Have you participated in any BLM-related protests?
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tempo_n_groove said:
Are you indoctrinating or teaching? That is where I would draw the line.oftenreading said:
We involve children in activities that they don’t fully understand all the time; that’s how kids learn. Children are always soaking up the messages and values of the adults around them. None of us knows what the facts are of this event but I do know that our local primary schools regularly involve kids in community events for various causes. Would you argue that kids shouldn’t raise money for cancer research because they don’t fully understand oncology? That they shouldn’t be allowed into climate change marches because they don’t fully understand climate science? And if not, why would marching for human rights be any different?tempo_n_groove said:
You think a 5yo has the brain capacity to understand what they are really doing?oftenreading said:
Who says they were forced? I'll take that with a huge grain of salt. Someone posting this has an agenda.Meltdown99 said:
Would the poster be as outraged if the kids were holding pro-environment signs and chanting "Save the trees"?
But where are you drawing that line? Is taking children to church indoctrination? In my opinion, yes. How about taking kids to help out in a soup kitchen or a shelter for homeless people? What about an animal shelter?
I would suggest that views on what is indoctrination and what is teaching depend on who is doing the observing. Why is it widely viewed as a good thing to indoctrinate kids into religion but it's suspect if you indoctrinate them into human rights issues? I know which views I would rather share with a child.
Obviously I would be in favour of talking to the kids about what your reasons are, why you view the world and your place in it the way you do, and what your values are.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Considering the brain isn’t fully developed until 25…tempo_n_groove said:
You think a 5yo has the brain capacity to understand what they are really doing?oftenreading said:
Who says they were forced? I'll take that with a huge grain of salt. Someone posting this has an agenda.Meltdown99 said:
Would the poster be as outraged if the kids were holding pro-environment signs and chanting "Save the trees"?Give Peas A Chance…0 -
It’s indoctrination, simple…blm are violent racist…Give Peas A Chance…0
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I have to agree you make excellent points!oftenreading said:tempo_n_groove said:
Are you indoctrinating or teaching? That is where I would draw the line.oftenreading said:
We involve children in activities that they don’t fully understand all the time; that’s how kids learn. Children are always soaking up the messages and values of the adults around them. None of us knows what the facts are of this event but I do know that our local primary schools regularly involve kids in community events for various causes. Would you argue that kids shouldn’t raise money for cancer research because they don’t fully understand oncology? That they shouldn’t be allowed into climate change marches because they don’t fully understand climate science? And if not, why would marching for human rights be any different?tempo_n_groove said:
You think a 5yo has the brain capacity to understand what they are really doing?oftenreading said:
Who says they were forced? I'll take that with a huge grain of salt. Someone posting this has an agenda.Meltdown99 said:
Would the poster be as outraged if the kids were holding pro-environment signs and chanting "Save the trees"?
But where are you drawing that line? Is taking children to church indoctrination? In my opinion, yes. How about taking kids to help out in a soup kitchen or a shelter for homeless people? What about an animal shelter?
I would suggest that views on what is indoctrination and what is teaching depend on who is doing the observing. Why is it widely viewed as a good thing to indoctrinate kids into religion but it's suspect if you indoctrinate them into human rights issues? I know which views I would rather share with a child.
Obviously I would be in favour of talking to the kids about what your reasons are, why you view the world and your place in it the way you do, and what your values are.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Oh no! Two white childless dudes are concerned about children they don't have to raise/wouldn't know the first thing about raising in 2022.Meltdown99 said:
Considering the brain isn’t fully developed until 25…tempo_n_groove said:
You think a 5yo has the brain capacity to understand what they are really doing?oftenreading said:
Who says they were forced? I'll take that with a huge grain of salt. Someone posting this has an agenda.Meltdown99 said:
Would the poster be as outraged if the kids were holding pro-environment signs and chanting "Save the trees"?
I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
Bill Blair..we do threaten people.
yes you do you fucking liberal bully….Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Whataboutisms? I never said anything about religion, not sure how that got thrown in?oftenreading said:tempo_n_groove said:
Are you indoctrinating or teaching? That is where I would draw the line.oftenreading said:
We involve children in activities that they don’t fully understand all the time; that’s how kids learn. Children are always soaking up the messages and values of the adults around them. None of us knows what the facts are of this event but I do know that our local primary schools regularly involve kids in community events for various causes. Would you argue that kids shouldn’t raise money for cancer research because they don’t fully understand oncology? That they shouldn’t be allowed into climate change marches because they don’t fully understand climate science? And if not, why would marching for human rights be any different?tempo_n_groove said:
You think a 5yo has the brain capacity to understand what they are really doing?oftenreading said:
Who says they were forced? I'll take that with a huge grain of salt. Someone posting this has an agenda.Meltdown99 said:
Would the poster be as outraged if the kids were holding pro-environment signs and chanting "Save the trees"?
But where are you drawing that line? Is taking children to church indoctrination? In my opinion, yes. How about taking kids to help out in a soup kitchen or a shelter for homeless people? What about an animal shelter?
I would suggest that views on what is indoctrination and what is teaching depend on who is doing the observing. Why is it widely viewed as a good thing to indoctrinate kids into religion but it's suspect if you indoctrinate them into human rights issues? I know which views I would rather share with a child.
Obviously I would be in favour of talking to the kids about what your reasons are, why you view the world and your place in it the way you do, and what your values are.
What I see in the school is to me, indoctrinating.0 -
I have enough cousins that I have helped raise over the years I get a pass hopefully, lol?dankind said:
Oh no! Two white childless dudes are concerned about children they don't have to raise/wouldn't know the first thing about raising in 2022.Meltdown99 said:
Considering the brain isn’t fully developed until 25…tempo_n_groove said:
You think a 5yo has the brain capacity to understand what they are really doing?oftenreading said:
Who says they were forced? I'll take that with a huge grain of salt. Someone posting this has an agenda.Meltdown99 said:
Would the poster be as outraged if the kids were holding pro-environment signs and chanting "Save the trees"?0 -
I helped to raise a few cousins and step-nephews/step-nieces as well. Commendable, for sure, but no pass for you.tempo_n_groove said:
I have enough cousins that I have helped raise over the years I get a pass hopefully, lol?dankind said:
Oh no! Two white childless dudes are concerned about children they don't have to raise/wouldn't know the first thing about raising in 2022.Meltdown99 said:
Considering the brain isn’t fully developed until 25…tempo_n_groove said:
You think a 5yo has the brain capacity to understand what they are really doing?oftenreading said:
Who says they were forced? I'll take that with a huge grain of salt. Someone posting this has an agenda.Meltdown99 said:
Would the poster be as outraged if the kids were holding pro-environment signs and chanting "Save the trees"?
I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
Honk Honk judge granted injunction against honking…it’s now just as loud as day 1. Liberal are dumbass’s..You can’t do shit without those of us in working class…Give Peas A Chance…0
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I'm not talking just two here. I have 50+ cousins that I helped w in babysitting, watching, etc. I want a pass damnit... I once dated a girl w a kid for 2 years. That should account for something...dankind said:
I helped to raise a few cousins and step-nephews/step-nieces as well. Commendable, for sure, but no pass for you.tempo_n_groove said:
I have enough cousins that I have helped raise over the years I get a pass hopefully, lol?dankind said:
Oh no! Two white childless dudes are concerned about children they don't have to raise/wouldn't know the first thing about raising in 2022.Meltdown99 said:
Considering the brain isn’t fully developed until 25…tempo_n_groove said:
You think a 5yo has the brain capacity to understand what they are really doing?oftenreading said:
Who says they were forced? I'll take that with a huge grain of salt. Someone posting this has an agenda.Meltdown99 said:
Would the poster be as outraged if the kids were holding pro-environment signs and chanting "Save the trees"?0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
Whataboutisms? I never said anything about religion, not sure how that got thrown in?oftenreading said:tempo_n_groove said:
Are you indoctrinating or teaching? That is where I would draw the line.oftenreading said:
We involve children in activities that they don’t fully understand all the time; that’s how kids learn. Children are always soaking up the messages and values of the adults around them. None of us knows what the facts are of this event but I do know that our local primary schools regularly involve kids in community events for various causes. Would you argue that kids shouldn’t raise money for cancer research because they don’t fully understand oncology? That they shouldn’t be allowed into climate change marches because they don’t fully understand climate science? And if not, why would marching for human rights be any different?tempo_n_groove said:
You think a 5yo has the brain capacity to understand what they are really doing?oftenreading said:
Who says they were forced? I'll take that with a huge grain of salt. Someone posting this has an agenda.Meltdown99 said:
Would the poster be as outraged if the kids were holding pro-environment signs and chanting "Save the trees"?
But where are you drawing that line? Is taking children to church indoctrination? In my opinion, yes. How about taking kids to help out in a soup kitchen or a shelter for homeless people? What about an animal shelter?
I would suggest that views on what is indoctrination and what is teaching depend on who is doing the observing. Why is it widely viewed as a good thing to indoctrinate kids into religion but it's suspect if you indoctrinate them into human rights issues? I know which views I would rather share with a child.
Obviously I would be in favour of talking to the kids about what your reasons are, why you view the world and your place in it the way you do, and what your values are.
What I see in the school is to me, indoctrinating.
I know you didn't say anything about religion. I did, while using it as an example of another area where the line between indoctrination and teaching depends on who you ask and their opinion. Not sure why you would call that a "whataboutism". Can we not draw comparisons anymore to illustrate a point?
So now that that's clear, where are you drawing that line?my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I would be slow to discounting the parenting experiences of people who never had children of their own. My own experiences, for example. I helped raise two boys for a few years (plus was an integral part of their lives for several). Their folks were in a difficult situation and I was there and was able to help. I had the boys with me much of the time and home schooled one of them through the 4th grade to get him caught up with things. I was also teaching at the time and obviously that gives one a lot of experience with kids. In fact, I probably cared about some of those kids more than their parents did.So please don't jump to the conclusion that just because you brought kids into the world you think you know more about kids than those of us who didn't. That's making a huge assumption that is not always at all true."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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I’m not discounting outright here.I’m sharing my experience. And in my experience, it doesn’t count.I have similar stories to tell as you and Chris. Then, later in life, I wound up with two of my own children, which is where our experiences of raising children diverge.Nothing I experienced during those years of raising my Florida cracker family’s several oopsie kids prepared me at all for fatherhood.So, again, commendable, but no pass from me.Post edited by dankind onI SAW PEARL JAM0
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CK, lets meet up in the Lounge Car and we'll commiserate. First brew is on me.
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Deal!brianlux said:CK, lets meet up in the Lounge Car and we'll commiserate. First brew is on me.0 -
Kids are sponges and will pretty much do whatever the rest of the kids are doing. They follow.oftenreading said:tempo_n_groove said:
Whataboutisms? I never said anything about religion, not sure how that got thrown in?oftenreading said:tempo_n_groove said:
Are you indoctrinating or teaching? That is where I would draw the line.oftenreading said:
We involve children in activities that they don’t fully understand all the time; that’s how kids learn. Children are always soaking up the messages and values of the adults around them. None of us knows what the facts are of this event but I do know that our local primary schools regularly involve kids in community events for various causes. Would you argue that kids shouldn’t raise money for cancer research because they don’t fully understand oncology? That they shouldn’t be allowed into climate change marches because they don’t fully understand climate science? And if not, why would marching for human rights be any different?tempo_n_groove said:
You think a 5yo has the brain capacity to understand what they are really doing?oftenreading said:
Who says they were forced? I'll take that with a huge grain of salt. Someone posting this has an agenda.Meltdown99 said:
Would the poster be as outraged if the kids were holding pro-environment signs and chanting "Save the trees"?
But where are you drawing that line? Is taking children to church indoctrination? In my opinion, yes. How about taking kids to help out in a soup kitchen or a shelter for homeless people? What about an animal shelter?
I would suggest that views on what is indoctrination and what is teaching depend on who is doing the observing. Why is it widely viewed as a good thing to indoctrinate kids into religion but it's suspect if you indoctrinate them into human rights issues? I know which views I would rather share with a child.
Obviously I would be in favour of talking to the kids about what your reasons are, why you view the world and your place in it the way you do, and what your values are.
What I see in the school is to me, indoctrinating.
I know you didn't say anything about religion. I did, while using it as an example of another area where the line between indoctrination and teaching depends on who you ask and their opinion. Not sure why you would call that a "whataboutism". Can we not draw comparisons anymore to illustrate a point?
So now that that's clear, where are you drawing that line?
Anything forced on to a child that doesn't have a say is a form of indoctrinating. That can go with sports and liking a certain team. Your father/cousin likes the Bears. You end up liking the Bears because there isn't a 2nd choice.
Something I do find interesting is letting children choose their own gender. Fluidity. Let the kid choose their path as they see fit. There is nothing indoctrinating about that and something I don't understand. If that is better for the kids then I am all for it.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
Deal!brianlux said:CK, lets meet up in the Lounge Car and we'll commiserate. First brew is on me.Alright! Here's to you, bud!
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I have not participated in BLM protests but my daughter most certainly has. She lives in DC, joined a protest group there and has gotten arrested. She was in the park that day that was cleared for Trump’s ridiculous photo opportunity. I gather she got protesting in her blood when in the early 2000’s I took her to many peaceful protest marches against the wars in the Middle East. I will continue to support BLM protest marches as my daughter continues to march peacefully.
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