Eastern Europe shows just don't make sense...

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  • gotthebottle
    gotthebottle San Diego Posts: 3,868
    BF89905 said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    gotthebottle said:
    PJNB said:
    They are 4 months away. Difficult to watch what is happening right now in Ukraine but even today shows are happening in Krakow. 4 months is a long time. Hopefully they happen since if they do that means Ukraine is likely in
    a better spot.

    Given to... said:
    Am I alone in thinking that shows in Krakow, Vienna, Budapest and others should be cancelled?

    The horrors to the people of Ukraine are weighing much more heavily on me than a few shows.   The cities are already being stressed beyond their current ability, human suffering and human services bulging to breaking points.

    Lodging needs for refugees, increased travel difficulties, shortages of medical, social concerns...

    Thoughts?
    War doesn't go away in 4 months... it's not a long time
    Exactly. Putin’s track record over the last 30 years says this goes on for years. I really fucking hate the world right now. 
    Agreed.... Unfortunately, history repeats itself all too often. Some people disregard it. Others are too narrow minded, or misinformed to see what's right in front of their faces. Awful, awful stuff over there in Ukraine. I don't see how how the band goes over to Europe. 

    Cv-19 cases are starting to rise again in Europe. It'd be real nice if the people with agency, political influence, and big money did things to benefit humanity and start prepping for the inevitable next respiratory virus instead of focusing on short sighted selfish gains. 

    I get really down when I ponder what this world may be like years down the road for our now 3 year old. We've got to be better than this. 

    Stay safe and be empathetic
    I'm with you.... I'm glad I don't have kids cause this world is a shit- show right now and this war will not end quickly or easily.... it's so depressing...
  • radar
    radar Posts: 779
    A brief note from Krakow - there is over 1,6mln refugees already in Poland. The authorities assume the number may double. Most of them arrived via Krakow which is approx 250 km from the border. Now there are many trains etc that help people to travel further - to Warsaw / other big cities and abroad. It’s worth to mention that before Covid there were already 1-1,5 mln Ukrainians living in Poland. As regards lodging - some concert venues (for example Torwar in Warsaw - venue of 1996 PJ show) were already transferred to shelters but I hope and I assume this is a temporary measure and no one could or shall live in such a space for several months. 
    Summarizing - at this point there are no signs that the show is in trouble. Still it’s impossible to predict how the situation will develop. If anyone has questions about krakow please pm. Will gladly help
  • BlueLedbetter
    BlueLedbetter Posts: 1,380
    radar said:
    A brief note from Krakow - there is over 1,6mln refugees already in Poland. The authorities assume the number may double. Most of them arrived via Krakow which is approx 250 km from the border. Now there are many trains etc that help people to travel further - to Warsaw / other big cities and abroad. It’s worth to mention that before Covid there were already 1-1,5 mln Ukrainians living in Poland. As regards lodging - some concert venues (for example Torwar in Warsaw - venue of 1996 PJ show) were already transferred to shelters but I hope and I assume this is a temporary measure and no one could or shall live in such a space for several months. 
    Summarizing - at this point there are no signs that the show is in trouble. Still it’s impossible to predict how the situation will develop. If anyone has questions about krakow please pm. Will gladly help
    Hats off to Poland and the Polish people for their response to this crisis 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,655
    edited March 2022
    Why not play Eastern European countries because of Russia going to war in Ukraine? Or because of refugees existing?

    I don't get it. 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    radar said:
    A brief note from Krakow - there is over 1,6mln refugees already in Poland. The authorities assume the number may double. Most of them arrived via Krakow which is approx 250 km from the border. Now there are many trains etc that help people to travel further - to Warsaw / other big cities and abroad. It’s worth to mention that before Covid there were already 1-1,5 mln Ukrainians living in Poland. As regards lodging - some concert venues (for example Torwar in Warsaw - venue of 1996 PJ show) were already transferred to shelters but I hope and I assume this is a temporary measure and no one could or shall live in such a space for several months. 
    Summarizing - at this point there are no signs that the show is in trouble. Still it’s impossible to predict how the situation will develop. If anyone has questions about krakow please pm. Will gladly help
    Appreciate a real update from someone that is seeing it first hand. Heartbreaking what is going on and hopefully they somehow find a way to end it soon. 
  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,551
    ComeToTX said:
    RatherStarved said:
    This reminds me of Jan 2020…Covid isn’t going to be a problem by March…
    Anyone that said that was clueless. 
    Everyone said that. Remember “two weeks to stop the spread”
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,092
    elvistheking44 said:
    ComeToTX said:
    RatherStarved said:
    This reminds me of Jan 2020…Covid isn’t going to be a problem by March…
    Anyone that said that was clueless. 
    Everyone said that. Remember “two weeks to stop the spread”
    Yeas, that was all clueless. Anyone reading what was going on in China and more so Italy knew it wasn’t going away quickly. 
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • JABK
    JABK Finland Posts: 361
    I think now even more so all the shows make perfect sense. We won't let fear rule our world and music is one of the more important elements to bring people together.
  • BALLBOY
    BALLBOY Australia Posts: 1,037
    Posts like this make no sense 
    Eastern Creek 95,Syd 1 98,Bris 2 98, Syd 1&2 03, Reading Fest 06, Bris 1 06, London 09, Hyde Park 10, Gold Coast BDO 14 Budapest 22 Krakow 22 Amsterdam 22 St Paul 1&2 23 Chicago 1&2 23 Chicago 1&2 24 New York 1 24 Philly 1&2 24 Boston 1&2 24 Gold Coast 24 Melbourne 1 24 Sydney 1&2 24
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,092
    It’s not fear as much as cities being stressed by thousands and thousands of refugees. 
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • rock4ever
    rock4ever Posts: 239
    the biggest threat to any European shows will be when any attack/act of war is committed against a NATO country and the OP who mentioned about Hungary being less than credible they are part of NATO I don't think they are stupid enough to wage war against other NATO countries  

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    rock4ever said:
    the biggest threat to any European shows will be when any attack/act of war is committed against a NATO country and the OP who mentioned about Hungary being less than credible they are part of NATO I don't think they are stupid enough to wage war against other NATO countries  

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    Orban signaled his support for Ukraine early.  My comment was that I was surprised he so quickly joined the sanctions.  
  • Given to...
    Given to... Wyoming Posts: 5,007
    ComeToTX said:
    It’s not fear as much as cities being stressed by thousands and thousands of refugees. 

    Exactly
    "...would you like some forks?" EV 12-02-06
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,092

    Krakow, whose prewar population stood at about 800,000, has said it is struggling to manage even the most basic administrative tasks, like issuing personal identification numbers for the 100,000 people who have turned up into the city. The city has already spent 74% of its annual $4.3 million budget for crisis management, a spokeswoman for city hall, Monika Chylaszek, told national daily newspaper Rzeczpospolita in an interview published Friday.

    "We are not able to accept, absorb more people, as a city," she said. "It comes down to jobs, places in schools and daycares, administrative services."

    There are virtually no refugee camps in the country, aside from a handful of convention centers and stadiums that the Polish government terms "reception centers," where a few thousand of the 1.5 million people who have entered Poland sleep. Instead, Poland is counting on relatives, friends and volunteers to house the newcomers. That arrangement is becoming increasingly hard to sustain, however, as the rate of people arriving outpaces the number of beds available, Polish officials say.

    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • tino_11
    tino_11 Posts: 2,197
    I think it’s best for Polish authorities to decide if they want to allow tourism/concerts in Krakow. It’s not really for Pearl Jam fans half way around the world to decide for them. 

    If you don’t want to go by all means take your personal decision not to. 
    'F*** the pessimists. F*** 'em.' Eddie Vedder
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,092
    Right. But this is a message board so we’re discussing it. 
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • Gravey1975
    Gravey1975 Posts: 342
    And he's contributing to the discussion by noting that the Polish authorities will have the ultimate decision on whether the show goes ahead, regardless of PJ's or ticketholders' views. Which is a good point and probably something that PJ will themselves take their lead from.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,655
    Is till don't see the issue here with playing (eastern) European cities...
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"

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