GOP

cincybearcat said:

Cropduster-80 said:

I don’t align gop on anything really. If I do it’s a RINO position

im not in a religious cult, gun cult, or in a cult of personality  though.  

Fair enough.  I find it a bit weird though to aline with 1 party solely.  Though I do wish I had perhaps asked this question sometime before 2014ish.

Cropduster-80 said:

cincybearcat said:

Cropduster-80 said:

I don’t align gop on anything really. If I do it’s a RINO position

im not in a religious cult, gun cult, or in a cult of personality  though.  

Fair enough.  I find it a bit weird though to aline with 1 party solely.  Though I do wish I had perhaps asked this question sometime before 2014ish.

I tend to be free trade, pro business etc.  those aren’t Republican positions anymore.  Tariffs etc. that use to be a democrat thing so I don’t necessarily think I’m more of a democrat now it’s more that the GOP positions I was open to aren’t GOP positions today 

I’m more libertarian on drugs, abortion etc. none of it is the governments business. I tend to naturally align more with the “big government” party today weirdly enough on that stuff

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

So - ignoring the obvious crazies in the party (and the fact that those not crazy are pandering to voters who seem to be).... do you agree to any point GOP might have?  

1) Abortion - just to kick this off.  Highly contested topic.  I personally don't think someone is evil who thinks it's murder and I don't think someone is evil if they want women to decide.  
2) Mass shootings/gun control - Where I agree with GOP - I do believe schools and some other places need to have robust security plans.  I believe in school resource officers (for many reasons).  I do think we need to look at the underlying causes and signs that lead to this whether it's mental health, bullying, etc.  I am not aligned on not instituting limitation to gun ownership.
3) Immigration - I agree the border needs secured.  I am not for the wall or the full extent of the GOP is after...but I think it has been a problem for a long time and the Dems have no interest in solving.
4) Minimum/living wage debate - I believe the market can set the price for the most part.  And it has with the labor market....which also has helped lead to crazy inflation.
5) School books - on the issue regarding text books, like math, with what GOP deems inappropriate material....I've looked at some of it and I believe they have a point in some of the instances I saw.  
6) Economy - unsure if anyone has this right but I'm not smart enough to know.  Even the Clinton (with GOP congress) economy ended up crashing due to tech bubble bursting.

I'm sure there are more...just a start.

Are there any issues where you don't just simply align with the Democratic party?

2) When you say you don't believe in limitations on gun ownership, are you saying that any weapon (machine gun, semi, full, etc.) should be available?  And it should be available at age 18?  And you shouldn't have a background check?  These are all limitations on gun ownership.  If that's your position, it's even further right than Justice Scalia in the DC v Heller.  He even said that Constitution allows limitations in his opinion.  

3) If you want to solve the immigration issue, crack down on employers that employ people without I-9s and work under the table.  No jobs, no immigration.  It won't be solved tomorrow, but it will be solved.  Of course we have 11MM unfilled jobs in this country so there's also the fact that we need people.  

There are few positions where I'm 100% aligned with either party.  The world is grey and we need moderate policies.  

cincybearcat said:

So - ignoring the obvious crazies in the party (and the fact that those not crazy are pandering to voters who seem to be).... do you agree to any point GOP might have?  

1) Abortion - just to kick this off.  Highly contested topic.  I personally don't think someone is evil who thinks it's murder and I don't think someone is evil if they want women to decide.  
2) Mass shootings/gun control - Where I agree with GOP - I do believe schools and some other places need to have robust security plans.  I believe in school resource officers (for many reasons).  I do think we need to look at the underlying causes and signs that lead to this whether it's mental health, bullying, etc.  I am not aligned on not instituting limitation to gun ownership.
3) Immigration - I agree the border needs secured.  I am not for the wall or the full extent of the GOP is after...but I think it has been a problem for a long time and the Dems have no interest in solving.
4) Minimum/living wage debate - I believe the market can set the price for the most part.  And it has with the labor market....which also has helped lead to crazy inflation.
5) School books - on the issue regarding text books, like math, with what GOP deems inappropriate material....I've looked at some of it and I believe they have a point in some of the instances I saw.  
6) Economy - unsure if anyone has this right but I'm not smart enough to know.  Even the Clinton (with GOP congress) economy ended up crashing due to tech bubble bursting.

I'm sure there are more...just a start.

Are there any issues where you don't just simply align with the Democratic party?

tempo_n_groove said:

You all want immigration reform?  It might come in the way of a cashless society.  Can't pay someone if they don't have an electronic account of some sort and that comes w a SS#.

Went to 2 baseball games at different parks and they both are "cashless".

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

2) double negative confusion I think mrussel. He said "I am NOT aligned with NOT instituting limitation to gun ownership". 

Hahaha I just read his question and was going to respond with this same thing....yup, used a bad double negative.  

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Cropduster-80 said:

cincybearcat said:

Cropduster-80 said:

cincybearcat said:

So - a friend shared a survey from their local high school with me.  One of the questions was "What is your sexual orientation"

Straight = 62%
Gay/Lesbian = 10.9%
Bi/Pan = 18.5%
Asexual = 4.3%
Other = 4.3%

Nationally Gallup found 7.1% put themselves into a category other than straight.

So why the disparity?  Is this more legit data?  Are kids not sure and trying different things out?  Is the GOP correct in that schools, etc (while allowing those that are truly other than straight to be themselves) are also encouraging experimentation and false moves away from the mean?

It is a very interesting statistic.  Wish I knew what the real data was...it's quite the difference...7.1% vs 38%....is the 7.1% just low cause people are scared to be and tell the world you they really are?

I would suspect data set is different.

a 50 year old may be gay and isn’t comfortable sharing that fact.  A teen may be more comfortable.  

Are there more gay people that are teens? Probably not.  There are probably more out teens 

Seemed strange to me as this is in a very conservative state...but in one of the smaller liberal pockets (university area).  Those numbers were shocking to me that they were so high. I do wish there could be a true deep dive with all the reasons on it to understand it better.

In college I was aware of a lot of experimentation going   on.  I know those same people today. Twenty years later they are married and have kids. 

sexuality on the whole is more fluid than we think.  Those people grow up, have kids, get married. They choose family and being committed to their spouse. They probably identify as straight. They aren’t gay, but they are not exactly straight either  

I have 4 nieces and 1 nephew, 4 of them being teenagers. Of the teenagers, the 3 oldest have each confided in their parents at some point or another that they thought they might be gay, but weren't sure... since making those declarations, 2 of those 3 now are pretty confident they aren't. 

My only point of making this comment is that I think in many cases, teenagers are simply figuring things out, and as opposed to when I was in high school in the early 90s, less afraid to consider the possibility they're gay, never mind suggesting it to their parents. 

I could be way off on this, but that poll quoted might just be teenagers being unsure, and leaving open the possibility. 

I think this is exactly right.  My wife has a theory that a lot of these kids are not just confused, but rather they feel different than other kids in general.  And now there is a name for it (or they think there is).  In other words, 30 years ago, they wouldn't call themselves non-binary.  They were just 'losers', 'dorks', etc.  But now there is something for them to latch onto for a time.  It's just growing pains.

My 13 year old has a friend that's a boy that declared himself non binary and calls himself "Sage" now.  Well Sage has a significant other who is a girl, but also non-binary.  Maybe I'm wrong, but they both seem straight to me.  I think they are just young.