Capitol Riots 2

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    No wonder all those Watergate references of late. What is that about projection? Again?

    The text exchanges with Thomas that Meadows provided to the House select committee pause after Nov. 24, 2020, with an unexplained gap in correspondence. The committee received one additional message sent by Thomas to Meadows, on Jan. 10, four days after the “Stop the Steal” rally Thomas said she attended and the deadly attack on the Capitol.
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    A true, god-loving, patriotic American. 
    Next stop...focksnooze talking head

    A Jan. 6 Capitol riot suspect wanted by the FBI was granted refugee status in Belarus https://www.npr.org/2022/03/23/1088205226/evan-neumann-jan-6-insurrection-suspect-refugee-belarus-asylum?sc=18&f=1088205226
    i guess he could not handle the 21 day jail sentence he most likely would have gotten had he gone to trial...
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,380
    No wonder all those Watergate references of late. What is that about projection? Again?

    The text exchanges with Thomas that Meadows provided to the House select committee pause after Nov. 24, 2020, with an unexplained gap in correspondence. The committee received one additional message sent by Thomas to Meadows, on Jan. 10, four days after the “Stop the Steal” rally Thomas said she attended and the deadly attack on the Capitol.
    they probably used burner phones for subsequent texts.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,513
    Clearly a great American patriot...

    A Jan. 6 Capitol riot suspect wanted by the FBI was granted refugee status in Belarus https://www.npr.org/2022/03/23/1088205226/evan-neumann-jan-6-insurrection-suspect-refugee-belarus-asylum?sc=18&f=1088205226
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,513
    US Capitol rioter who said he believed he was following Trump's orders found guilty
  • mickeyrat
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    Jurors reject array of defenses at Capitol riot trials
    By MICHAEL KUNZELMAN
    Today

    Jurors have heard — and rejected — an array of excuses and arguments from the first rioters to be tried for storming the U.S. Capitol. The next jury to get a Capitol riot case could hear another novel defense this week at the trial of a retired New York City police officer.

    Thomas Webster, a 20-year veteran of the NYPD, has claimed he was acting in self-defense when he tackled a police officer who was trying to protect the Capitol from a mob on Jan. 6, 2021. Webster's lawyer also has argued that he was exercising his First Amendment free speech rights when he shouted profanities at police that day.

    Webster, 56, will be the fourth Capitol riot defendant to get a jury trial. Each has presented a distinct line of defense.

    An Ohio man who stole a coat rack from a Capitol office testified he was “following presidential orders” from Donald Trump. An off-duty police officer from Virginia claimed he only entered the Capitol to retrieve a fellow officer. A lawyer for a Texas man who confronted Capitol police accused prosecutors of rushing to judgment against somebody prone to exaggerating.

    Those defenses didn't sway the juries at their respective trials. Collectively, a total of 36 jurors unanimously convicted the three rioters of all 17 counts in their indictments.

    Webster faces the same fate if a federal judge's blistering words are any guide. U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta, who will preside over Webster's trial, has described his videotaped conduct as “among the most indefensible and reprehensible” that the judge has seen among Jan. 6 cases, with “no real defense for it.”

    “You were a police officer and you should have known better,” Mehta told Webster during a bond hearing last June, according to a transcript.

    But a dozen jurors, not the judge, will decide the case against Webster, a U.S. Marine Corps veteran who retired from the NYPD in 2011. Jury selection is scheduled to start on Monday.

    A wealth of video evidence and self-incriminating behavior by riot defendants has given prosecutors the upper hand in many cases. Mary McCord, a Georgetown University Law Center professor and former Justice Department official, said jurors often won't have to rely on witness testimony or circumstantial evidence because videos captured much of the violence and destruction on Jan. 6.

    “When I was a prosecutor trying cases, I would have loved to have had cases where the entire crime was on video. That just doesn’t happen that often. But for jurors, it can be very powerful,” she said.

    Webster's trial is the sixth overall. In a pair of bench trials, a different federal judge heard testimony without a jury before acquitting one defendant and partially acquitting another.

    U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden, a Trump nominee who acquitted Matthew Martin of all charges, said it was reasonable for the New Mexico man to believe that police allowed him to enter the Capitol. In the first bench trial, McFadden convicted New Mexico elected official Couy Griffin of illegally entering restricted Capitol grounds but acquitted him of engaging in disorderly conduct.

    Stephen Saltzburg, a George Washington Law School professor and former Justice Department official, said it may be difficult for prosecutors to secure convictions against defendants who merely entered the Capitol and didn’t exhibit any violent or destructive behavior.

    “I think the people with the best chances are those who say, ‘I was just there and I got swept up with everybody else.’ The government is going to have to have some way to show there’s more than that or the government will lose," Saltzburg said.

    Webster brought a gun and a Marine Corps flag attached to a metal pole when he traveled alone to Washington from his home in Florida, New York, a village approximately 70 miles northwest of New York City. He wore his NYPD-issued bulletproof vest but says he left the pistol in his hotel room when he headed to the Jan. 6 rally where Trump spoke.

    Police body camera video captured Webster’s confrontation outside the Capitol with a line of officers, including one identified only as “Officer N.R.” in court papers.

    The unnamed Metropolitan Police Department officer described the encounter in a written statement. The officer said Webster swung the flagpole at him in a downward chopping motion, hitting a metal barricade, then charged at him with clenched fists.

    “He pushed me to the ground and attempted to violently tear away my gas mask and ballistic helmet. This caused me to choke and gasp for air before another participant at the riot helped me to my feet,” the officer wrote.

    The officer said he retreated behind a police line after Webster pinned him to the ground.

    “His actions, attack and targeted assault caused me to fear for my life and could have easily left my wife and two small children without a husband and father,” the officer wrote.

    Defense attorney James Monroe has claimed the unnamed officer gestured toward Webster, “inviting him to engage in a fight,” before reaching over a police barrier and punching Webster in his face. Webster "used that amount of force he reasonably believed necessary to protect himself" by tackling the officer to the ground, Monroe said in a court filing.

    Mehta, however, said the video doesn't show Webster getting punched in the face. The judge described Webster as an instigator.

    “It was his conduct that sort of broke the dam, at least in that area,” Mehta added.

    Webster, now a self-employed landscaper, enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1985, was honorably discharged in 1989 and joined the NYPD in 1991. His department service included a stint on then-Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s private security detail.

    Monroe claimed “Officer N.R.” had reached over a metal barrier and pushed a “peaceful” man who was blinded by pepper spray.

    “As a former U.S. Marine and a member of law enforcement, Mr. Webster’s moral instinct was to protect the innocent,” Monroe wrote.

    Assistant U.S. Attorney Hava Mirell has argued that Webster should be held to a higher standard given his professional experience.

    “If he were there to protect the innocent, then he should have been fending other rioters off from the barricade, not the other way around,” Mirell said at the bond hearing.

    Webster faces six counts, including assaulting, resisting or impeding an officer using a dangerous weapon. He's the first Capitol riot defendant to be tried on an assault charge. He isn't accused of entering the Capitol.

    More than 780 people have been charged with riot-related federal crimes. The Justice Department says over 245 of them have been charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement. More than 250 riot defendants have pleaded guilty, mostly to nonviolent misdemeanors.

    Jurors convicted two rioters of interfering with officers. One of them, Thomas Robertson, was an off-duty police officer from Rocky Mount, Virginia. The other, Texas resident Guy Wesley Reffitt, also was convicted of storming the Capitol with a holstered handgun.

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  • mickeyrat
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    Oath Keeper details pre-Jan. 6 planning, pleads to seditious conspiracy  https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/05/04/wilson-pleads-guilty/ 

    Oath Keeper details pre-Jan. 6 planning, pleads to seditious conspiracy
    By Tom Jackman
    May 04, 2022 at 19:17 ET
    For two months after the 2020 presidential election, William Todd Wilson made preparations for an attack on the U.S. Capitol from his home in North Carolina, where he was a county leader of the far-right Oath Keepers group. On Jan. 5, 2021, according to court records, he drove to a hotel in Tysons Corner in Virginia with an AR-15-style rifle, a 9mm pistol, about 200 rounds of ammunition, body armor, pepper spray and a large walking stick “intended for use as a weapon,” according to court records filed Wednesday.
    Wilson stashed the weapons as part of teams of “quick reaction forces” waiting in various hotels outside of the District, ready to be summoned if needed during the Jan. 6 riot, the court records state.
    On Wednesday, Wilson admitted he traveled from Tysons Corner to the Capitol with Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes that morning, entered the Capitol through the west side and then joined a mob of people who forced open the Rotunda doors on the east side of the building, enabling a column of fellow Oath Keepers to join the melee.
    When the Capitol was finally cleared, Wilson joined Rhodes in a suite at the Phoenix Park Hotel, just blocks from the Capitol, and listened to Rhodes call someone on a speaker phone, Wilson admitted. Wilson told investigators he heard “Rhodes repeatedly implore the individual to tell President Trump to call upon groups like the Oath Keepers to forcibly oppose the transfer of power,” the court records state. “This individual denied Rhodes’s request to speak directly with President Trump. After the call ended, Rhodes stated to the group, ‘I just want to fight.’”


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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    WaPo wins Pulitzer for Public Service for its coverage of 1/6. Damn fake news!
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  • mickeyrat
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    Proud Boys charged with seditious conspiracy in Capitol riot
    By MICHAEL KUNZELMAN and ALANNA DURKIN RICHER
    Today

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The former top leader of the far-right Proud Boys extremist group and other members were charged with seditious conspiracy for what federal prosecutors say was a coordinated attack on the U.S. Capitol to stop Congress from certifying President Joe Biden’s 2020 electoral victory.

    The latest indictment against Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, the former Proud Boys chairman, and four others linked to the group comes as the U.S. House committee investigating the Jan. 6 riot prepares to begin public hearings this week to lay out its findings.

    The indictment Monday alleges that the Proud Boys conspired to forcibly oppose the lawful transfer of presidential power. Tarrio and the others — Ethan Nordean, Joseph Biggs, Zachary Rehl and Dominic Pezzola — were previously charged with different conspiracy counts.

    They are scheduled to stand trial in August in Washington, D.C.'s federal court.

    The seditious conspiracy charges are among the most serious filed so far, but aren't the first of their kind. Eleven members or associates of the anti-government Oath Keepers militia group, including its founder and leader Stewart Rhodes, were indicted in January on seditious conspiracy charges in a serious escalation in the largest investigation in the Justice Department’s history.

    Three Oath Keepers have already pleaded guilty to the rarely used Civil War-era charge that calls for up to 20 years in prison. The indictment alleges that the Oath Keepers and their associates prepared in the weeks leading up to Jan. 6 as if they were going to war, discussing things like weapons and training.

    Tarrio, the group’s top leader, wasn’t in Washington, D.C., when the riot erupted on Jan. 6, 2021, but authorities say he helped put into motion the violence that day.

    Police arrested Tarrio in Washington two days before the riot and charged him with vandalizing a Black Lives Matter banner at a historic Black church during a protest in December 2020. Tarrio was released from jail on Jan. 14 after serving his five-month sentence for that case.

    An attorney for Tarrio said his client “is going to have his day in court.”

    “And we intend to vigorously represent him through that process,” said Nayib Hassan.

    Defense attorney Carmen Hernendez, who represents Rehl, said her client is “as innocent of these charges as the ones that had already been pending against him.”

    “Seditious conspiracy requires the use of force, and he never used any force nor thought about using any force,” Hernandez said.

    More than three dozen people charged in the Capitol siege have been identified by federal authorities as leaders, members or associates of the Proud Boys, whose members describe it as a politically incorrect men’s club for “Western chauvinists.”

    They have brawled with antifascist activists at rallies and protests. Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes, who founded the Proud Boys in 2016, sued the Southern Poverty Law Center for labeling it as a hate group.

    The indictment alleges that the Proud Boys held meetings and communicated over encrypted messages to plan for the attack in the days leading up to Jan. 6. On the day of the riot, authorities say Proud Boys dismantled metal barricades set up to protect the Capitol and mobilized, directed and led members of the crowd into the building.

    Prosecutors have said the Proud Boys arranged for members to communicate using specific frequencies on Baofeng radios. The Chinese-made devices can be programmed for use on hundreds of frequencies, making it difficult for outsiders to eavesdrop.

    Shortly before the riot, authorities say Tarrio posted on social media that the group planned to turn out in “record numbers” on Jan. 6, but would be “incognito” instead of donning their traditional clothing colors of black and yellow.

    Around the same time, an unnamed person sent Tarrio a document that laid out plans for occupying a few “crucial buildings” in Washington on Jan. 6, including House and Senate office buildings around the Capitol, the indictment says. The nine-page document was entitled “1776 Returns” and called for having as “many people as possible” to “show our politicians We the People are in charge,” according to the indictment.

    Nordean, of Auburn, Washington, was a Proud Boys chapter president and a member of the group’s national “Elders Council.” Biggs, of Ormond Beach, Florida, is a self-described Proud Boys organizer. Rehl was president of the Proud Boys chapter in Philadelphia. Pezzola is a Proud Boy member from Rochester, New York.

    A New York man pleaded guilty in December to storming the U.S. Capitol with fellow Proud Boys members. Matthew Greene was the first Proud Boys member to publicly plead guilty to conspiring with other members to stop Congress from certifying the Electoral College vote. Greene agreed to cooperate with authorities investigating the attack.

    Another Proud Boy, Charles Donohoe, of Kernersville, North Carolina, pleaded guilty in April to conspiracy and assault charges and also agreed to cooperate in the Justice Department’s cases against other members of the extremist group.

    In December, a federal judge refused to dismiss an earlier indictment charging alleged leaders of the Proud Boys with conspiring to block the certification of Biden's electoral college win. U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly rejected defense attorneys’ arguments that the men were charged with conduct that is protected by the First Amendment right to free speech.


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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Unfortunately, it won’t amount to much. They’ll walk, the 1/6 hearings won’t change a thing, the midterms will be a disaster and things will get much worse for anyone not a white, Christian male. Good luck.
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    While listening to the RNB channel Power 105 Charlamagne made this comment "They need to stop treating this like it was just some big frat party"

    I couldn't agree more.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    And more like a sorority party?
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  • Merkin Baller
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    A piece about the other GOP big lie, the one where they claim to “back the blue”:

    https://morningshots.thebulwark.com/p/the-gops-other-big-lie
  • mrussel1
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    A piece about the other GOP big lie, the one where they claim to “back the blue”:

    https://morningshots.thebulwark.com/p/the-gops-other-big-lie
    I read the Bulwark all the time.  It's a good publication.  
  • tempo_n_groove
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    Cover story on the post here in NY.  Guy from the Post interviewed someone inside the Capital and it's posted on Youtube.  It helped convict the person and Youtube took it down.

    Reason?

    Misinformation.

    Thoughts?
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Cover story on the post here in NY.  Guy from the Post interviewed someone inside the Capital and it's posted on Youtube.  It helped convict the person and Youtube took it down.

    Reason?

    Misinformation.

    Thoughts?
    The Post there in NY is regularly full of misinformation.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    Cover story on the post here in NY.  Guy from the Post interviewed someone inside the Capital and it's posted on Youtube.  It helped convict the person and Youtube took it down.

    Reason?

    Misinformation.

    Thoughts?
    The Post there in NY is regularly full of misinformation.
    I find it interesting though because it IS misinformation.  The Post is a shitty paper but happened to notice the headline.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    Cover story on the post here in NY.  Guy from the Post interviewed someone inside the Capital and it's posted on Youtube.  It helped convict the person and Youtube took it down.

    Reason?

    Misinformation.

    Thoughts?
    What was misinformation?  Was the guy rambling on a bunch of nonsense about stopping the steal?  Your question does not provide enough context. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    mrussel1 said:
    Cover story on the post here in NY.  Guy from the Post interviewed someone inside the Capital and it's posted on Youtube.  It helped convict the person and Youtube took it down.

    Reason?

    Misinformation.

    Thoughts?
    What was misinformation?  Was the guy rambling on a bunch of nonsense about stopping the steal?  Your question does not provide enough context. 
    Yes.  The interviewed was doing the rambling.

    I feel like people are on attack mode and waiting to jump at me to disagree with this where I haven't even mentioned an opinion...
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,737
    mrussel1 said:
    Cover story on the post here in NY.  Guy from the Post interviewed someone inside the Capital and it's posted on Youtube.  It helped convict the person and Youtube took it down.

    Reason?

    Misinformation.

    Thoughts?
    What was misinformation?  Was the guy rambling on a bunch of nonsense about stopping the steal?  Your question does not provide enough context. 
    Yes.  The interviewed was doing the rambling.

    I feel like people are on attack mode and waiting to jump at me to disagree with this where I haven't even mentioned an opinion...

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