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Beltran and Rodriguez are the only ones I would consider voting for. I probably wouldn't vote for them, but they would at least warrant a closer look at their careers and numbers.0
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matt cain got bad run support for his whole giants career. when other pichers lost 1-0, 2-1, etc. games, they would say the pitcher “got cained.” in 2011 he had a 2.88 ERA and went 12-11. ian kennedy had the exact same ERA that year and went 21-4. HOF, no, but better than his career record would have you believe.Poncier said:
I mean, how is a guy like Matt Cain even on the ballot? Career 104-118 WL. ,tempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...If I had known then what I know now...
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VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
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Vancouver 11
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Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14Philly I & II, 16Denver 22
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Beltran was ROY as welltempo_n_groove said:DewieCox said:
I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GGtempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
Rolen had a way better defensive career, ROY and his stats are no where near Beltrans. WAR yes, hits and HR no.igotid88 said:
I said close. not a lock. There are players with similar numbers. But I doubt he get more than 25%. And it's not that far off from Scott Rolen and he got 63% of the vote. And how does Mark Teixeira barely get any votes?tempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
All of these guys on that photo probably are off the ballot in their first year.
I would pick Rolen over him for the defense but he doesn't get in. Another player that has never led the league in any offensive category.I miss igotid880 -
Guy had 4 good (not great, not very good, just good) seasons. He's basically what we refer to as a journeyman. Decent #3 or 4 starter for a team.Wobbie said:
matt cain got bad run support for his whole giants career. when other pichers lost 1-0, 2-1, etc. games, they would say the pitcher “got cained.” in 2011 he had a 2.88 ERA and went 12-11. ian kennedy had the exact same ERA that year and went 21-4. HOF, no, but better than his career record would have you believe.Poncier said:
I mean, how is a guy like Matt Cain even on the ballot? Career 104-118 WL. ,tempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...This weekend we rock Portland0 -
On the cusp I am fine with, HOF worthy I am not.DewieCox said:
All I’m saying is as about as good as it gets for non HoF.tempo_n_groove said:
Hall of Good numbers...DewieCox said:
I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GGtempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.0 -
Completely forgot that he won. He still doesn't get in, lol.igotid88 said:
Beltran was ROY as welltempo_n_groove said:DewieCox said:
I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GGtempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
Rolen had a way better defensive career, ROY and his stats are no where near Beltrans. WAR yes, hits and HR no.igotid88 said:
I said close. not a lock. There are players with similar numbers. But I doubt he get more than 25%. And it's not that far off from Scott Rolen and he got 63% of the vote. And how does Mark Teixeira barely get any votes?tempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
All of these guys on that photo probably are off the ballot in their first year.
I would pick Rolen over him for the defense but he doesn't get in. Another player that has never led the league in any offensive category.
Who said K rod should get better consideration? He set the record for saves and never duplicated that season again, granted he went to the Mets, the place traded players and free agents go to die, but still never was even close to that magical year.0 -
that guy pissed me off so much, against my giants in 2002. I doubt the halos would have won the WS without him.tempo_n_groove said:
Completely forgot that he won. He still doesn't get in, lol.igotid88 said:
Beltran was ROY as welltempo_n_groove said:DewieCox said:
I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GGtempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
Rolen had a way better defensive career, ROY and his stats are no where near Beltrans. WAR yes, hits and HR no.igotid88 said:
I said close. not a lock. There are players with similar numbers. But I doubt he get more than 25%. And it's not that far off from Scott Rolen and he got 63% of the vote. And how does Mark Teixeira barely get any votes?tempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
All of these guys on that photo probably are off the ballot in their first year.
I would pick Rolen over him for the defense but he doesn't get in. Another player that has never led the league in any offensive category.
Who said K rod should get better consideration? He set the record for saves and never duplicated that season again, granted he went to the Mets, the place traded players and free agents go to die, but still never was even close to that magical year.
HOF? no.If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14Philly I & II, 16Denver 22
Missoula 240 -
I said I would look closer at his numbers, but still don't think he gets in. He and Beltran were the biggest number compilers on the list. I think he's something like 4th all time in saves and could see some writers that value big numbers give him a vote.tempo_n_groove said:
Completely forgot that he won. He still doesn't get in, lol.igotid88 said:
Beltran was ROY as welltempo_n_groove said:DewieCox said:
I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GGtempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
Rolen had a way better defensive career, ROY and his stats are no where near Beltrans. WAR yes, hits and HR no.igotid88 said:
I said close. not a lock. There are players with similar numbers. But I doubt he get more than 25%. And it's not that far off from Scott Rolen and he got 63% of the vote. And how does Mark Teixeira barely get any votes?tempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
All of these guys on that photo probably are off the ballot in their first year.
I would pick Rolen over him for the defense but he doesn't get in. Another player that has never led the league in any offensive category.
Who said K rod should get better consideration? He set the record for saves and never duplicated that season again, granted he went to the Mets, the place traded players and free agents go to die, but still never was even close to that magical year.0 -
They don't look upon the newer relievers w respect nowadays.markymark550 said:
I said I would look closer at his numbers, but still don't think he gets in. He and Beltran were the biggest number compilers on the list. I think he's something like 4th all time in saves and could see some writers that value big numbers give him a vote.tempo_n_groove said:
Completely forgot that he won. He still doesn't get in, lol.igotid88 said:
Beltran was ROY as welltempo_n_groove said:DewieCox said:
I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GGtempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
Rolen had a way better defensive career, ROY and his stats are no where near Beltrans. WAR yes, hits and HR no.igotid88 said:
I said close. not a lock. There are players with similar numbers. But I doubt he get more than 25%. And it's not that far off from Scott Rolen and he got 63% of the vote. And how does Mark Teixeira barely get any votes?tempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
All of these guys on that photo probably are off the ballot in their first year.
I would pick Rolen over him for the defense but he doesn't get in. Another player that has never led the league in any offensive category.
Who said K rod should get better consideration? He set the record for saves and never duplicated that season again, granted he went to the Mets, the place traded players and free agents go to die, but still never was even close to that magical year.0 -
Isn't there some sort of veterans committee of players that can still vote him in? I might have this wrong, but I think I recall Curt Schilling going on a rant against the baseball writers, and noting that if someday he was voted in by the players, it'd be more of an honor anyway.cutz said:
It was BS that the HOF reduced the limit to 10 years from 15 years on the Ballot. They knew the new young voters were, mostly voting for players like Bonds , Clemens, etc. and probably would've been elected within the next 5 years the way their votes were going up. I think EVERY player that was already on the HOF Ballot should've been grand-fathered in and be allowed to be on the Ballot for 15 years, and the players who were eligible for the HOF Ballot when they put the rule in(2014?) would be only allowed 10 years.Wobbie said:a writer suggested the giants bring bonds back for a day in order to restart his HOF clock. I like that idea.
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Yes, McGwire actually said that if he gets in he would like to be voted in by his piers.Ledbetterman10 said:
Isn't there some sort of veterans committee of players that can still vote him in? I might have this wrong, but I think I recall Curt Schilling going on a rant against the baseball writers, and noting that if someday he was voted in by the players, it'd be more of an honor anyway.cutz said:
It was BS that the HOF reduced the limit to 10 years from 15 years on the Ballot. They knew the new young voters were, mostly voting for players like Bonds , Clemens, etc. and probably would've been elected within the next 5 years the way their votes were going up. I think EVERY player that was already on the HOF Ballot should've been grand-fathered in and be allowed to be on the Ballot for 15 years, and the players who were eligible for the HOF Ballot when they put the rule in(2014?) would be only allowed 10 years.Wobbie said:a writer suggested the giants bring bonds back for a day in order to restart his HOF clock. I like that idea.
That is how Gossage, Simmons and a few others got in. Not from the writers.
Then there is a Veterans committee. They voted in a lot of the forgotten and Negro leagues players.0 -
How long before the likes of Bonds and Clemons are eligible for that?tempo_n_groove said:
Yes, McGwire actually said that if he gets in he would like to be voted in by his piers.Ledbetterman10 said:
Isn't there some sort of veterans committee of players that can still vote him in? I might have this wrong, but I think I recall Curt Schilling going on a rant against the baseball writers, and noting that if someday he was voted in by the players, it'd be more of an honor anyway.cutz said:
It was BS that the HOF reduced the limit to 10 years from 15 years on the Ballot. They knew the new young voters were, mostly voting for players like Bonds , Clemens, etc. and probably would've been elected within the next 5 years the way their votes were going up. I think EVERY player that was already on the HOF Ballot should've been grand-fathered in and be allowed to be on the Ballot for 15 years, and the players who were eligible for the HOF Ballot when they put the rule in(2014?) would be only allowed 10 years.Wobbie said:a writer suggested the giants bring bonds back for a day in order to restart his HOF clock. I like that idea.
That is how Gossage, Simmons and a few others got in. Not from the writers.
Then there is a Veterans committee. They voted in a lot of the forgotten and Negro leagues players.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Ledbetterman10 said:
How long before the likes of Bonds and Clemons are eligible for that?tempo_n_groove said:
Yes, McGwire actually said that if he gets in he would like to be voted in by his piers.Ledbetterman10 said:
Isn't there some sort of veterans committee of players that can still vote him in? I might have this wrong, but I think I recall Curt Schilling going on a rant against the baseball writers, and noting that if someday he was voted in by the players, it'd be more of an honor anyway.cutz said:
It was BS that the HOF reduced the limit to 10 years from 15 years on the Ballot. They knew the new young voters were, mostly voting for players like Bonds , Clemens, etc. and probably would've been elected within the next 5 years the way their votes were going up. I think EVERY player that was already on the HOF Ballot should've been grand-fathered in and be allowed to be on the Ballot for 15 years, and the players who were eligible for the HOF Ballot when they put the rule in(2014?) would be only allowed 10 years.Wobbie said:a writer suggested the giants bring bonds back for a day in order to restart his HOF clock. I like that idea.
That is how Gossage, Simmons and a few others got in. Not from the writers.
Then there is a Veterans committee. They voted in a lot of the forgotten and Negro leagues players.
they could get in next year by the "today's game" committee...the membership of that committee is ever changing, so it's a crap shoot.
If I had known then what I know now...
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VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
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Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14Philly I & II, 16Denver 22
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This coming December he is eligible for the "early era committee" which is the Todays Game group.. It's what the Veterans committee used to be called.Ledbetterman10 said:
How long before the likes of Bonds and Clemons are eligible for that?tempo_n_groove said:
Yes, McGwire actually said that if he gets in he would like to be voted in by his piers.Ledbetterman10 said:
Isn't there some sort of veterans committee of players that can still vote him in? I might have this wrong, but I think I recall Curt Schilling going on a rant against the baseball writers, and noting that if someday he was voted in by the players, it'd be more of an honor anyway.cutz said:
It was BS that the HOF reduced the limit to 10 years from 15 years on the Ballot. They knew the new young voters were, mostly voting for players like Bonds , Clemens, etc. and probably would've been elected within the next 5 years the way their votes were going up. I think EVERY player that was already on the HOF Ballot should've been grand-fathered in and be allowed to be on the Ballot for 15 years, and the players who were eligible for the HOF Ballot when they put the rule in(2014?) would be only allowed 10 years.Wobbie said:a writer suggested the giants bring bonds back for a day in order to restart his HOF clock. I like that idea.
That is how Gossage, Simmons and a few others got in. Not from the writers.
Then there is a Veterans committee. They voted in a lot of the forgotten and Negro leagues players.0 -
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Good one Ferguson!DewieCox said:0 -
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Wow!If I had known then what I know now...
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VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14Philly I & II, 16Denver 22
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Man, 47. That stinks.The love he receives is the love that is saved0
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