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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,718
    OnWis97 said:
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.


    The deliberate and obvious whitewashing (pun intended) of American history is bad enough in and of itself; that so many Americans are willing to go with it is pretty concerning. 


    American exceptionalism indeed. 
    They so frequently accuse "the woke left" of being overly insecure and sensitive and unwilling to hear the truth. Keeping in mind that "every accusation is a confession," we should have seen this coming.  "Don't teach actual history because the white kids are snowflakes."


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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 34,348
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.

    Years ago I listened to a Jello Biafra spoken word album, maybe 20 years ago or more and it mentioned this very thing about textbooks and who writes them and how much money is in making them.

    I thought that was just some podunk little Texas town or something like that because our NY textbooks weren't like that.

    Fast forward years later and the term CRT was meant to mean 2 very different things but the teaching of our actual history is one of them that is getting shafted.
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anybody else notice how all this shit is just like a catholic missile?  Year A, B C….think you’ve heard the last of someone like Chauvin and just like a Catholic missile here he comes back again.  Just when you think a thread has finally moved to page two it shoots right back to the top of page one again. 
    I have never heard the phrase "Catholic missile". What does that mean?  
    So my pre marriage “I want to be a catholic” classes are finally being put to good use.  
    A catholic missile is a book you take to church so you can follow the service.  You may be aware that Catholic services tend to be - let’s see - kind of repetitive.  The missile runs for three years A, B, C then back to A , B C again, and again, and again (repetitive). The only thing that changes is how the sermon is written but the subject must follow the missile calendar.  And I can say that I did not convert because I found the religion to be sad, and mean, and riddled with people who thought guilt was a way to worship God.  It’s all about repenting.  I like to celebrate God, Jesus.  The whole catholic thing just didn’t fit who I am. But, I do know more about the catholic religion than a lot of Catholics so that should tell you something.  
    Ah you mean "missal".  I really didn't catch that.  And yes, I was raised Catholic. 
    So you knew what I meant but decided to just fuck with me instead of just correcting my spelling?  So did I pass the test of at least knowing what is was?  No need to answer….I’m done. 
    No, I wasn't fucking with you.  I thought you were talking about some slang about a Catholic ass rocket.  It wasn't until you described it did I realize it was a homophone.  
    I really do think the church needs to stop issuing those particular phones.  All the apps and stuff just encourages these priests 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 26,189
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Anybody else notice how all this shit is just like a catholic missile?  Year A, B C….think you’ve heard the last of someone like Chauvin and just like a Catholic missile here he comes back again.  Just when you think a thread has finally moved to page two it shoots right back to the top of page one again. 
    I have never heard the phrase "Catholic missile". What does that mean?  
    So my pre marriage “I want to be a catholic” classes are finally being put to good use.  
    A catholic missile is a book you take to church so you can follow the service.  You may be aware that Catholic services tend to be - let’s see - kind of repetitive.  The missile runs for three years A, B, C then back to A , B C again, and again, and again (repetitive). The only thing that changes is how the sermon is written but the subject must follow the missile calendar.  And I can say that I did not convert because I found the religion to be sad, and mean, and riddled with people who thought guilt was a way to worship God.  It’s all about repenting.  I like to celebrate God, Jesus.  The whole catholic thing just didn’t fit who I am. But, I do know more about the catholic religion than a lot of Catholics so that should tell you something.  
    Ah you mean "missal".  I really didn't catch that.  And yes, I was raised Catholic. 
    So you knew what I meant but decided to just fuck with me instead of just correcting my spelling?  So did I pass the test of at least knowing what is was?  No need to answer….I’m done. 
    No, I wasn't fucking with you.  I thought you were talking about some slang about a Catholic ass rocket.  It wasn't until you described it did I realize it was a homophone.  
    I really do think the church needs to stop issuing those particular phones.  All the apps and stuff just encourages these priests 
    That joke took me a second as well, but that was a good one! 


  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 34,348
    mickeyrat said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.


    The deliberate and obvious whitewashing (pun intended) of American history is bad enough in and of itself; that so many Americans are willing to go with it is pretty concerning. 


    American exceptionalism indeed. 
    They so frequently accuse "the woke left" of being overly insecure and sensitive and unwilling to hear the truth. Keeping in mind that "every accusation is a confession," we should have seen this coming.  "Don't teach actual history because the white kids are snowflakes."


    This is incorrect, no?  The Conservatives were offended by Big Bird and Bert and Ernie and the other Muppets.
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited July 8
    mickeyrat said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.


    The deliberate and obvious whitewashing (pun intended) of American history is bad enough in and of itself; that so many Americans are willing to go with it is pretty concerning. 


    American exceptionalism indeed. 
    They so frequently accuse "the woke left" of being overly insecure and sensitive and unwilling to hear the truth. Keeping in mind that "every accusation is a confession," we should have seen this coming.  "Don't teach actual history because the white kids are snowflakes."


    This is incorrect, no?  The Conservatives were offended by Big Bird and Bert and Ernie and the other Muppets.
    Liberals get offended by the micro issues. One thing about a particular company 

    conservatives get offended by the macro issues like the existence of racism, Christmas, Gay people, girls sports, not protesting correctly (beating an officer with a flag pole attached to an American flag Vs kneeling before that same flag), and non Christians.  Which then offends liberals 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 32,046
    mickeyrat said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.


    The deliberate and obvious whitewashing (pun intended) of American history is bad enough in and of itself; that so many Americans are willing to go with it is pretty concerning. 


    American exceptionalism indeed. 
    They so frequently accuse "the woke left" of being overly insecure and sensitive and unwilling to hear the truth. Keeping in mind that "every accusation is a confession," we should have seen this coming.  "Don't teach actual history because the white kids are snowflakes."


    This is incorrect, no?  The Conservatives were offended by Big Bird and Bert and Ernie and the other Muppets.
    Liberals get offended by the micro issues. One thing about a particular company 

    conservatives get offended by the macro issues like the existence of racism, Christmas, Gay people, girls sports, not protesting correctly (beating an officer with a flag pole attached to an American flag Vs kneeling before that same flag), and non Christians.  Which then offends liberals 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,469
    mickeyrat said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.


    The deliberate and obvious whitewashing (pun intended) of American history is bad enough in and of itself; that so many Americans are willing to go with it is pretty concerning. 


    American exceptionalism indeed. 
    They so frequently accuse "the woke left" of being overly insecure and sensitive and unwilling to hear the truth. Keeping in mind that "every accusation is a confession," we should have seen this coming.  "Don't teach actual history because the white kids are snowflakes."




    They were big mad when Dr Seuss' parent company decided to stop publishing a few of their lesser known books... meanwhile they're literally having book burnings in Tennessee. 


    Weird, huh? 
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited July 8
    mickeyrat said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.


    The deliberate and obvious whitewashing (pun intended) of American history is bad enough in and of itself; that so many Americans are willing to go with it is pretty concerning. 


    American exceptionalism indeed. 
    They so frequently accuse "the woke left" of being overly insecure and sensitive and unwilling to hear the truth. Keeping in mind that "every accusation is a confession," we should have seen this coming.  "Don't teach actual history because the white kids are snowflakes."




    They were big mad when Dr Seuss' parent company decided to stop publishing a few of their lesser known books... meanwhile they're literally having book burnings in Tennessee. 


    Weird, huh? 
    Pretty sure they decided that on their own as a private company, not due to any pressure campaign coming from the left.  They were cancelling those books themselves because it was what they wanted to do 

    I had never heard of any of those books, and I guarantee they weren’t filling the shelves in conservative households either.  

    You are correct that censoring books or music, or movies as a matter of policy is their thing 

    remember the uproar the Lorax created a decade ago?  It was spun by the right as a green agenda propaganda film brainwashing children.  they obviously boycotted it 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,469
    edited July 8
    mickeyrat said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.


    The deliberate and obvious whitewashing (pun intended) of American history is bad enough in and of itself; that so many Americans are willing to go with it is pretty concerning. 


    American exceptionalism indeed. 
    They so frequently accuse "the woke left" of being overly insecure and sensitive and unwilling to hear the truth. Keeping in mind that "every accusation is a confession," we should have seen this coming.  "Don't teach actual history because the white kids are snowflakes."




    They were big mad when Dr Seuss' parent company decided to stop publishing a few of their lesser known books... meanwhile they're literally having book burnings in Tennessee. 


    Weird, huh? 
    Pretty sure they decided that on their own as a private company, not due to any pressure campaign coming from the left.  They were cancelling those books themselves because it was what they wanted to do 

    I had never heard of any of those books, and I guarantee they weren’t filling the shelves in conservative households either.  

    You are correct that censoring books or music, or movies as a matter of policy is their thing 

    remember the uproar the Lorax created a decade ago?  It was spun by the right as a green agenda propaganda film brainwashing children.  they obviously boycotted it 

    It was 1000% their own decision as a private company, and conservatives 1000% lost their shit, because that's what they do. 






    "Racism doesn't exist, so how could Dr Seuss books be racist??????"        :D  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 33,217
    edited July 8
    mickeyrat said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.


    The deliberate and obvious whitewashing (pun intended) of American history is bad enough in and of itself; that so many Americans are willing to go with it is pretty concerning. 


    American exceptionalism indeed. 
    They so frequently accuse "the woke left" of being overly insecure and sensitive and unwilling to hear the truth. Keeping in mind that "every accusation is a confession," we should have seen this coming.  "Don't teach actual history because the white kids are snowflakes."


    This is incorrect, no?  The Conservatives were offended by Big Bird and Bert and Ernie and the other Muppets.
    that's exactly what it's saying. a derogatory name for liberals coined by (conservatives), pointing out the irony that they are, in fact, the true snowflakes. 
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 4,434
    mickeyrat said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.


    The deliberate and obvious whitewashing (pun intended) of American history is bad enough in and of itself; that so many Americans are willing to go with it is pretty concerning. 


    American exceptionalism indeed. 
    They so frequently accuse "the woke left" of being overly insecure and sensitive and unwilling to hear the truth. Keeping in mind that "every accusation is a confession," we should have seen this coming.  "Don't teach actual history because the white kids are snowflakes."


    This is incorrect, no?  The Conservatives were offended by Big Bird and Bert and Ernie and the other Muppets.
    Liberals get offended by the micro issues. One thing about a particular company 

    conservatives get offended by the macro issues like the existence of racism, Christmas, Gay people, girls sports, not protesting correctly (beating an officer with a flag pole attached to an American flag Vs kneeling before that same flag), and non Christians.  Which then offends liberals 
    The Snowflake Loop?
    That's why "woke" is such a brilliant addition to their narrative. PC, "offended," snowflake swung both ways...now with "woke" it really is just about the stuff that offends the libs and it's OK to be offended by the stuff that offends conservatives.
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited July 8
    OnWis97 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.


    The deliberate and obvious whitewashing (pun intended) of American history is bad enough in and of itself; that so many Americans are willing to go with it is pretty concerning. 


    American exceptionalism indeed. 
    They so frequently accuse "the woke left" of being overly insecure and sensitive and unwilling to hear the truth. Keeping in mind that "every accusation is a confession," we should have seen this coming.  "Don't teach actual history because the white kids are snowflakes."


    This is incorrect, no?  The Conservatives were offended by Big Bird and Bert and Ernie and the other Muppets.
    Liberals get offended by the micro issues. One thing about a particular company 

    conservatives get offended by the macro issues like the existence of racism, Christmas, Gay people, girls sports, not protesting correctly (beating an officer with a flag pole attached to an American flag Vs kneeling before that same flag), and non Christians.  Which then offends liberals 
    The Snowflake Loop?
    That's why "woke" is such a brilliant addition to their narrative. PC, "offended," snowflake swung both ways...now with "woke" it really is just about the stuff that offends the libs and it's OK to be offended by the stuff that offends conservatives.
    It’s also confusing.  If you watch fox and cnn side by side.  Fox is the one complaining about everything. The ones always offended, the ones afraid of the radical left. They are the ones supporting boycotts of companies.  You could ask a random person who has no knowledge of anything in our politics, and they  wouldn’t say the liberals are the overly sensitive bunch 

    Grievance politics isn’t a left wing ideology at all. Fox News Is the real life version of Frank Costanza at festivus.
    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 5,177
    OnWis97 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.


    The deliberate and obvious whitewashing (pun intended) of American history is bad enough in and of itself; that so many Americans are willing to go with it is pretty concerning. 


    American exceptionalism indeed. 
    They so frequently accuse "the woke left" of being overly insecure and sensitive and unwilling to hear the truth. Keeping in mind that "every accusation is a confession," we should have seen this coming.  "Don't teach actual history because the white kids are snowflakes."


    This is incorrect, no?  The Conservatives were offended by Big Bird and Bert and Ernie and the other Muppets.
    Liberals get offended by the micro issues. One thing about a particular company 

    conservatives get offended by the macro issues like the existence of racism, Christmas, Gay people, girls sports, not protesting correctly (beating an officer with a flag pole attached to an American flag Vs kneeling before that same flag), and non Christians.  Which then offends liberals 
    The Snowflake Loop?
    That's why "woke" is such a brilliant addition to their narrative. PC, "offended," snowflake swung both ways...now with "woke" it really is just about the stuff that offends the libs and it's OK to be offended by the stuff that offends conservatives.
    It’s also confusing.  If you watch fox and cnn side by side.  Fox is the one complaining about everything. The ones always offended, the ones afraid of the radical left. They are the ones supporting boycotts of companies.  You could ask a random person who has no knowledge of anything in our politics, and they  wouldn’t say the liberals are the overly sensitive bunch 

    Grievance politics isn’t a left wing ideology at all 

    Fox is keeping their audience hating the left. CNN is in another run of trying to be a centrist news org. Maybe a better comparison is msnbc. They’re always talking about the radical right.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 33,217
    OnWis97 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.


    The deliberate and obvious whitewashing (pun intended) of American history is bad enough in and of itself; that so many Americans are willing to go with it is pretty concerning. 


    American exceptionalism indeed. 
    They so frequently accuse "the woke left" of being overly insecure and sensitive and unwilling to hear the truth. Keeping in mind that "every accusation is a confession," we should have seen this coming.  "Don't teach actual history because the white kids are snowflakes."


    This is incorrect, no?  The Conservatives were offended by Big Bird and Bert and Ernie and the other Muppets.
    Liberals get offended by the micro issues. One thing about a particular company 

    conservatives get offended by the macro issues like the existence of racism, Christmas, Gay people, girls sports, not protesting correctly (beating an officer with a flag pole attached to an American flag Vs kneeling before that same flag), and non Christians.  Which then offends liberals 
    The Snowflake Loop?
    That's why "woke" is such a brilliant addition to their narrative. PC, "offended," snowflake swung both ways...now with "woke" it really is just about the stuff that offends the libs and it's OK to be offended by the stuff that offends conservatives.
    It’s also confusing.  If you watch fox and cnn side by side.  Fox is the one complaining about everything. The ones always offended, the ones afraid of the radical left. They are the ones supporting boycotts of companies.  You could ask a random person who has no knowledge of anything in our politics, and they  wouldn’t say the liberals are the overly sensitive bunch 

    Grievance politics isn’t a left wing ideology at all 

    Fox is keeping their audience hating the left. CNN is in another run of trying to be a centrist news org. Maybe a better comparison is msnbc. They’re always talking about the radical right.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 9,893
    mickeyrat said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.


    The deliberate and obvious whitewashing (pun intended) of American history is bad enough in and of itself; that so many Americans are willing to go with it is pretty concerning. 


    American exceptionalism indeed. 
    They so frequently accuse "the woke left" of being overly insecure and sensitive and unwilling to hear the truth. Keeping in mind that "every accusation is a confession," we should have seen this coming.  "Don't teach actual history because the white kids are snowflakes."


    This is incorrect, no?  The Conservatives were offended by Big Bird and Bert and Ernie and the other Muppets.
    that's exactly what it's saying. a derogatory name for liberals coined by (conservatives), pointing out the irony that they are, in fact, the true snowflakes. 
    Conservatives aka regressives are offended by anything that fuQer Qarlson and the rest of righwingosphere tell them to be offended by.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 26,189
    mickeyrat said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Interesting article, seems good for this thread 
    BLM/protests/woke/George Floyd  all seem to be basically about the same larger problem 


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/opinions/woke-war-united-shades-of-america-kamau-bell/index.html

    Excerpts:
    Do you believe that our schools should teach an accurate and age-appropriate history of the United States of America?
    I hope the answer is "Yes." If it isn't, then we have a problem. Isn't that why we teach history? So we can learn from it? If it isn't accurate, then the learning ceases to happen.
    Just this week in Texas, a group of nine educators is proposing that schools refer to "slavery" as "involuntary relocation." Nope. "Involuntary relocation" is what happened when my mom decided we were going to move from Boston to Chicago without my permission. As much I hated Chicago at first, I wouldn't compare it to slavery. But this is what the GOP wants. They want America to be the hero in every story told about America's past so that America can then be seen as the hero no matter what unheroic deeds America does in the present or the future. In the lexicon of the GOP, America doesn't have "too many mass shootings." It has "occasional involuntary not-alives."

    Critical Race Theory is not about any of that. It is an academic theory of how to look at the law through a racial lens. It asserts that you can't look at the laws in America without considering how America deals with (or doesn't deal with) race. If your child is learning about that in class, then your child is most likely in law school. Not elementary.

    I hate to say it, but this "woke war" is a symbol of so much more. Remember those PSAs that said "The more you know" and had a fun jingle? That's all "woke" is. It's the more you know. The more you know the better you're able to maneuver through this life and understand that the world is not all about you.


    The deliberate and obvious whitewashing (pun intended) of American history is bad enough in and of itself; that so many Americans are willing to go with it is pretty concerning. 


    American exceptionalism indeed. 
    They so frequently accuse "the woke left" of being overly insecure and sensitive and unwilling to hear the truth. Keeping in mind that "every accusation is a confession," we should have seen this coming.  "Don't teach actual history because the white kids are snowflakes."


    This is incorrect, no?  The Conservatives were offended by Big Bird and Bert and Ernie and the other Muppets.
    that's exactly what it's saying. a derogatory name for liberals coined by (conservatives), pointing out the irony that they are, in fact, the true snowflakes. 
    Conservatives aka regressives are offended by anything that fuQer Qarlson and the rest of righwingosphere tell them to be offended by.
    Recently that list includes weed and women.  https://www.thewrap.com/tucker-carlson-blames-feminists-cannabis-and-depression-medication-for-4th-of-july-shooting-video/
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,718
    Anybody else notice how all this shit is just like a catholic missile?  Year A, B C….think you’ve heard the last of someone like Chauvin and just like a Catholic missile here he comes back again.  Just when you think a thread has finally moved to page two it shoots right back to the top of page one again. 


     
    Ex-cop Lane gets 3 years for role in George Floyd's death
    By AMY FORLITI
    Today

    MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A former Minneapolis police officer who was sentenced Wednesday to three years in prison for aiding and abetting manslaughter in the killing of George Floyd became angry when he erroneously thought he might have to register as a predatory offender, saying his role was “minimal” when compared with Derek Chauvin's.

    “I gotta register as a predatory offender? What the (expletive) is that?” Thomas Lane, who pleaded guilty earlier this year to aiding and abetting second-degree manslaughter, said after his sentencing hearing. The hearing was held remotely via video, and Lane made the comment after the judge ended the proceeding, but before the video session ended. Lane added: “That’s what Chauvin has to do. If I have a minimal role, why the (expletive) do I have to do that?”

    Lane's remarks were in response to the judge’s instruction for Lane to register as a predatory offender “if required by law” — something legal experts told The Associated Press is fairly standard language in Minnesota criminal cases, but that neither Lane nor Chauvin would be required to do. Lane's attorney, Earl Gray, told his client he would look into the matter.

    Floyd, 46, died in May 2020 after Chauvin, who is white, pinned him to the ground with a knee on Floyd’s neck as the Black man repeatedly said he couldn’t breathe. Lane, who is white, held down Floyd’s legs. J. Alexander Kueng, who is Black, knelt on Floyd’s back, and Tou Thao, who is Hmong American, kept bystanders from intervening during the 9 1/2-minute restraint.

    The killing, captured on bystander video, sparked protests as part of a worldwide reckoning over racial injustice.

    Lane is already serving a 2 1/2-year federal sentence after being convicted this year of violating Floyd's civil rights, and he appeared at Wednesday's hearing via video from the low-security federal prison camp in Littleton, Colorado.

    As part of his plea agreement in the state case, prosecutors dropped a more serious count of aiding and abetting second-degree unintentional murder. They also said they would seek a sentence of three years and that he could serve it at the same time as the federal one, and in federal custody. That state sentence is below the sentencing guidelines that range between 41 and 57 months.

    Prosecutor Matt Frank said Wednesday that a lower sentence was appropriate because Lane played a “somewhat less culpable role" in Floyd's death, adding, “there were moments when Mr. Lane tried to change what was going on that day.”

    Lane had tried to deescalate the situation and had suggested that the restraint of Floyd could be handled differently, Frank said. Evidence from other trials and court documents shows that Lane twice asked if Floyd should be rolled onto his side to ensure he could breathe. Still, Frank said, these steps “do not relieve him of all responsibility.”

    When Lane pleaded guilty in May, he admitted that he intentionally helped restrain Floyd in a way that he knew created an unreasonable risk and caused his death. He admitted that he heard Floyd say he couldn’t breathe, knew Floyd fell silent, had no pulse and appeared to have lost consciousness.

    In accepting the plea deal on Wednesday, Judge Peter Cahill told Lane, “I think it was a very wise decision for you to accept responsibility and move on with your life.” Cahill also acknowledged that the Floyd family has not been able to move on with theirs.

    Floyd's family said in a statement to the court, which was read by Frank, that the pain of Floyd's death will never go away.

    “Talk about move on? Wow. Really? Me and my family would love to move on, but there’s just not a lot of accountability,” the statement said, adding: “We will always show up for George Floyd, but never move on."

    Minnesota sentencing guidelines were created to establish consistent sentences that are neutral without considering factors such as race or gender. The guidelines say that even though they are advisory, presumptive sentences “are deemed appropriate” and judges should depart from them only when “substantial and compelling circumstances can be identified and articulated.”

    With the state and federal sentences being served at the same time, Lane is likely to spend a total of roughly two years behind bars.

    Under Minnesota rules, it’s presumed that a defendant with good behavior will serve two-thirds of the penalty in prison, which is two years for Lane, minus credit for time served. If he gets credit for good behavior on his federal sentence, he’ll likely end up serving just over two years in custody for that conviction. He reported to the federal prison in Colorado on Aug. 30.

    Chauvin was convicted of murder and manslaughter and was given a 22 1/2-year state sentence in 2021 — a sentence that went above the state guidelines. He also pleaded guilty to a federal count of violating Floyd's civil rights and was sentenced to 21 years on the federal charge. He is serving the sentences concurrently at the Federal Correctional Institution in Tucson, Arizona.

    Kueng and Thao were also convicted on federal civil rights charges and were sentenced to three and 3 1/2 years respectively. They are scheduled to go to trial on state charges of aiding and abetting murder and manslaughter in October.

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    Associated Press writer Steve Karnowski contributed to this report from Minneapolis.

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    Find AP’s full coverage of the killing of George Floyd at: https://apnews.com/hub/death-of-george-floyd


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,718

     
    Ex-Minneapolis cop pleads guilty in George Floyd killing
    By AMY FORLITI
    1 hour ago

    MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A former Minneapolis police officer pleaded guilty Monday to aiding and abetting second-degree manslaughter in the killing of George Floyd just as jury selection was about to begin. Another former officer waived his right to a jury trial, setting up an uncommon process in which both sides agree to the evidence before the judge issues a verdict.

    The plea deal for J. Alexander Kueng calls for 3 1/2 years in prison, with prosecutors agreeing to drop a count of aiding and abetting second-degree murder. Kueng is the second officer to plead guilty to the state charge, following Thomas Lane, who pleaded guilty earlier this year.

    Their former colleague, Tou Thao, rejected a plea deal earlier this year, telling a judge it “would be lying” to accept any such deal. On Monday, he agreed to go forward with a proceeding called a trial by stipulated evidence on one count of aiding and abetting manslaughter. In doing so, he is waiving his rights to a trial by jury and to testify.

    The two sides will work out agreed-upon evidence against Thao and prepare written closing arguments. They will submit those to Judge Peter Cahill by Nov. 17, with Cahill to decide whether he is guilty within 90 days. If convicted of the manslaughter count, Thao would likely get about four years in prison and the aiding and abetting murder charge would be dropped.

    Attorney General Keith Ellison, whose office prosecuted the case, said in a statement that he hopes Keung's guilty plea can bring comfort to Floyd's family and “bring our communities closer to a new era of accountability and justice.” He also said his office is looking forward to a swift resolution of Thao's case, and he thanked the witnesses who were prepared to testify at trial.

    All three were convicted in February on federal counts of willfully violating the civil rights of Floyd, who was Black. Lane was sentenced to 2 1/2 years in the federal case. Kueng was sentenced to three years and Thao was sentenced to 3 1/2, but for some Floyd family members and activists, the penalties were too small.

    Floyd, 46, died May 25, 2020, after Officer Derek Chauvin, who is white, pinned him to the ground with a knee on Floyd’s neck as he repeatedly said he couldn’t breathe. The killing, captured on widely viewed bystander video, sparked protests in Minneapolis and around the globe as part of a reckoning over racial injustice.

    Kueng and Lane helped to restrain Floyd, who was handcuffed. Kueng knelt on Floyd’s back and Lane held down Floyd’s legs. Thao kept bystanders from intervening during the 9 1/2-minute restraint.

    As part of his plea agreement, Kueng admitted that he held Floyd's torso, that he knew from his experience and training that restraining a handcuffed person in a prone position created a substantial risk, and that the restraint of Floyd was unreasonable under the circumstances.

    Kueng's plea called for him to serve his state and federal terms concurrently, just as Lane is doing.

    Rachel Moran, a professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Law, said the stipulated bench trial for Thao is a “creative way” to resolve his case, noting that such trials are uncommon but sometimes happen.

    “The stipulated bench trial allows him to maintain his innocence and to blame the court if he gets found guilty, rather than make any admissions himself,” she said. “On the state's part, they also don't want to go to trial. They are exhausted, their witnesses are exhausted ... they potentially get what they want, which is just a conviction and concurrent prison time, which is all they were looking for.”

    She said the state was creative in leaving the murder charge on the table, so that if Thao is acquitted on the manslaughter charge, the state to still pursue the aiding and abetting murder charge.

    John Baker, a lawyer and assistant professor of criminal justice studies at St. Cloud State University, said stipulated bench trials are fairly common, particularly when there are concerns about getting an unbiased jury and when the case hinges more on a legal question rather than evidentiary issues.

    Baker said Thao's attorney won't contest what happened and that the case will come down to whether Thao knew that Chauvin was committing a crime. “That lends itself more toward a court trial, with the judge making a decision,” he said.

    Chauvin was convicted of state murder and manslaughter charges last year and is currently serving 22 1/2 years in the state case. He also pleaded guilty to a federal charge of violating Floyd’s civil rights and was sentenced to 21 years for that and for an unrelated case involving a 14-year-old boy. He is serving the sentences at the same time at the Federal Correctional Institution in Tucson, Arizona.

    Kueng is Black, Lane is white and Thao is Hmong American. They were convicted of federal charges in February after a trial that focused on their training and the culture of the police department. All three were convicted of depriving Floyd of his right to medical care and Thao and Kueng were also convicted of failing to intervene to stop Chauvin during the killing.

    After their federal sentences, there was a question as to whether Kueng and Thao would proceed to trial, with legal experts saying it was likely they'd seek a plea deal with the state that would not exceed the federal sentence and allow them to serve both sentences at the same time.

    State sentencing guidelines for a person with no criminal record, like Kueng, call for a range from about 3 1/2 years to four years and nine months in prison for second-degree unintentional manslaughter. The presumptive sentence is four years.

    If Kueng had been convicted of aiding and abetting second-degree murder, he would have faced a presumptive 12 1/2 years in prison.

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    Find AP’s full coverage of the death of George Floyd at: https://apnews.com/hub/death-of-george-floyd


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