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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    private schools shouldn't get public funds. full stop. religious or not. 
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,840
    Seems like the wrong path was to ever offer vouchers for private school. Screw that. Provide public school. If parents want different, pay for it.

    Tax payers $ leaving the public school system for a for private school is not good IMO 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    bootlegger10 said:
    I haven’t read the rulings, but to me a school is a school.  I get one school may have a religious focus in some aspects (so science may be different), but on the whole I would guess the private religious schools provide a great education overall in line with non-religious based schools.  

    To me this is not about separation of church and state but really is more of a question of why one school can get funding and another cannot.  If a good school happens to be part of the catholic diocese, and can’t get vouchers like an equally good private school next door, then there is a question of whether there is religious freedom.  You are punishing religion in this case.  

    I hate rulings on party lines like this.  It makes me think that (on both sides) the law is not being evaluated but personal opinions and activism is involved.  
    Well the argument is straightforward.. the gov't should not be providing tax payer dollars for religious education.  This case shows a tension between two bedrock principles: right to free exercise and the separation of church and state.  The court's conservative justices favor one provision over the other.  The liberal justices did the opposite.  
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,250
    cincybearcat said:
    Seems like the wrong path was to ever offer vouchers for private school. Screw that. Provide public school. If parents want different, pay for it.

    Tax payers $ leaving the public school system for a for private school is not good IMO 
    Totally agree. This whole voucher bullshit was meant to weaken public schools. I'm sure it was thought up by some rich douchebag that couldn't stand the fact that his real estate taxes were high because of school funding which cut into their tuition payments for private school.

    The whole idea creates increased costs for public schools by increasing the per student cost of infrastructure and other costs.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,840
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Seems like the wrong path was to ever offer vouchers for private school. Screw that. Provide public school. If parents want different, pay for it.

    Tax payers $ leaving the public school system for a for private school is not good IMO 
    Totally agree. This whole voucher bullshit was meant to weaken public schools. I'm sure it was thought up by some rich douchebag that couldn't stand the fact that his real estate taxes were high because of school funding which cut into their tuition payments for private school.

    The whole idea creates increased costs for public schools by increasing the per student cost of infrastructure and other costs.
    I can understand the good thought behind it...allow parents to send their kids to a different school if their public school is shit and not have to foot the entire bill....but of course, it seems the bad outweighs the good on this one. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Seems like the wrong path was to ever offer vouchers for private school. Screw that. Provide public school. If parents want different, pay for it.

    Tax payers $ leaving the public school system for a for private school is not good IMO 
    Totally agree. This whole voucher bullshit was meant to weaken public schools. I'm sure it was thought up by some rich douchebag that couldn't stand the fact that his real estate taxes were high because of school funding which cut into their tuition payments for private school.

    The whole idea creates increased costs for public schools by increasing the per student cost of infrastructure and other costs.
    No, the issue with Maine is that there are some rural districts without public education.  So they created a program to provide funding for private schools that were available, but excluded religious schools.  So it was not a simple question.  
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited June 2022
    The SCOTUS has become everything it was meant to combat. It is completely broken. The entire thing should be torn down, the justices dismissed, and the entire process of establishing it needs to be rewritten from scratch so that the SCOTUS is non-partisan, and the justices can actually make decisions they way they are sworn to. If that isn't done, the SCOTUS is just a contributor to America's scary decline.

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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,250
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Seems like the wrong path was to ever offer vouchers for private school. Screw that. Provide public school. If parents want different, pay for it.

    Tax payers $ leaving the public school system for a for private school is not good IMO 
    Totally agree. This whole voucher bullshit was meant to weaken public schools. I'm sure it was thought up by some rich douchebag that couldn't stand the fact that his real estate taxes were high because of school funding which cut into their tuition payments for private school.

    The whole idea creates increased costs for public schools by increasing the per student cost of infrastructure and other costs.
    No, the issue with Maine is that there are some rural districts without public education.  So they created a program to provide funding for private schools that were available, but excluded religious schools.  So it was not a simple question.  
    My comment was related more to vouchers overall rather than Maine...I should have pointed that out. The Maine argument makes sense if public schools weren't available. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    Gern Blansten said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Seems like the wrong path was to ever offer vouchers for private school. Screw that. Provide public school. If parents want different, pay for it.

    Tax payers $ leaving the public school system for a for private school is not good IMO 
    Totally agree. This whole voucher bullshit was meant to weaken public schools. I'm sure it was thought up by some rich douchebag that couldn't stand the fact that his real estate taxes were high because of school funding which cut into their tuition payments for private school.

    The whole idea creates increased costs for public schools by increasing the per student cost of infrastructure and other costs.
    No, the issue with Maine is that there are some rural districts without public education.  So they created a program to provide funding for private schools that were available, but excluded religious schools.  So it was not a simple question.  
    My comment was related more to vouchers overall rather than Maine...I should have pointed that out. The Maine argument makes sense if public schools weren't available. 
    Yes I agree that vouchers are an issue.  I don't like taking money from public education.  
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,840
    PJ_Soul said:
    The SCOTUS has become everything it was meant to combat. It is completely broken. The entire thing should be torn down, the justices dismissed, and the entire process of establishing it needs to be rewritten from scratch so that the SCOTUS is non-partisan, and the justices can actually make decisions they way they are sworn to. If that isn't done, the SCOTUS is just a contributor to America's scary decline.

    I don't see anything from this decision that would show what you are saying.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    The SCOTUS has become everything it was meant to combat. It is completely broken. The entire thing should be torn down, the justices dismissed, and the entire process of establishing it needs to be rewritten from scratch so that the SCOTUS is non-partisan, and the justices can actually make decisions they way they are sworn to. If that isn't done, the SCOTUS is just a contributor to America's scary decline.

    I don't see anything from this decision that would show what you are saying.
    I wasn't even thinking about the decision you guys have been discussing - you mean the schools in Maine thing, right? I haven't really put any thought into that - haven't had time to read the details about it.
    My comment was a general one for the SCOTUS thread.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,196
    when is ginni thomas going to receive a subpoena?

    if this was the husband of RBG the right would have their hair on fire over it.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,531
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    when is ginni thomas going to receive a subpoena?

    if this was the husband of RBG the right would have their hair on fire over it.

    subpoena comes if they dont sit voluntarily. She claims she is willing..... its being worked out. See the Jan 6 Committee thread....
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,196

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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    Did anyone ever think that this would turn out to be the most extreme branch of US government? 

    Seriously, who picked SCOTUS as the HBIC in their grade school textbook branch triumvirate diagrams?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    dankind said:
    Did anyone ever think that this would turn out to be the most extreme branch of US government? 

    Seriously, who picked SCOTUS as the HBIC in their grade school textbook branch triumvirate diagrams?
    Back to the antebellum age.
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,259
    Sad day 
  • stuckinline
    stuckinline Posts: 3,406
    edited June 2022
    It is a sad sad day for the United States.
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    IMO, each presidential term should come with a Supreme Court nomination with some sort of safeguard that congress cannot simply block every attempt and they need to agree on something.  Its appalling that a 1-term president who lost the popular vote was able to select 40% of the court and shape our laws long-term.

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