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to a justice, adherance to stare decisis
Definition of stare decisis
: a doctrine or policy of following rules or principles laid down in previous judicial decisions unless they contravene the ordinary principles of justice
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I’m sure they did lie, and that they thought if this case ever came before them they’d vote this way.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I don’t see how that is possible. For one, don’t they discuss and debate these topics? All they’d have to say is that is what they believed when questioned, but changed their opinion during the process of the case.HughFreakingDillon said:impeach all those that lied under questioning during confirmation hearings.all of them spoke of respecting the precedent. this decision does the opposite and based on flawed history.so yeah. they lied.
But my point was it’s impossible to prove that when all the defense needs to be was they changed their mind during the deliberations of this case. How could you prove that isn’t the case?Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?0
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mace1229 said:And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?
lying under oath? right. have a nice day.
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Exactlymickeyrat said:mace1229 said:And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?
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The lengths some will go to defend the indefensible. It’s partly why POOTWH was elected and why we have so many nut jobs in congress. And on the courts.
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So then tell me, how would you prove specifically that they lied and didn’t just have a change of opinion during the course of deliberations? Because that is exactly the point and the job of the Supreme Court. To hear arguments in a case, listen the the evidence, reasoning and claims of the parties involved and then have a conference to deliberate before coming to a vote.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?
lying under oath? right. have a nice day.
So how would you prove, to the point of proving perjury and impeaching a judge, that they lied and that the designed process actually had no impact? That’s not a rhetorical question, I’d like to know for those of you questioning it and claiming some will defend the indefensible. How do you prove that?
I already said I believe they did lie and knew how they’d vote. But that’s almost impossible to prove. Like to hear how you’d do it.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
I'd totally pull a Tom Cruise. That's how I'd do it.mace1229 said:
So then tell me, how would you prove specifically that they lied and didn’t just have a change of opinion during the course of deliberations? Because that is exactly the point and the job of the Supreme Court. To hear arguments in a case, listen the the evidence, reasoning and claims of the parties involved and then have a conference to deliberate before coming to a vote.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?
lying under oath? right. have a nice day.
So how would you prove, to the point of proving perjury and impeaching a judge, that they lied and that the designed process actually had no impact? That’s not a rhetorical question, I’d like to know for those of you questioning it and claiming some will defend the indefensible. How do you prove that?
I already said I believe they did lie and knew how they’d vote. But that’s almost impossible to prove. Like to hear how you’d do it.
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Join the church of Scientology and star in military propaganda films?mrussel1 said:
I'd totally pull a Tom Cruise. That's how I'd do it.mace1229 said:
So then tell me, how would you prove specifically that they lied and didn’t just have a change of opinion during the course of deliberations? Because that is exactly the point and the job of the Supreme Court. To hear arguments in a case, listen the the evidence, reasoning and claims of the parties involved and then have a conference to deliberate before coming to a vote.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?
lying under oath? right. have a nice day.
So how would you prove, to the point of proving perjury and impeaching a judge, that they lied and that the designed process actually had no impact? That’s not a rhetorical question, I’d like to know for those of you questioning it and claiming some will defend the indefensible. How do you prove that?
I already said I believe they did lie and knew how they’d vote. But that’s almost impossible to prove. Like to hear how you’d do it.Scio me nihil scire
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Well if you want to be a drag about it, yeah.static111 said:
Join the church of Scientology and star in military propaganda films?mrussel1 said:
I'd totally pull a Tom Cruise. That's how I'd do it.mace1229 said:
So then tell me, how would you prove specifically that they lied and didn’t just have a change of opinion during the course of deliberations? Because that is exactly the point and the job of the Supreme Court. To hear arguments in a case, listen the the evidence, reasoning and claims of the parties involved and then have a conference to deliberate before coming to a vote.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?
lying under oath? right. have a nice day.
So how would you prove, to the point of proving perjury and impeaching a judge, that they lied and that the designed process actually had no impact? That’s not a rhetorical question, I’d like to know for those of you questioning it and claiming some will defend the indefensible. How do you prove that?
I already said I believe they did lie and knew how they’d vote. But that’s almost impossible to prove. Like to hear how you’d do it.
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You can’t handle the truth!mrussel1 said:
Well if you want to be a drag about it, yeah.static111 said:
Join the church of Scientology and star in military propaganda films?mrussel1 said:
I'd totally pull a Tom Cruise. That's how I'd do it.mace1229 said:
So then tell me, how would you prove specifically that they lied and didn’t just have a change of opinion during the course of deliberations? Because that is exactly the point and the job of the Supreme Court. To hear arguments in a case, listen the the evidence, reasoning and claims of the parties involved and then have a conference to deliberate before coming to a vote.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?
lying under oath? right. have a nice day.
So how would you prove, to the point of proving perjury and impeaching a judge, that they lied and that the designed process actually had no impact? That’s not a rhetorical question, I’d like to know for those of you questioning it and claiming some will defend the indefensible. How do you prove that?
I already said I believe they did lie and knew how they’d vote. But that’s almost impossible to prove. Like to hear how you’d do it.Scio me nihil scire
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mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?
lying under oath? right. have a nice day.
It couldn’t be any less complicated.0 -
He could simply say at the time that was his opinion. Mace is correct, you can't prove it well enough to convince 66 senators. It's wishful thinking. There's nothing that can be done about the two justices other than some shallow hand wringing from Collins, Murkowski and Manchin, which is what we have.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?
lying under oath? right. have a nice day.
It couldn’t be any less complicated.0 -
I’m aware nothing can be done.mrussel1 said:
He could simply say at the time that was his opinion. Mace is correct, you can't prove it well enough to convince 66 senators. It's wishful thinking. There's nothing that can be done about the two justices other than some shallow hand wringing from Collins, Murkowski and Manchin, which is what we have.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?
lying under oath? right. have a nice day.
It couldn’t be any less complicated.They would lie about having lied, and there’s nothing that can be done about it. These lying Christo-fascists justices have lifetime appointments and there’s nothing that can be done about it.0 -
The house could hold impeachment hearings and impeach them to sully their reputations and their legacies but there’s not enough time. The house could subpoena any documents related to their views on abortion, call witnesses and pore through their statements, expressed views in public on the issue and previous legal opinions. The idea that they suddenly changed their opinion after what they said during their confirmation hearings and personal interviews because of the arguments put before the court and the legal opinion they signed onto is poppycock and disingenuous. If you believe what Mace is selling, I’ve got a bridge you might be interested in.mrussel1 said:
He could simply say at the time that was his opinion. Mace is correct, you can't prove it well enough to convince 66 senators. It's wishful thinking. There's nothing that can be done about the two justices other than some shallow hand wringing from Collins, Murkowski and Manchin, which is what we have.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?
lying under oath? right. have a nice day.
It couldn’t be any less complicated.
Still doesn’t mean they’d be convicted because all of those white male cons believe the same thing. And they still wouldn’t vote to convict if SCJs were on tape saying they’ll overturn Roe before they even hear arguments.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Hide in the closet?mrussel1 said:
I'd totally pull a Tom Cruise. That's how I'd do it.mace1229 said:
So then tell me, how would you prove specifically that they lied and didn’t just have a change of opinion during the course of deliberations? Because that is exactly the point and the job of the Supreme Court. To hear arguments in a case, listen the the evidence, reasoning and claims of the parties involved and then have a conference to deliberate before coming to a vote.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?
lying under oath? right. have a nice day.
So how would you prove, to the point of proving perjury and impeaching a judge, that they lied and that the designed process actually had no impact? That’s not a rhetorical question, I’d like to know for those of you questioning it and claiming some will defend the indefensible. How do you prove that?
I already said I believe they did lie and knew how they’d vote. But that’s almost impossible to prove. Like to hear how you’d do it.
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Hide in the closet?mrussel1 said:
I'd totally pull a Tom Cruise. That's how I'd do it.mace1229 said:
So then tell me, how would you prove specifically that they lied and didn’t just have a change of opinion during the course of deliberations? Because that is exactly the point and the job of the Supreme Court. To hear arguments in a case, listen the the evidence, reasoning and claims of the parties involved and then have a conference to deliberate before coming to a vote.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?
lying under oath? right. have a nice day.
So how would you prove, to the point of proving perjury and impeaching a judge, that they lied and that the designed process actually had no impact? That’s not a rhetorical question, I’d like to know for those of you questioning it and claiming some will defend the indefensible. How do you prove that?
I already said I believe they did lie and knew how they’d vote. But that’s almost impossible to prove. Like to hear how you’d do it.0 -
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The house could hold impeachment hearings and impeach them to sully their reputations and their legacies but there’s not enough time. The house could subpoena any documents related to their views on abortion, call witnesses and pore through their statements, expressed views in public on the issue and previous legal opinions. The idea that they suddenly changed their opinion after what they said during their confirmation hearings and personal interviews because of the arguments put before the court and the legal opinion they signed onto is poppycock and disingenuous. If you believe what Mace is selling, I’ve got a bridge you might be interested in.mrussel1 said:
He could simply say at the time that was his opinion. Mace is correct, you can't prove it well enough to convince 66 senators. It's wishful thinking. There's nothing that can be done about the two justices other than some shallow hand wringing from Collins, Murkowski and Manchin, which is what we have.Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:And I wouldn’t want a system where that’s all it took to impeach a judge and fill them in with your own picks. Otherwise, the first time Brown mentions the difference between a man and a women she gets impeached and replaced?
lying under oath? right. have a nice day.
It couldn’t be any less complicated.
Still doesn’t mean they’d be convicted because all of those white male cons believe the same thing. And they still wouldn’t vote to convict if SCJs were on tape saying they’ll overturn Roe before they even hear arguments.What they can do is win elections every year, eliminate the filibuster, and add justices to the court. Only problem is Dems don’t like voting, and like minded independents would rather treat elections like a popularity contest.
looking at some of the protests outside the Court yesterday, especially the picture posted here earlier with AP article, it’ll never happen. When there is more crowd density at a Marlins batting practice than a SCOTUS protest, you know you are on the perpetually losing side. #SorryHilary.0 -
Elizabeth Warren is promoting the idea expanding the Supreme Court. Biden is against the idea. WHY???
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Where does the expansion end?brianlux said:Elizabeth Warren is promoting the idea expanding the Supreme Court. Biden is against the idea. WHY???0
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