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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,360
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I found that one in VG+ condition last year. Had to create the listing for my copy on Discogs. Great record imo. 

    you got that right.
    Yours looks like the same copy, (Fantasy 3245).  On my copy Side 1 is labelled as Side 2 on the record and Side 2 is labelled as Side 1. 
    The sleeve has the correct listing.  I put that in the notes on Discogs. I should probably add misprint in the description.

    Shows their are four other owners now. 

    huh. will check later.  saw side 1 and didnt check track listing.
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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  • Cropduster-80
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879

    Beautiful.  Love this record and the recording is out of this world.  You do need a good setup because some could consider this recording "hot".
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    mrussel1 said:

    Beautiful.  Love this record and the recording is out of this world.  You do need a good setup because some could consider this recording "hot".
    Sounds great 

    It’s got to be a gain issue as a 5mv cart at 40db gain it’s going to be hot

    ive got a 3mv cart and at 46 it’s borderline hot, at 40 it isn’t but the KAB calculator says my carts ideal gain is 41.  My cart is fairly low output for a MM and 40 is the lowest gain setting on my phono preamp so I would have to think most carts would be hot, especially 5mv which seems to be the normal mm output 

    that’s my theory anyway 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mrussel1 said:

    Beautiful.  Love this record and the recording is out of this world.  You do need a good setup because some could consider this recording "hot".
    Sounds great 

    It’s got to be a gain issue as a 5mv cart at 40db gain it’s going to be hot

    ive got a 3mv cart and at 46 it’s borderline hot, at 40 it isn’t but the KAB calculator says my carts ideal gain is 41.  My cart is fairly low output for a MM and 40 is the lowest gain setting on my phono preamp so I would have to think most carts would be hot, especially 5mv which seems to be the normal mm output 

    that’s my theory anyway 
    Probably right.  When I bought it,  I had a Ort Blue and it was right at the edge of hot.  Now I have a Hana SL MC which is. 5mv and it sounds perfect. 
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited June 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:

    Beautiful.  Love this record and the recording is out of this world.  You do need a good setup because some could consider this recording "hot".
    Sounds great 

    It’s got to be a gain issue as a 5mv cart at 40db gain it’s going to be hot

    ive got a 3mv cart and at 46 it’s borderline hot, at 40 it isn’t but the KAB calculator says my carts ideal gain is 41.  My cart is fairly low output for a MM and 40 is the lowest gain setting on my phono preamp so I would have to think most carts would be hot, especially 5mv which seems to be the normal mm output 

    that’s my theory anyway 
    Probably right.  When I bought it,  I had a Ort Blue and it was right at the edge of hot.  Now I have a Hana SL MC which is. 5mv and it sounds perfect. 
    Non replaceable stylus is probably what’s keeping me from taking the mc plunge.

    with my luck I’d get it set up and damage the stylus.  Plus my tonearm is one piece which I regret now so I’ve really got to be a one cart person
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,360
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:

    Beautiful.  Love this record and the recording is out of this world.  You do need a good setup because some could consider this recording "hot".
    Sounds great 

    It’s got to be a gain issue as a 5mv cart at 40db gain it’s going to be hot

    ive got a 3mv cart and at 46 it’s borderline hot, at 40 it isn’t but the KAB calculator says my carts ideal gain is 41.  My cart is fairly low output for a MM and 40 is the lowest gain setting on my phono preamp so I would have to think most carts would be hot, especially 5mv which seems to be the normal mm output 

    that’s my theory anyway 
    Probably right.  When I bought it,  I had a Ort Blue and it was right at the edge of hot.  Now I have a Hana SL MC which is. 5mv and it sounds perfect. 
    Non replaceable stylus is probably what’s keeping me from taking the mc plunge.

    with my luck I’d get it set up and damage the stylus.  Plus my tonearm is one piece which I regret now so I’ve really got to be a one cart person

    sounds like an excuse to buy a new turntable if you ask me. You didnt ask, so I offered.......
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:

    Beautiful.  Love this record and the recording is out of this world.  You do need a good setup because some could consider this recording "hot".
    Sounds great 

    It’s got to be a gain issue as a 5mv cart at 40db gain it’s going to be hot

    ive got a 3mv cart and at 46 it’s borderline hot, at 40 it isn’t but the KAB calculator says my carts ideal gain is 41.  My cart is fairly low output for a MM and 40 is the lowest gain setting on my phono preamp so I would have to think most carts would be hot, especially 5mv which seems to be the normal mm output 

    that’s my theory anyway 
    Probably right.  When I bought it,  I had a Ort Blue and it was right at the edge of hot.  Now I have a Hana SL MC which is. 5mv and it sounds perfect. 
    Non replaceable stylus is probably what’s keeping me from taking the mc plunge.

    with my luck I’d get it set up and damage the stylus.  Plus my tonearm is one piece which I regret now so I’ve really got to be a one cart person

    sounds like an excuse to buy a new turntable if you ask me. You didnt ask, so I offered.......
    As soon as I started upgrading my records to more AP stuff the thought has crossed my mind. It’s a viscous cycle.  This turntable is only about 6 months old and I haven’t thought of a way to explain why I need a new one to my wife yet 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,360
    edited June 2022
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:

    Beautiful.  Love this record and the recording is out of this world.  You do need a good setup because some could consider this recording "hot".
    Sounds great 

    It’s got to be a gain issue as a 5mv cart at 40db gain it’s going to be hot

    ive got a 3mv cart and at 46 it’s borderline hot, at 40 it isn’t but the KAB calculator says my carts ideal gain is 41.  My cart is fairly low output for a MM and 40 is the lowest gain setting on my phono preamp so I would have to think most carts would be hot, especially 5mv which seems to be the normal mm output 

    that’s my theory anyway 
    Probably right.  When I bought it,  I had a Ort Blue and it was right at the edge of hot.  Now I have a Hana SL MC which is. 5mv and it sounds perfect. 
    Non replaceable stylus is probably what’s keeping me from taking the mc plunge.

    with my luck I’d get it set up and damage the stylus.  Plus my tonearm is one piece which I regret now so I’ve really got to be a one cart person

    sounds like an excuse to buy a new turntable if you ask me. You didnt ask, so I offered.......
    As soon as I started upgrading my records to more AP stuff the thought has crossed my mind. It’s a viscous cycle.  This turntable is only about 6 months old and I haven’t thought of a way to explain why I need a new one to my wife yet 

    have heard its easier to ask forgivess than it is permission.....


    explained my og cover gnr appetite purchase as an investment.........

    was just questioned why I have 7 tt in the basement....... ok honey one of those doesnt belong to me.......
    Post edited by mickeyrat on
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    edited June 2022


    The reissue is fine, I still think a little thin, with not as much depth as the OG. Reissue is more clear, not as warm as the OG. I keep going back and forth, which is taking a while, but I prefer the overall sound of the OG, but QC aside, the reissue is good.

    To me the track that really shows the difference is Given to Fly. The music envelopes you on the OG, the reissue is good, but definitely more clinical sounding. Elderly woman also has the same overly clinical representation on the reissue. One of the better tracks on the reissue is Red Mosquito which delivers more depth but with almost hints of sibilance where the OG is a much smoother ride. The bottom end is also much more prominent on Better Man on the OG, not that the reissue is bad just thinner. You can feel it when Jeff initially comes in and it really adds to the overall presence.
    Post edited by MedozK on
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    MedozK said:


    The reissue is fine, I still think a little thin, with not as much depth as the OG. Reissue is more clear, not as warm as the OG. I keep going back and forth, which is taking a while, but I prefer the overall sound of the OG, but QC aside, the reissue is good.

    To me the track that really shows the difference is Given to Fly. The music envelopes you on the OG, the reissue is good, but definitely more clinical sounding. Elderly woman also has the same overly clinical representation on the reissue. One of the better tracks on the reissue is Red Mosquito which delivers more depth but with almost hints of sibilance where the OG is a much smoother ride. The bottom end is also much more prominent on Better Man on the OG, not that the reissue is bad just thinner. You can feel it when Jeff initially comes in and it really adds to the overall presence.
    Thanks for this! I asked for your results on another thread… just had to go looking for it. 
    I ordered the gold US pressing, assuming it’s United and will look for a euro cut when I’m in London for the Hyde Park shows 
  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    MedozK said:


    The reissue is fine, I still think a little thin, with not as much depth as the OG. Reissue is more clear, not as warm as the OG. I keep going back and forth, which is taking a while, but I prefer the overall sound of the OG, but QC aside, the reissue is good.

    To me the track that really shows the difference is Given to Fly. The music envelopes you on the OG, the reissue is good, but definitely more clinical sounding. Elderly woman also has the same overly clinical representation on the reissue. One of the better tracks on the reissue is Red Mosquito which delivers more depth but with almost hints of sibilance where the OG is a much smoother ride. The bottom end is also much more prominent on Better Man on the OG, not that the reissue is bad just thinner. You can feel it when Jeff initially comes in and it really adds to the overall presence.
    Thanks for this! I asked for your results on another thread… just had to go looking for it. 
    I ordered the gold US pressing, assuming it’s United and will look for a euro cut when I’m in London for the Hyde Park shows 
    Nice, have fun in London.
  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212

  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    MedozK said:
    MedozK said:


    The reissue is fine, I still think a little thin, with not as much depth as the OG. Reissue is more clear, not as warm as the OG. I keep going back and forth, which is taking a while, but I prefer the overall sound of the OG, but QC aside, the reissue is good.

    To me the track that really shows the difference is Given to Fly. The music envelopes you on the OG, the reissue is good, but definitely more clinical sounding. Elderly woman also has the same overly clinical representation on the reissue. One of the better tracks on the reissue is Red Mosquito which delivers more depth but with almost hints of sibilance where the OG is a much smoother ride. The bottom end is also much more prominent on Better Man on the OG, not that the reissue is bad just thinner. You can feel it when Jeff initially comes in and it really adds to the overall presence.
    Thanks for this! I asked for your results on another thread… just had to go looking for it. 
    I ordered the gold US pressing, assuming it’s United and will look for a euro cut when I’m in London for the Hyde Park shows 
    Nice, have fun in London.
    You know it!
  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212

    Muddy Waters - Hard Again
    2010 Reissue, Kevin Gray cut
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    MedozK said:

    I passed on this, but wonder if you had the old one and have an opinion whether the MOFI is significantly better.

    Also, you don't use your clamp?  I have become a fan of it. 
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    I’m a big fan of my clamp. If you aren’t using a slip mat it’s pretty much mandatory for me.  I’m a bit hesitant to use weights though 

    that turntable with the threaded spindle is awesome. My clamp is just friction based on a normal spindle 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    I’m a big fan of my clamp. If you aren’t using a slip mat it’s pretty much mandatory for me.  I’m a bit hesitant to use weights though 

    that turntable with the threaded spindle is awesome. My clamp is just friction based on a normal spindle 
    Yes, Medoz and I have the same table.  I play it without a mat and with the clamp.  It's a heavy steel one and it takes care of warps.  For example, the LO2L is warped out of the sleeve but with the clamp, it's perfect. 
  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    edited June 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    MedozK said:

    I passed on this, but wonder if you had the old one and have an opinion whether the MOFI is significantly better.

    Also, you don't use your clamp?  I have become a fan of it. 
    I usually use the clamp if I have to deal with a slight warp. I need to really listen for a difference when using it. I have heard a lot about how the clamp will actually enhance the sound.

    I have the Bellman cut also. This 45RPM is the one to have.
  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,069