R.I.P. The Republican Party
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Or as R.E.M. once said, "Welcome to the occupation."
The Lincoln Project tweeted, “Tonight, the nation marks the end of
the Republican Party. What remains shares the name and branding of the
traditional GOP, but is in fact an authoritarian nationalist cult
dedicated only to Donald Trump.”
"It's a sad and beautiful world"
-Roberto Benigni
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They've hitched their wagon to a con man.www.myspace.com0
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Remember at first when he was running and NOBODY wanted to be associated w him? Now they fall all over themselves for him.The Juggler said:They've hitched their wagon to a con man.
I was all for him at first because he wasn't traditional. How you can still support him though after everything he has done?
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I'm not convinced this will be a bad thing for Democrats. If Primaries across the States yield a cabal of Trump-loving nutcases who can't articulate a single cogent argument - my guess is that can be weaponized to draw more Democrat voters to the booths in the general elections.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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That is why a lot of these maga loons got donations from dem super pacs. They think they will have an easier time beating them in November than a traditional republican.benjs said:I'm not convinced this will be a bad thing for Democrats. If Primaries across the States yield a cabal of Trump-loving nutcases who can't articulate a single cogent argument - my guess is that can be weaponized to draw more Democrat voters to the booths in the general elections.www.myspace.com0 -
This strategy may very well blow up in the Dems’ faces. Don’t forget, 7-8M more folks voted for POOTWH the 2nd time around and even the moderate repubs are afraid to disavow him. Coupled with the take over of state legislatures and voting governance apparatuses, storm clouds are brewing.The Juggler said:
That is why a lot of these maga loons got donations from dem super pacs. They think they will have an easier time beating them in November than a traditional republican.benjs said:I'm not convinced this will be a bad thing for Democrats. If Primaries across the States yield a cabal of Trump-loving nutcases who can't articulate a single cogent argument - my guess is that can be weaponized to draw more Democrat voters to the booths in the general elections.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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From WaPo. The problem is the American repub electorate.
The winners fit a pattern: Across the battleground states that decided the 2020 vote, candidates who deny the legitimacy of that election have claimed nearly two-thirds of GOP nominations for state and federal offices with authority over elections, according to a Washington Post analysis.
In the 41 states that have held nominating contests this year, more than half the GOP winners so far — about 250 candidates in 469 contests — have embraced Trump’s false claims about his defeat two years ago, according to a Post analysis of every race for federal and statewide office with power over elections.
The proportion of election-denying nominees is even higher in the six critical battlegrounds that ultimately decided the 2020 presidential contest, where Trump most fiercely contested the results. In Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, at least 54 winners out of 87 contests — more than 62 percent of nominees — have embraced the former president’s false claims.
The count covers offices with direct supervision over election certification, such as secretaries of state, as well as the U.S. House and Senate, which have the power to finalize — or contest — the electoral college count every four years. Lieutenant governors and attorneys general are also included, with each playing a role in shaping election law, investigating alleged fraud or filing lawsuits to influence electoral outcomes.
Among the six battlegrounds, only Arizona, Michigan and Pennsylvania have nominated statewide candidates who would have direct power over the certification process and who worked to overturn the 2020 result or have said they would not have certified it.
Candidates identified by The Post as election deniers have questioned President Biden’s victory, opposed the counting of Biden’s electoral college votes, expressed support for a partisan post-election ballot review, signed onto a lawsuit seeking to overturn the 2020 result, or attended or expressed support for the ‘Stop the Steal’ rally on Jan. 6, 2021.
“These people are out there saying they are going to do this,” said Bradley Schrager, a Democratic election lawyer based in Nevada. “Which means, logically, that there’s a constituency out there that yearns for this.”
And if election-denying candidates win in November, having campaigned on the issue, Schrager said they may claim a mandate to address their backers’ grievances by whatever means necessary.
“We’re in the world of, ‘What are you prepared to do?’ ‘How far will you go?’” Schrager said. “We’re focusing on certification and things of that nature. But all the little things that run an election go through these people. So you could not just gum up an election. You could destroy it.”
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The GOP is still party #1, in no small part because they're united. That they're united behind a despotic conman is problematic for the country but not for their party. You don't see American conservatives saying a candidate has to "earn my vote." Another key part of the reason is because the Constitution enabled them to fall ass backwards into an advantageous situation with the extra power given to rural states/areas. They're not a majority but the Senate and electoral college effectively make them the majority.
The Dems are far more likely to be dead the the GOP.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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...yes, I agree it is risky propositionHalifax2TheMax said:
This strategy may very well blow up in the Dems’ faces. Don’t forget, 7-8M more folks voted for POOTWH the 2nd time around and even the moderate repubs are afraid to disavow him. Coupled with the take over of state legislatures and voting governance apparatuses, storm clouds are brewing.The Juggler said:
That is why a lot of these maga loons got donations from dem super pacs. They think they will have an easier time beating them in November than a traditional republican.benjs said:I'm not convinced this will be a bad thing for Democrats. If Primaries across the States yield a cabal of Trump-loving nutcases who can't articulate a single cogent argument - my guess is that can be weaponized to draw more Democrat voters to the booths in the general elections.www.myspace.com0 -
It died the day Trump was made the GOP nominee.
It's been a stinking, rotting corpse since. Prove me wrong.Toronto 2000
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People have been saying this since Reagan though.Parksy said:It died the day Trump was made the GOP nominee.
It's been a stinking, rotting corpse since. Prove me wrong.
It has or seems to have gotten worse since Trump by great leaps and bounds.0 -
Since Reagan? Nah...tempo_n_groove said:
People have been saying this since Reagan though.Parksy said:It died the day Trump was made the GOP nominee.
It's been a stinking, rotting corpse since. Prove me wrong.
It has or seems to have gotten worse since Trump by great leaps and bounds.
People on the other side have been vehemently disagreeing the Republicans for decades but it is exponentially different now as the Maga people have turned their backs on those very same traditional republicans. Case in point: the quintessential Republican and Republican family Liz Cheney.www.myspace.com0 -
I think the distinction here is people have been saying that the Repub party was "losing it's base" over time.tempo_n_groove said:
People have been saying this since Reagan though.Parksy said:It died the day Trump was made the GOP nominee.
It's been a stinking, rotting corpse since. Prove me wrong.
It has or seems to have gotten worse since Trump by great leaps and bounds.
The GOP switched this up by bailing on their core beliefs, using populism and religion to shore up a vocal group of people that will be loyal, focusing less on governing and more on culture, developing an amazing local/state level org that is proving to be very valuable.
I agree that it hasn't been the GOP since Trump was the nominee. It is a totally different party now...and unfortunately could be built to last. The biggest surprise and concern for me are the latino voters who have been supporting trump and this nonsense.
Instead of abandoning religious rule and moving towards a true small government party...they decided on a crusade against anyone that disagrees on anything. And like a terrorist org, if one goes away, someone is there to take their place. And the lack of truth and the ability to be straight-faced hypocrites has so far, given this new party staying power.hippiemom = goodness0 -
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It was only a matter of time based on the party’s response to the Civil Rights Act and the embrace of the culture war beginning in the Reagan era (if not before that with Nixon).0
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Yep.The Juggler said:
Since Reagan? Nah...tempo_n_groove said:
People have been saying this since Reagan though.Parksy said:It died the day Trump was made the GOP nominee.
It's been a stinking, rotting corpse since. Prove me wrong.
It has or seems to have gotten worse since Trump by great leaps and bounds.
People on the other side have been vehemently disagreeing the Republicans for decades but it is exponentially different now as the Maga people have turned their backs on those very same traditional republicans. Case in point: the quintessential Republican and Republican family Liz Cheney.
I'm on the outside looking in with limited knowledge of american politics.. but from what I can see... folks 'on the left' have been against Reagan and the Bushes and conservatism. But traditional conservatism and fiscal conservatism is no longer what the republican party are about. Conspiracy theories and fear are now front and centre.
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good. that party needed to die 40 years ago."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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There is nobody more fiscally conservative than a Cheney for christ's sake and they just tossed her aside like last night's leftover taco salad simply because she refuses to join their cult.Parksy said:
Yep.The Juggler said:
Since Reagan? Nah...tempo_n_groove said:
People have been saying this since Reagan though.Parksy said:It died the day Trump was made the GOP nominee.
It's been a stinking, rotting corpse since. Prove me wrong.
It has or seems to have gotten worse since Trump by great leaps and bounds.
People on the other side have been vehemently disagreeing the Republicans for decades but it is exponentially different now as the Maga people have turned their backs on those very same traditional republicans. Case in point: the quintessential Republican and Republican family Liz Cheney.
I'm on the outside looking in with limited knowledge of american politics.. but from what I can see... folks 'on the left' have been against Reagan and the Bushes and conservatism. But traditional conservatism and fiscal conservatism is no longer what the republican party are about. Conspiracy theories and fear are now front and centre.www.myspace.com0 -
benjs said:I'm not convinced this will be a bad thing for Democrats. If Primaries across the States yield a cabal of Trump-loving nutcases who can't articulate a single cogent argument - my guess is that can be weaponized to draw more Democrat voters to the booths in the general elections.That is a promising thought, for sure, although as others have pointed out, a bit of a risky proposition.My wife pointed out something last night that had also crossed my mind, an idea some Dems here may bristle at but under worse case conditions, might have some merit. The idea is to get a lot of Democrats to join the Republican party and support the much more rational Lincoln Project folks in order to reduce the power of the anti-Democracy, pro-authoritarian far right. These radical right people are not going to go away. They are very motivated, "my team or die" people who are joiners, not critical thinkers. The Republican party has only died in the sense that it has become a cult party- the party of Trump.At the same time, progressives need to become better organized and more motivated, and stop making assumptions that they will always win. It's not happening. A need for much greater energy and strategizing is definitely in need here.So those are just some thoughts. Personally, I am very concerned about living to se something I never imagined in my lifetime: The demise of democracy. I really hope I don't (and by that, I don't mean I'm in a hurry to die!)"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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the Tea Party died. so will the Trump cult.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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I think this is far bigger and crazier than that ever was though.HughFreakingDillon said:the Tea Party died. so will the Trump cult.www.myspace.com0
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