OnWis97 said:

Parksy said:

Different topic than the severity of the coup ...  

But I personally find it super hard to understand how members of congress are remotely peaceful with those who enabled this and those who flip flopped about it. If I was a democrat (or even the small amount of republicans) I wouldn't be able to coexist with some of these clowns who we now know were aware of these attempts or who willingly go onto networks (Fox) that continue to try to downplay it and apparently had insider information about it. 

It's gotta be tough to be an American during these times. I can't imagine what I'd be feeling if this happened in Canada. 

I think they're not fully grasping the gravity of what's going on. There are a lot of democrats still trying to reach across the aisle. I assume they're aware of the ample time today's GOP invests in being outraged about liberals/democrats, but they still seem several steps behind on 1) how badly they want one-party autocrasy and 2) how fragile the Republic really is. They think they're going to fix it by doing their jobs and reaching out...and, just like Republicans, they're also thinking about their own re-electability and are scared to say anything controversial.

Halifax2TheMax said:

Parksy said:

Merkin Baller said:

Parksy said:

I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 

They built a gallows and stormed the building announcing their intentions, why not take them at their word?

If they were willing to attack the police the way they did, why should we assume they would have treated Pence or anyone else any better? 

My point of view has a lot to do with how many of "them" are we talking about?  Was the building of a gallows part of some sort of coordinated effort? 

And the gallows... again to me was just plain ole' fashioned stupidity and symbolism. Hear me out... the media is insistent that because of the chants and because of the gallows... this big group was there to kill him in a planned and coordinated effort.  I'm sorry, but no.  It's like when the Knights forgot to put themselves in the rabbit in Holy Grail.  I think the first plan on killing a fellow would be to find and capture the fellow... THEN build a gallows.   My point is where is this plan?  Who coordinated it? Where were the firearms and manpower to carry out this master plan?  

I could be wrong... have they found the folks who installed the gallows? Did an investigation show that the folks who installed the gallows had a coordinated plan to kill the VP?   It's insane to think, I agree... but I think the so-called insurrectionists were more batshit crazy morons than organized rebels.  To that point... where are the treason charges? Sedition charges? Why doesn't the American justice system care more if I'm not wrong? 

It was.. what it was from what I can tell unless I'm missing a large amount of information.. which could very well be the case. 

They're still looking for the guy who placed pipe bombs around the capitol the night before. They arrested and charged a guy who had a van full of weapons parked on a street nearby. They have evidence of coordinated meetups with duffle bags full of guns. The committee is working its way up the food chain. This is why elected representatives, former members of the POOTWH Administration and the Steve O and Mikey Flynn Baby's of the conspiracy are refusing to cooperate and pleading the 5th. They know they face potential criminal charges.

Regarding how organized it was, see Peter Navarro and his television interview and book where he describes the "bloodless coup" attempt, the plan it laid out and who was involved and why. But for a few individuals, Pence, Raspenburger and others at the State level who allowed the rule of law to prevail, they may very well have succeeded. Kick any related disagreement or legal challenge on process, legality or procedure to the Supreme Court and voila, POOTWH remains POTUS. And what are the repubs at the state level doing as we speak? Changing election laws to appoint their loyalists in positions of election oversight, getting their candidates elected or appointed via intimidation, redistricting and opposing the new Voter's Right Act that, for one, limits dark money for these purposes. The press is reporting, except faux news, on these developments. Its all out in the open, if you choose to see, understand and believe it.

Only 21% of repubs believe Biden is POTUS. They're too far gone. Despite the legal challenges going nowhere, the audits turning up crap and not having provided one shred of evidence that there was fraud, any kind of fraud, that resulted in a different outcome. Way too far gone.

Halifax2TheMax said:

Parksy said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Parksy said:

Merkin Baller said:

Parksy said:

I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 

They built a gallows and stormed the building announcing their intentions, why not take them at their word?

If they were willing to attack the police the way they did, why should we assume they would have treated Pence or anyone else any better? 

My point of view has a lot to do with how many of "them" are we talking about?  Was the building of a gallows part of some sort of coordinated effort? 

And the gallows... again to me was just plain ole' fashioned stupidity and symbolism. Hear me out... the media is insistent that because of the chants and because of the gallows... this big group was there to kill him in a planned and coordinated effort.  I'm sorry, but no.  It's like when the Knights forgot to put themselves in the rabbit in Holy Grail.  I think the first plan on killing a fellow would be to find and capture the fellow... THEN build a gallows.   My point is where is this plan?  Who coordinated it? Where were the firearms and manpower to carry out this master plan?  

I could be wrong... have they found the folks who installed the gallows? Did an investigation show that the folks who installed the gallows had a coordinated plan to kill the VP?   It's insane to think, I agree... but I think the so-called insurrectionists were more batshit crazy morons than organized rebels.  To that point... where are the treason charges? Sedition charges? Why doesn't the American justice system care more if I'm not wrong? 

It was.. what it was from what I can tell unless I'm missing a large amount of information.. which could very well be the case. 

They're still looking for the guy who placed pipe bombs around the capitol the night before. They arrested and charged a guy who had a van full of weapons parked on a street nearby. They have evidence of coordinated meetups with duffle bags full of guns. The committee is working its way up the food chain. This is why elected representatives, former members of the POOTWH Administration and the Steve O and Mikey Flynn Baby's of the conspiracy are refusing to cooperate and pleading the 5th. They know they face potential criminal charges.

Regarding how organized it was, see Peter Navarro and his television interview and book where he describes the "bloodless coup" attempt, the plan it laid out and who was involved and why. But for a few individuals, Pence, Raspenburger and others at the State level who allowed the rule of law to prevail, they may very well have succeeded. Kick any related disagreement or legal challenge on process, legality or procedure to the Supreme Court and voila, POOTWH remains POTUS. And what are the repubs at the state level doing as we speak? Changing election laws to appoint their loyalists in positions of election oversight, getting their candidates elected or appointed via intimidation, redistricting and opposing the new Voter's Right Act that, for one, limits dark money for these purposes. The press is reporting, except faux news, on these developments. Its all out in the open, if you choose to see, understand and believe it.

Only 21% of repubs believe Biden is POTUS. They're too far gone. Despite the legal challenges going nowhere, the audits turning up crap and not having provided one shred of evidence that there was fraud, any kind of fraud, that resulted in a different outcome. Way too far gone.

This is why I feel the outrage and coverage should be more accurately aimed at the suits and not the viking costumes.  (I can't believe Navarro went on MSNBC and laid it all out.  What he described wasn't surprising at all.... that he said it... on MSNBC is shocking.) 

I just heard Cory Booker's speech and while powerful and moving... it seemed aimed at 'the people waving the confederate flag' in the capitol.  Which is bad, don't get me wrong. But you're going to be dealing with racist dbags for a while...   what and/or who drove that fellow to the capitol is the big issue. 

If you've ever seen the film Murder in the First... .Kevin Bacon at the end.. ."I was the weapon, but I ain't no murderer." 

The suits are lead by the guys n gals with the confederate flags. That's what re-districting does. Those folks don't have to be outraged and if they are, they get voted out. Its too late. Its only just begun.

Halifax2TheMax said:

Parksy said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Parksy said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Parksy said:

Merkin Baller said:

Parksy said:

I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 

They built a gallows and stormed the building announcing their intentions, why not take them at their word?

If they were willing to attack the police the way they did, why should we assume they would have treated Pence or anyone else any better? 

My point of view has a lot to do with how many of "them" are we talking about?  Was the building of a gallows part of some sort of coordinated effort? 

And the gallows... again to me was just plain ole' fashioned stupidity and symbolism. Hear me out... the media is insistent that because of the chants and because of the gallows... this big group was there to kill him in a planned and coordinated effort.  I'm sorry, but no.  It's like when the Knights forgot to put themselves in the rabbit in Holy Grail.  I think the first plan on killing a fellow would be to find and capture the fellow... THEN build a gallows.   My point is where is this plan?  Who coordinated it? Where were the firearms and manpower to carry out this master plan?  

I could be wrong... have they found the folks who installed the gallows? Did an investigation show that the folks who installed the gallows had a coordinated plan to kill the VP?   It's insane to think, I agree... but I think the so-called insurrectionists were more batshit crazy morons than organized rebels.  To that point... where are the treason charges? Sedition charges? Why doesn't the American justice system care more if I'm not wrong? 

It was.. what it was from what I can tell unless I'm missing a large amount of information.. which could very well be the case. 

They're still looking for the guy who placed pipe bombs around the capitol the night before. They arrested and charged a guy who had a van full of weapons parked on a street nearby. They have evidence of coordinated meetups with duffle bags full of guns. The committee is working its way up the food chain. This is why elected representatives, former members of the POOTWH Administration and the Steve O and Mikey Flynn Baby's of the conspiracy are refusing to cooperate and pleading the 5th. They know they face potential criminal charges.

Regarding how organized it was, see Peter Navarro and his television interview and book where he describes the "bloodless coup" attempt, the plan it laid out and who was involved and why. But for a few individuals, Pence, Raspenburger and others at the State level who allowed the rule of law to prevail, they may very well have succeeded. Kick any related disagreement or legal challenge on process, legality or procedure to the Supreme Court and voila, POOTWH remains POTUS. And what are the repubs at the state level doing as we speak? Changing election laws to appoint their loyalists in positions of election oversight, getting their candidates elected or appointed via intimidation, redistricting and opposing the new Voter's Right Act that, for one, limits dark money for these purposes. The press is reporting, except faux news, on these developments. Its all out in the open, if you choose to see, understand and believe it.

Only 21% of repubs believe Biden is POTUS. They're too far gone. Despite the legal challenges going nowhere, the audits turning up crap and not having provided one shred of evidence that there was fraud, any kind of fraud, that resulted in a different outcome. Way too far gone.

This is why I feel the outrage and coverage should be more accurately aimed at the suits and not the viking costumes.  (I can't believe Navarro went on MSNBC and laid it all out.  What he described wasn't surprising at all.... that he said it... on MSNBC is shocking.) 

I just heard Cory Booker's speech and while powerful and moving... it seemed aimed at 'the people waving the confederate flag' in the capitol.  Which is bad, don't get me wrong. But you're going to be dealing with racist dbags for a while...   what and/or who drove that fellow to the capitol is the big issue. 

If you've ever seen the film Murder in the First... .Kevin Bacon at the end.. ."I was the weapon, but I ain't no murderer." 

The suits are lead by the guys n gals with the confederate flags. That's what re-districting does. Those folks don't have to be outraged and if they are, they get voted out. Its too late. Its only just begun.

By that opinion, do you figure you'll see more MTG and Boebert types? 

Absolutely.

brianlux said:

Parksy said:

I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 

As far as provoking, again, don't look at popular media which is so much a joke, left or right.  Look at the incidents, the things that are actually happening.  Who is doing the provoking?  It is the right who became insurrectionists.  It is the right who want o make voting difficult for certain populations.  Who are denying the severity of COVID.  Who are pushing gerrymandering. 

"Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals."

I don't see where you get that comparison.  Trump and the far right urged these insurrectionists on. Yes, a lot of it was mob behavior, but you can bet there was planning behind this as well.  I would be very cautious about writing this off as mere sports fan crowd behavior.

Parksy said:

brianlux said:

Parksy said:

I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 

As far as provoking, again, don't look at popular media which is so much a joke, left or right.  Look at the incidents, the things that are actually happening.  Who is doing the provoking?  It is the right who became insurrectionists.  It is the right who want o make voting difficult for certain populations.  Who are denying the severity of COVID.  Who are pushing gerrymandering. 

"Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals."

I don't see where you get that comparison.  Trump and the far right urged these insurrectionists on. Yes, a lot of it was mob behavior, but you can bet there was planning behind this as well.  I would be very cautious about writing this off as mere sports fan crowd behavior.

It's more the mentality and psychology of it for the comparison.  It doesn't seem logical to believe that normal people can do crazy shit... but it does happen under the dumbest circumstances... such as the Cup finals in Vancouver.  That night in Vancouver unfolded one moment at a time and was brought on by simple mob mentality. Like a building wave that crashes. Folks who were at their day job as accountants during the day were then seen flipping over cop cars at night.   It's the idea that when people are caught up in a particularly emotional state, crazy things can happen and it can make people do crazy things that they would not have ordinarily done. 

I think that played a large role in Jan 6th... especially the absurd characters involved.  There were some... obviously who had planned some sinister shit... but to lump them all into the same category is iaccurate imo.

Regarding the media... the left play the same game as the right maybe just not as dirty. I saw the most interesting clip yesterday from the Daily Show where they (brilliantly) edited Fox News' coverage of BLM riots but used the Jan 6th footage. It was remarkable and glaring.  They (Fox) try to generate a narrative that if one rioter throws something at a cop or hucks a brick through a window then they are all guilty of the same crime and part of some large plan to cause chaos and destruction.   I see the left at times doing the same thing with Jan 6. 

To say that the totality of Jan 6 was a violent insurrection orchestrated by Trump is just factually wrong in my opinion.  Some pundits and left wing media are trying to drive that point and I think sticking with the facts and being patient is prudent. Call out the truth and facts for what it is and was... which is awful.... historically and severely.. but don't get caught playing the same game your enemy (Fox) does. 

Don't worry.  No problem there.   

gimmesometruth27 said:

i wonder if house republicans all went to a babbitt memorial or something.

Vice President Harris was inside the DNC on Jan. 6 when pipe bomb was found outside

Vice President Kamala Harris was inside the Democratic National Committee headquarters on Jan. 6, 2021, when a pipe bomb was found outside the building, a White House official confirmed to ABC News.

She was then evacuated.

Capitol Police began investigating the pipe bomb on Jan. 6, 2021 at 1:07 p.m., according to an official Capitol Police timeline of events Politico reports it obtained, and Secret Service evacuated a "protectee" at approximately 1:14 p.m, seven minutes later. Sources confirmed to Politico that Harris was the "protectee" who was referred to in the timeline.

the rest of the article can be found here:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vice-president-harris-inside-dnc-jan-pipe-bomb/story?id=82120480&cid=social_twitter_abcn