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Unseal warrant for Mar-a-Lago search, AG Garland asksBy ERIC TUCKER and MICHAEL BALSAMO1 hour ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department is asking a federal court to unseal the warrant the FBI used to search the Mar-a-Lago estate of former President Donald Trump, Attorney General Merrick Garland said Thursday, acknowledging extraordinary public interest in the case about classified records.
The request is striking because such documents traditionally remain sealed during a pending investigation. But the Justice Department appeared to recognize that its silence since the search had created a vacuum for bitter verbal attacks by Trump and his allies and Garland wanted to provide the FBI's side for what led to the action.
“The public’s clear and powerful interest in understanding what occurred under these circumstances weighs heavily in favor of unsealing,” said a motion filed in federal court in Florida on Thursday seeking the unsealing.
Should the warrant be released — the request is now with the judge, and Trump can object — it could disclose potentially unflattering information about the former president and his handling of sensitive government documents right as he prepares for another run for the White House. During his successful 2016 campaign, he pointed frequently to an FBI investigation into his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, over whether she mishandled classified information.
It's unclear at this point how much information would be included in the documents, if made public, or if they would encompass an FBI affidavit that would presumably lay out a detailed factual basis for the search. To obtain a search warrant, federal authorities must prove to a judge that probable cause exists to believe that a crime was committed.
Neither Trump nor the FBI has said anything about what documents the FBI might have recovered. But the former president complained anew on Thursday about the search.
Trump, who for years has lambasted the FBI and sought to sow distrust among his supporters in its decisions, said the warrant was served and the search conducted despite his cooperation with the Justice Department.
In a post to his Truth Social platform, Trump said that his “attorneys and representatives were cooperating fully” prior to the search, and that government officials “could have had whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted, if we had it."
FBI and Justice Department policy cautions against discussing ongoing investigations, both to protect the integrity of probes and to avoid unfairly maligning someone who is being scrutinized but winds up ultimately not being charged. That’s especially true in the case of search warrants, where supporting court papers are routinely kept secret as the investigation proceeds.
In this case, though, Garland cited the fact that Trump himself had provided the first public confirmation of the FBI search, “as his right." The Justice Department, in its new filing, also said that disclosing information about it now would not harm the court's functions.
Even so, Garland, in a hastily scheduled public statement delivered from the Justice Department podium, appeared to acknowledge the unusual nature of the department's request as he declined to take questions or provide any substantive details about the FBI's investigation.
“Much of our work is by necessity conducted out of the public eye. We do that to protect the constitutional rights of all Americans and to protect the integrity of our investigations," he said. "Federal law, longstanding department rules and our ethical obligations prevent me from providing further details as to the basis of the search at this time.”
He said he personally approved the search warrant, a step he said was part of an ongoing Justice Department investigation into the discovery of classified White House records recovered from Trump's Mar-a-Lago home in Palm Beach, Florida, earlier this year. The National Archives had asked the department to investigate after saying that classified records were found in 15 boxes of records that it retrieved from the estate.
The attorney general condemned verbal attacks on FBI and Justice Department personnel over the search. Some Republican allies of Trump have called for the FBI to be defunded.
Earlier Thursday, an armed man wearing body armor tried to breach a security screening area at an FBI field office in Ohio, then fled and was injured in an exchange of gunfire in a standoff with law enforcement.
“I will not stand by silently when their integrity is unfairly attacked,” Garland said of federal law enforcement agents, calling them “dedicated, patriotic public servants.”
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Associated Press writers Zeke Miller, Lindsay Whitehurst and Meg Kinnard contributed to this report.
More on Donald Trump-related investigations: https://apnews.com/hub/donald-trump
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Where did you see this and what is the comment about 3PM as high noon?Halifax2TheMax said:TOP SECRET material found at Mar-I-Lieo, per FBI. Violation of law, federal offense. POOTWH will be charged, me thinks.0 -
Tough break.
WILMINGTON, Ohio — After a lengthy standoff, police officers shot and killed an armed man accused of trying to break into the F.B.I.’s Cincinnati office on Thursday, officials in Ohio said, but the motives of the man remained unclear.
Investigators are looking into whether the man had ties to extremist groups, including one that participated in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, according to two law enforcement officials familiar with the matter.
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Court wants a trump response by 3 tomorrowmrussel1 said:
Where did you see this and what is the comment about 3PM as high noon?Halifax2TheMax said:TOP SECRET material found at Mar-I-Lieo, per FBI. Violation of law, federal offense. POOTWH will be charged, me thinks.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Court wants a trump response by 3 tomorrowmrussel1 said:
Where did you see this and what is the comment about 3PM as high noon?Halifax2TheMax said:TOP SECRET material found at Mar-I-Lieo, per FBI. Violation of law, federal offense. POOTWH will be charged, me thinks.0 -
Your next Ashli Babbit...mrussel1 said:Tough break.WILMINGTON, Ohio — After a lengthy standoff, police officers shot and killed an armed man accused of trying to break into the F.B.I.’s Cincinnati office on Thursday, officials in Ohio said, but the motives of the man remained unclear.
Investigators are looking into whether the man had ties to extremist groups, including one that participated in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, according to two law enforcement officials familiar with the matter.
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NPR interview with Weissman explaining that the judge has given POOTWH until 3:00 p.m. tomorrow to respond to the DOJ request. STFU or release the warrant and the inventory of what they were looking for.mrussel1 said:
Where did you see this and what is the comment about 3PM as high noon?Halifax2TheMax said:TOP SECRET material found at Mar-I-Lieo, per FBI. Violation of law, federal offense. POOTWH will be charged, me thinks.
MSNBC just reported that TOP SECRET material had been found at Mar-I-Lieo. Didn’t differentiate whether it was from the 15 boxes previously returned or the 12 taken Monday. Regardless, we know there’s a 3 page inventory of classified material taken from the 15 boxes previously returned.
Theres no way those 12 boxes taken on Monday contained classified material or TOP SECRET material. No way. Boxes of Dr. Seuss books. The out of print ones.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Great, and what did that lead to? More complaining and crying amongst the 10%.OnWis97 said:
Your next Ashli Babbit...mrussel1 said:Tough break.WILMINGTON, Ohio — After a lengthy standoff, police officers shot and killed an armed man accused of trying to break into the F.B.I.’s Cincinnati office on Thursday, officials in Ohio said, but the motives of the man remained unclear.
Investigators are looking into whether the man had ties to extremist groups, including one that participated in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, according to two law enforcement officials familiar with the matter.
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Saint hood in MAGA world!mrussel1 said:Tough break.WILMINGTON, Ohio — After a lengthy standoff, police officers shot and killed an armed man accused of trying to break into the F.B.I.’s Cincinnati office on Thursday, officials in Ohio said, but the motives of the man remained unclear.
Investigators are looking into whether the man had ties to extremist groups, including one that participated in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, according to two law enforcement officials familiar with the matter.
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NBC is reporting he was also at the capital on Jan 6. Not that it’s surprising0
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Halifax2TheMax said:
NPR interview with Weissman explaining that the judge has given POOTWH until 3:00 p.m. tomorrow to respond to the DOJ request. STFU or release the warrant and the inventory of what they were looking for.mrussel1 said:
Where did you see this and what is the comment about 3PM as high noon?Halifax2TheMax said:TOP SECRET material found at Mar-I-Lieo, per FBI. Violation of law, federal offense. POOTWH will be charged, me thinks.
MSNBC just reported that TOP SECRET material had been found at Mar-I-Lieo. Didn’t differentiate whether it was from the 15 boxes previously returned or the 12 taken Monday. Regardless, we know there’s a 3 page inventory of classified material taken from the 15 boxes previously returned.
Theres no way those 12 boxes taken on Monday contained classified material or TOP SECRET material. No way. Boxes of Dr. Seuss books. The out of print ones.classified materiel is going to be contested so it’s not a smoking gun as trump can just say he de classified them. The nature of the documents probably doesn’t matter.
“former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel has claimed Trump did just that before leaving office. There is no set procedure for presidential declassification, meaning that could be the basis for a defense if a case proceeds against Trump.”0 -
I cannot believe for a second that there is not a formal procedure for declassification. That makes no sense. Where is this coming from?Cropduster-80 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
NPR interview with Weissman explaining that the judge has given POOTWH until 3:00 p.m. tomorrow to respond to the DOJ request. STFU or release the warrant and the inventory of what they were looking for.mrussel1 said:
Where did you see this and what is the comment about 3PM as high noon?Halifax2TheMax said:TOP SECRET material found at Mar-I-Lieo, per FBI. Violation of law, federal offense. POOTWH will be charged, me thinks.
MSNBC just reported that TOP SECRET material had been found at Mar-I-Lieo. Didn’t differentiate whether it was from the 15 boxes previously returned or the 12 taken Monday. Regardless, we know there’s a 3 page inventory of classified material taken from the 15 boxes previously returned.
Theres no way those 12 boxes taken on Monday contained classified material or TOP SECRET material. No way. Boxes of Dr. Seuss books. The out of print ones.classified materiel is going to be contested so it’s not a smoking gun as trump can just say he de classified them. The nature of the documents probably doesn’t matter.
“former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel has claimed Trump did just that before leaving office. There is no set procedure for presidential declassification, meaning that could be the basis for a defense if a case proceeds against Trump.”0 -
Bloombergmrussel1 said:
I cannot believe for a second that there is not a formal procedure for declassification. That makes no sense. Where is this coming from?Cropduster-80 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
NPR interview with Weissman explaining that the judge has given POOTWH until 3:00 p.m. tomorrow to respond to the DOJ request. STFU or release the warrant and the inventory of what they were looking for.mrussel1 said:
Where did you see this and what is the comment about 3PM as high noon?Halifax2TheMax said:TOP SECRET material found at Mar-I-Lieo, per FBI. Violation of law, federal offense. POOTWH will be charged, me thinks.
MSNBC just reported that TOP SECRET material had been found at Mar-I-Lieo. Didn’t differentiate whether it was from the 15 boxes previously returned or the 12 taken Monday. Regardless, we know there’s a 3 page inventory of classified material taken from the 15 boxes previously returned.
Theres no way those 12 boxes taken on Monday contained classified material or TOP SECRET material. No way. Boxes of Dr. Seuss books. The out of print ones.classified materiel is going to be contested so it’s not a smoking gun as trump can just say he de classified them. The nature of the documents probably doesn’t matter.
“former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel has claimed Trump did just that before leaving office. There is no set procedure for presidential declassification, meaning that could be the basis for a defense if a case proceeds against Trump.”
there is a procedure at a department level, as in the CIA declassification of something. Presidents can declassify whatever they want, with no process. Apparently
it makes sense in the context of executive authority. If the president wants to share battle field intelligence with the british at a meeting he has that right. Having to ask permission or having to get a sign off means a president is answerable to someone else. Certainly you couldn’t say he committed a crime. This is that concept stretched to the extreme as is the normal for trump. One of his minions says he declassified it, so there is a witness.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-09/what-to-know-about-presidential-records-and-the-law-quicktake
and here
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/
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POOTWH is fundraising off of this with the $100 donation button moving around. And yea, you have to uncheck the box to keep it from being a reoccurring donation. Suckers.
As for that 10%, during the 1930s, leading up to the 1939 invasion of Poland, did the Nazi party have just 10% of support? And the long article about how certain repub senate and house candidates are distancing themselves from POOTWH leading up to the mid-terms as if that’s a sign of POOTWH losing his grip on the party is laughable. Once elected, they will fall in line with leadership and do POOTWH’s agenda and bidding, laying the groundwork for POOTWH’s 2024 candidacy.
There is a solid 35% base willing to give up everything for POOTWH. There’s another 15% willing to remain silent and look the other way. And there’s 1% who will naively go along to own the libs.
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If he is claiming he declassified them, then why wasn't that raised as a defense to the original subpoena? Surely the process must include notifying the National Records. Also, even if declassified, that doesn't give him the right to remove them. I think that would still be a violation of the act.Cropduster-80 said:
Bloombergmrussel1 said:
I cannot believe for a second that there is not a formal procedure for declassification. That makes no sense. Where is this coming from?Cropduster-80 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
NPR interview with Weissman explaining that the judge has given POOTWH until 3:00 p.m. tomorrow to respond to the DOJ request. STFU or release the warrant and the inventory of what they were looking for.mrussel1 said:
Where did you see this and what is the comment about 3PM as high noon?Halifax2TheMax said:TOP SECRET material found at Mar-I-Lieo, per FBI. Violation of law, federal offense. POOTWH will be charged, me thinks.
MSNBC just reported that TOP SECRET material had been found at Mar-I-Lieo. Didn’t differentiate whether it was from the 15 boxes previously returned or the 12 taken Monday. Regardless, we know there’s a 3 page inventory of classified material taken from the 15 boxes previously returned.
Theres no way those 12 boxes taken on Monday contained classified material or TOP SECRET material. No way. Boxes of Dr. Seuss books. The out of print ones.classified materiel is going to be contested so it’s not a smoking gun as trump can just say he de classified them. The nature of the documents probably doesn’t matter.
“former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel has claimed Trump did just that before leaving office. There is no set procedure for presidential declassification, meaning that could be the basis for a defense if a case proceeds against Trump.”
there is a procedure at a department level, as in the CIA declassification of something. Presidents can declassify whatever they want, with no process. Apparently
it makes sense in the context of executive authority. If the president wants to share battle field intelligence with the british at a meeting he has that right. Having to ask permission or having to get a sign off means a president is answerable to someone else.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-09/what-to-know-about-presidential-records-and-the-law-quicktake
and here
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/
All this is speculative. Garland strikes me as very deliberative. So if it got through Wray and Garland, it must be something material and not really open to interpretation. And if the mole theory is true, same for that person. It must be something not in the gray area. I would be shocked by that level of misreading.
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All I’m saying is there is other violations here. I don’t think top secret matters. Doesn’t mean mishandling of documents, not complying with a records request etc aren’t crimes.mrussel1 said:
If he is claiming he declassified them, then why wasn't that raised as a defense to the original subpoena? Surely the process must include notifying the National Records. Also, even if declassified, that doesn't give him the right to remove them. I think that would still be a violation of the act.Cropduster-80 said:
Bloombergmrussel1 said:
I cannot believe for a second that there is not a formal procedure for declassification. That makes no sense. Where is this coming from?Cropduster-80 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
NPR interview with Weissman explaining that the judge has given POOTWH until 3:00 p.m. tomorrow to respond to the DOJ request. STFU or release the warrant and the inventory of what they were looking for.mrussel1 said:
Where did you see this and what is the comment about 3PM as high noon?Halifax2TheMax said:TOP SECRET material found at Mar-I-Lieo, per FBI. Violation of law, federal offense. POOTWH will be charged, me thinks.
MSNBC just reported that TOP SECRET material had been found at Mar-I-Lieo. Didn’t differentiate whether it was from the 15 boxes previously returned or the 12 taken Monday. Regardless, we know there’s a 3 page inventory of classified material taken from the 15 boxes previously returned.
Theres no way those 12 boxes taken on Monday contained classified material or TOP SECRET material. No way. Boxes of Dr. Seuss books. The out of print ones.classified materiel is going to be contested so it’s not a smoking gun as trump can just say he de classified them. The nature of the documents probably doesn’t matter.
“former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel has claimed Trump did just that before leaving office. There is no set procedure for presidential declassification, meaning that could be the basis for a defense if a case proceeds against Trump.”
there is a procedure at a department level, as in the CIA declassification of something. Presidents can declassify whatever they want, with no process. Apparently
it makes sense in the context of executive authority. If the president wants to share battle field intelligence with the british at a meeting he has that right. Having to ask permission or having to get a sign off means a president is answerable to someone else.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-09/what-to-know-about-presidential-records-and-the-law-quicktake
and here
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/
All this is speculative. Garland strikes me as very deliberative. So if it got through Wray and Garland, it must be something material and not really open to interpretation. And if the mole theory is true, same for that person. It must be something not in the gray area. I would be shocked by that level of misreading.Patel did raise that point that trump declassified them. I’m not sure when though.
Without a process though, he didn’t need to disclose that. It’s all very convoluted.I just wouldn’t get too caught up on “top secret”. Classified or not they belong to the national archivesPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
100%.Cropduster-80 said:
All I’m saying is there is other violations here. I don’t think top secret matters. Doesn’t mean mishandling of documents, not complying with a records request etc aren’t crimes.mrussel1 said:
If he is claiming he declassified them, then why wasn't that raised as a defense to the original subpoena? Surely the process must include notifying the National Records. Also, even if declassified, that doesn't give him the right to remove them. I think that would still be a violation of the act.Cropduster-80 said:
Bloombergmrussel1 said:
I cannot believe for a second that there is not a formal procedure for declassification. That makes no sense. Where is this coming from?Cropduster-80 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
NPR interview with Weissman explaining that the judge has given POOTWH until 3:00 p.m. tomorrow to respond to the DOJ request. STFU or release the warrant and the inventory of what they were looking for.mrussel1 said:
Where did you see this and what is the comment about 3PM as high noon?Halifax2TheMax said:TOP SECRET material found at Mar-I-Lieo, per FBI. Violation of law, federal offense. POOTWH will be charged, me thinks.
MSNBC just reported that TOP SECRET material had been found at Mar-I-Lieo. Didn’t differentiate whether it was from the 15 boxes previously returned or the 12 taken Monday. Regardless, we know there’s a 3 page inventory of classified material taken from the 15 boxes previously returned.
Theres no way those 12 boxes taken on Monday contained classified material or TOP SECRET material. No way. Boxes of Dr. Seuss books. The out of print ones.classified materiel is going to be contested so it’s not a smoking gun as trump can just say he de classified them. The nature of the documents probably doesn’t matter.
“former Trump National Security Council member Kash Patel has claimed Trump did just that before leaving office. There is no set procedure for presidential declassification, meaning that could be the basis for a defense if a case proceeds against Trump.”
there is a procedure at a department level, as in the CIA declassification of something. Presidents can declassify whatever they want, with no process. Apparently
it makes sense in the context of executive authority. If the president wants to share battle field intelligence with the british at a meeting he has that right. Having to ask permission or having to get a sign off means a president is answerable to someone else.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-09/what-to-know-about-presidential-records-and-the-law-quicktake
and here
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/
All this is speculative. Garland strikes me as very deliberative. So if it got through Wray and Garland, it must be something material and not really open to interpretation. And if the mole theory is true, same for that person. It must be something not in the gray area. I would be shocked by that level of misreading.Patel did raise that point that trump declassified them. I’m not sure when though.
Without a process though, he didn’t need to disclose that. It’s all very convoluted.I just wouldn’t get too caught up on “top secret”. Classified or not they belong to the national archives0
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