringing and shit slinging we saw having the first black president in the first full terms of smartphones and facebook. In a country that had a vast racist underbelly that most didnt give any credit too
Everyone just played into him, expecting it to lose steam and go away. They still do that. The alternative now is their party splits which would cost Republicans dearly in the near-term.
It has turned into a reality show, and Trump is the messiah to so many people... and now these people are getting elected to office as well.HughFreakingDillon said:excellent summation. come to think of it, the Newt era was the first time I ever knew any of their names.
Agreed! Nicely done, MayDay!
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agree with all but one point. Reagan tapped into evangelicals with the "silent majority" shit
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St. Ronald also opened his campaign in Philadelphia Mississippi and talked about states' rights and Bush the First was successful with the Willie Horton ads.mickeyrat said:agree with all but one point. Reagan tapped into evangelicals with the "silent majority" shit
That said, it does kinda feel like Newt was a big turning point...maybe even Newt along with Rush. Rush was a true visionary in losing his mind about everything the liberals/Dems did and scarring the crap out of his followers. Cable news and social media brought him and those like him right into everyone's face. In the 1990s, most people just didn't listen to AM radio? Now, almost everyone is confronted with the same exact thing that Rush was doing and has to rely on their own critical thinking to not get caught in those webs.
I think Newt can be "credited" with helping the GOP take a step toward being the GQP. But if there's one person who deserves credit/blame for planting the early seeds of today's divisiveness, I think it's Rush.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Damn I had forgotten so much of this ^^^ it’s incredible! Your assessment is spot on..MayDay10 said:This all started back in the 90s with Newt as the speaker of the house. He weaponized bipartisanship and put into motion the state of things today. There are other factors too, such as the availability of information and misinformation, blown to epic proportions by the internet/social media.
GW Bush really played into the born-again Christian thing and courted evangelicals. Also at the same time became 'the guy you would like to have a beer with" as opposed to the boring policy expert who would be more likely to continue the good times we saw under Clinton.
For re-election, GW Bush and Republican SPACs really put the pedal to the metal with the Swift Boat ads. Accusing an actual veteran of being a coward, while Bush was all about courage and troops. I recall seeing the Republican convention that year (and also the McCain year), and so many old people dressed in fake military fatigues and american flags. To criticize those awful wars, you 'hated the troops'. It was concerning that they were beginning to steal Patriotism and convert it into their own, twisted, Nationalistic existence.
Sarah Palin was the next, necessary step. She normalized the idea that you can have a total moron and a loon actually run for major office, and people can get away with supporting it using phrases like 'she is a fresh breath of air'. They even degraded John McCain for this folly. There was also the undercurrent of the xenophobic views of Obama that he was from Kenya and a Muslim.
Through the Obama terms, we had smartphones and social media explode. There were so many memes and the spreading of false information... as well as the Tea Party. As far as I recall, the Tea Party started in opposition of Healthcare reform, and people were rushing in and disrupting town hall meetings. We had stupid shit start to show up, like congressional candidate rallies for George Zimmerman held at a Chick Fil A.
The Romney nomination was almost a last gasp. A fairly good effort by him and Ryan. They were vilified by the hidden camera and binders full of women, which was also silly. It would have been impossible to beat Obama at that point. At this time, it was clear that Republicans could not win national office the way things were. Evangelicals and old people were dying off, while younger, enlightened people were populating the country. City centers were beginning to skew voting and polls even in Texas, Georgia, Nevada, etc. Republicans would need to adjust their policy stances in order to win, or so we thought.
Enter Trump. He was the bounceback/revenge for all the misguided hand-wringing and shit slinging we saw having the first black president in the first full terms of smartphones and facebook. In a country that had a vast racist underbelly that most didnt give any credit too
Everyone just played into him, expecting it to lose steam and go away. They still do that. The alternative now is their party splits which would cost Republicans dearly in the near-term.
It has turned into a reality show, and Trump is the messiah to so many people... and now these people are getting elected to office as well.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Newt was significant because he was able to turn being a huge asshole into a political asset rather than a liability.0
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And that Congress actually balanced the budget (republicans Congress and bill Clinton). But of course the assholeness should be the focus….Go Beavers said:Newt was significant because he was able to turn being a huge asshole into a political asset rather than a liability.hippiemom = goodness0 -
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And that Congress actually balanced the budget (republicans Congress and bill Clinton). But of course the assholeness should be the focus….Go Beavers said:Newt was significant because he was able to turn being a huge asshole into a political asset rather than a liability.Especially when dealing with certain anti-democracy hemorrhoids.Anti-inflammatories help. Biden is doing what he can.I would continue the metaphor, butt... well...
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Did you forget that all of the US punk rockers HATED Ronnie? Or that Bush Jr was, as Vedder put it "Damien Omen 3", lol.The Juggler said:
Since Reagan? Nah...tempo_n_groove said:
People have been saying this since Reagan though.Parksy said:It died the day Trump was made the GOP nominee.
It's been a stinking, rotting corpse since. Prove me wrong.
It has or seems to have gotten worse since Trump by great leaps and bounds.
People on the other side have been vehemently disagreeing the Republicans for decades but it is exponentially different now as the Maga people have turned their backs on those very same traditional republicans. Case in point: the quintessential Republican and Republican family Liz Cheney.
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Yes, being an asshole is a central focus to the republican party, and not so much policy. Not really any policy.cincybearcat said:
And that Congress actually balanced the budget (republicans Congress and bill Clinton). But of course the assholeness should be the focus….Go Beavers said:Newt was significant because he was able to turn being a huge asshole into a political asset rather than a liability.0 -
Go Beavers said:
Yes, being an asshole is a central focus to the republican party, and not so much policy. Not really any policy.cincybearcat said:
And that Congress actually balanced the budget (republicans Congress and bill Clinton). But of course the assholeness should be the focus….Go Beavers said:Newt was significant because he was able to turn being a huge asshole into a political asset rather than a liability.
well when the bush era republicans allowed that balance to end and not pay for 2 wars, yeah we sorta go with the assholeness......
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josevolution said:https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/31/novel-voting-system-that-could-sink-palins-comeback-bid-00054291Palin looses can she just be shipped over to Russia it’s only like what 45 minute plane ride !
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