pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

RiotZact said:

pjhawks said:

RiotZact said:

“Casual” is to kind of an adjective. That just implies that you don’t pay attention. Picking and choosing which things to comment about in a sad attempt to grasp at straws because you need to find SOMETHING that doesn’t completely discredit your opinion on something that happened years ago is something entirely different. I’m not sure if there is an adjective for that.

I can say that I personally held the opinion for a few years that Ben Simmons was treated too harshly and Embiid was over praised and under criticized. I am more than happy to admit that, after watching more basketball in this modern era and realizing how amazing Embiid is, I was a complete idiot, and that my former opinion was very dumb. 

Some people just don’t have the equipment to admit that.

I saw a stat that I thought was interesting ajnd posted it.   I made no comment other than to say I knew it wasn't great but didn't think it was that bad. Never once said he wasn't a great player.   But hey some made up stat says he's clutch so I guess the 1-29 means nothing.  

LOL! You’re taking words out of your own mouth. You’re saying “that’s all I was saying” when that’s not all that you were saying. You threw in that bullshit about him being funny. Even in this very comment you had to say “made up stat”. You can’t just say “he’s a great player but I thought that stat was jarring”. You have to throw in extra nonsense.

I love how the clutch stat is "made up" just because he never heard of it before. But I'd say gauging a players performance in the final 5 minutes of a 5 point game is way more intuitive to how clutch a player is than buzzer beaters, which obviously include half court and full court heaves. This article is old but speaks to the laziness of someone hearing a random stat somewhere and taking it for gospel. Notice how everyone on this list is a perimeter player too. 

https://www.espn.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4396/clutch-shots-are-tough-just-ask-lebron-james

Final-second shots are tough; just ask LeBron James

Mar 1, 2016

The stat began to circulate among ESPN's basketball brains not long after LeBron James airballed a potential winning hoist from 3-point range last Friday night in Toronto.

The very contested miss lowered LeBron's regular-season success rate to a mere 10.6 percent in the past 10 seasons -- on 5-for-47 shooting -- when attempting a tying or go-ahead shot in the final five seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime.

Yet to properly process a number that sounds so uncharacteristically low, it helps to have some context on what has to be considered some of the toughest circumstances that a shooter can face.

So we consulted with Justin Page from ESPN Stats & Information, who informs us that the league average in that situation, in the same time frame, is more than double LeBron's conversion rate but still a rather modest 22.7 percent.

‎The following table ‎features the 21 players who, across the same 10-season span, have at least 25 attempts to tie or win the game in the final five ticks of regulation or OT.

PLAYER	FGM	FGA	FG%
Rudy Gay	17	38	44.7%
Dirk Nowitzki	13	38	34.2%
Joe Johnson	11	39	28.2%
Vince Carter	9	32	28.1%
Damian Lillard	7	25	28.0%
Kobe Bryant	13	48	27.1%
Deron Williams	10	37	27.0%
Monta Ellis	9	34	26.5%
Raymond Felton	7	27	25.9%
Kevin Durant	12	50	24.0%
Kemba Walker	7	30	23.3%
Carmelo Anthony	9	42	21.4%
Chris Paul	8	38	21.1%
Dwyane Wade	9	47	19.1%
Russell Westbrook	5	29	17.2%
Derrick Rose	5	30	16.7%
Paul Pierce	6	37	16.2%
Andre Iguodala	5	37	13.5%
Brandon Jennings	3	27	11.1%
LeBron James	5	47	10.6%
Jamal Crawford	3	30	10.0%
Total	173	762	22.7%
Minimum 25 attempts to tie or win the game in the final five seconds of regulation/overtime
-- ESPN Stats & Information

Two other notes that will surely interest you:

Stephen Curry's name isn't on the list because, in his seven NBA seasons, he's had the opportunity to attempt only 19 such shots in the final five seconds of regulation or an OT period ... and has made six.

As for Michael Jeffrey Jordan ...

The only available data on such attempts covers MJ's two seasons in Washington and his last two seasons with the Bulls. He was 6 for 15 on such shots.

Turns out he was actually 6 for 10 in these toughest of conditions until going 0 for 5 in his final season with the Wizards in 2002-03.

so Embiid is 19% less than the league average in the last 5 seconds.  noted thanks. 

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

RiotZact said:

pjhawks said:

RiotZact said:

“Casual” is to kind of an adjective. That just implies that you don’t pay attention. Picking and choosing which things to comment about in a sad attempt to grasp at straws because you need to find SOMETHING that doesn’t completely discredit your opinion on something that happened years ago is something entirely different. I’m not sure if there is an adjective for that.

I can say that I personally held the opinion for a few years that Ben Simmons was treated too harshly and Embiid was over praised and under criticized. I am more than happy to admit that, after watching more basketball in this modern era and realizing how amazing Embiid is, I was a complete idiot, and that my former opinion was very dumb. 

Some people just don’t have the equipment to admit that.

I saw a stat that I thought was interesting ajnd posted it.   I made no comment other than to say I knew it wasn't great but didn't think it was that bad. Never once said he wasn't a great player.   But hey some made up stat says he's clutch so I guess the 1-29 means nothing.  

LOL! You’re taking words out of your own mouth. You’re saying “that’s all I was saying” when that’s not all that you were saying. You threw in that bullshit about him being funny. Even in this very comment you had to say “made up stat”. You can’t just say “he’s a great player but I thought that stat was jarring”. You have to throw in extra nonsense.

I love how the clutch stat is "made up" just because he never heard of it before. But I'd say gauging a players performance in the final 5 minutes of a 5 point game is way more intuitive to how clutch a player is than buzzer beaters, which obviously include half court and full court heaves. This article is old but speaks to the laziness of someone hearing a random stat somewhere and taking it for gospel. Notice how everyone on this list is a perimeter player too. 

https://www.espn.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4396/clutch-shots-are-tough-just-ask-lebron-james

Final-second shots are tough; just ask LeBron James

Mar 1, 2016

The stat began to circulate among ESPN's basketball brains not long after LeBron James airballed a potential winning hoist from 3-point range last Friday night in Toronto.

The very contested miss lowered LeBron's regular-season success rate to a mere 10.6 percent in the past 10 seasons -- on 5-for-47 shooting -- when attempting a tying or go-ahead shot in the final five seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime.

Yet to properly process a number that sounds so uncharacteristically low, it helps to have some context on what has to be considered some of the toughest circumstances that a shooter can face.

So we consulted with Justin Page from ESPN Stats & Information, who informs us that the league average in that situation, in the same time frame, is more than double LeBron's conversion rate but still a rather modest 22.7 percent.

‎The following table ‎features the 21 players who, across the same 10-season span, have at least 25 attempts to tie or win the game in the final five ticks of regulation or OT.

PLAYER	FGM	FGA	FG%
Rudy Gay	17	38	44.7%
Dirk Nowitzki	13	38	34.2%
Joe Johnson	11	39	28.2%
Vince Carter	9	32	28.1%
Damian Lillard	7	25	28.0%
Kobe Bryant	13	48	27.1%
Deron Williams	10	37	27.0%
Monta Ellis	9	34	26.5%
Raymond Felton	7	27	25.9%
Kevin Durant	12	50	24.0%
Kemba Walker	7	30	23.3%
Carmelo Anthony	9	42	21.4%
Chris Paul	8	38	21.1%
Dwyane Wade	9	47	19.1%
Russell Westbrook	5	29	17.2%
Derrick Rose	5	30	16.7%
Paul Pierce	6	37	16.2%
Andre Iguodala	5	37	13.5%
Brandon Jennings	3	27	11.1%
LeBron James	5	47	10.6%
Jamal Crawford	3	30	10.0%
Total	173	762	22.7%
Minimum 25 attempts to tie or win the game in the final five seconds of regulation/overtime
-- ESPN Stats & Information

Two other notes that will surely interest you:

Stephen Curry's name isn't on the list because, in his seven NBA seasons, he's had the opportunity to attempt only 19 such shots in the final five seconds of regulation or an OT period ... and has made six.

As for Michael Jeffrey Jordan ...

The only available data on such attempts covers MJ's two seasons in Washington and his last two seasons with the Bulls. He was 6 for 15 on such shots.

Turns out he was actually 6 for 10 in these toughest of conditions until going 0 for 5 in his final season with the Wizards in 2002-03.

so Embiid is 19% less than the league average in the last 5 seconds.  noted thanks. 

Yep. And the second greatest player ever is about 12% less than what you consider "league average" from six years ago.

Yet they're both 1 and 2 in Clutch points this year. So, hopefully you've learned something with this exercise. Thanks for walking right into that one.  

i thought i was on ignore? guess not.  and yes those 2 are 1 and 2 by the standard of 5 minutes. of course their teams are 1 game over and 2 games under .500 so maybe 5 minutes isn't a good barometer?  so maybe it's too small a sample size to really determine clutch-ness or it's kind of a bogus stat since the number 1 and 2 most clutch players in the league team's are average. interesting question i think.

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

RiotZact said:

pjhawks said:

RiotZact said:

“Casual” is to kind of an adjective. That just implies that you don’t pay attention. Picking and choosing which things to comment about in a sad attempt to grasp at straws because you need to find SOMETHING that doesn’t completely discredit your opinion on something that happened years ago is something entirely different. I’m not sure if there is an adjective for that.

I can say that I personally held the opinion for a few years that Ben Simmons was treated too harshly and Embiid was over praised and under criticized. I am more than happy to admit that, after watching more basketball in this modern era and realizing how amazing Embiid is, I was a complete idiot, and that my former opinion was very dumb. 

Some people just don’t have the equipment to admit that.

I saw a stat that I thought was interesting ajnd posted it.   I made no comment other than to say I knew it wasn't great but didn't think it was that bad. Never once said he wasn't a great player.   But hey some made up stat says he's clutch so I guess the 1-29 means nothing.  

LOL! You’re taking words out of your own mouth. You’re saying “that’s all I was saying” when that’s not all that you were saying. You threw in that bullshit about him being funny. Even in this very comment you had to say “made up stat”. You can’t just say “he’s a great player but I thought that stat was jarring”. You have to throw in extra nonsense.

I love how the clutch stat is "made up" just because he never heard of it before. But I'd say gauging a players performance in the final 5 minutes of a 5 point game is way more intuitive to how clutch a player is than buzzer beaters, which obviously include half court and full court heaves. This article is old but speaks to the laziness of someone hearing a random stat somewhere and taking it for gospel. Notice how everyone on this list is a perimeter player too. 

https://www.espn.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4396/clutch-shots-are-tough-just-ask-lebron-james

Final-second shots are tough; just ask LeBron James

Mar 1, 2016

The stat began to circulate among ESPN's basketball brains not long after LeBron James airballed a potential winning hoist from 3-point range last Friday night in Toronto.

The very contested miss lowered LeBron's regular-season success rate to a mere 10.6 percent in the past 10 seasons -- on 5-for-47 shooting -- when attempting a tying or go-ahead shot in the final five seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime.

Yet to properly process a number that sounds so uncharacteristically low, it helps to have some context on what has to be considered some of the toughest circumstances that a shooter can face.

So we consulted with Justin Page from ESPN Stats & Information, who informs us that the league average in that situation, in the same time frame, is more than double LeBron's conversion rate but still a rather modest 22.7 percent.

‎The following table ‎features the 21 players who, across the same 10-season span, have at least 25 attempts to tie or win the game in the final five ticks of regulation or OT.

PLAYER	FGM	FGA	FG%
Rudy Gay	17	38	44.7%
Dirk Nowitzki	13	38	34.2%
Joe Johnson	11	39	28.2%
Vince Carter	9	32	28.1%
Damian Lillard	7	25	28.0%
Kobe Bryant	13	48	27.1%
Deron Williams	10	37	27.0%
Monta Ellis	9	34	26.5%
Raymond Felton	7	27	25.9%
Kevin Durant	12	50	24.0%
Kemba Walker	7	30	23.3%
Carmelo Anthony	9	42	21.4%
Chris Paul	8	38	21.1%
Dwyane Wade	9	47	19.1%
Russell Westbrook	5	29	17.2%
Derrick Rose	5	30	16.7%
Paul Pierce	6	37	16.2%
Andre Iguodala	5	37	13.5%
Brandon Jennings	3	27	11.1%
LeBron James	5	47	10.6%
Jamal Crawford	3	30	10.0%
Total	173	762	22.7%
Minimum 25 attempts to tie or win the game in the final five seconds of regulation/overtime
-- ESPN Stats & Information

Two other notes that will surely interest you:

Stephen Curry's name isn't on the list because, in his seven NBA seasons, he's had the opportunity to attempt only 19 such shots in the final five seconds of regulation or an OT period ... and has made six.

As for Michael Jeffrey Jordan ...

The only available data on such attempts covers MJ's two seasons in Washington and his last two seasons with the Bulls. He was 6 for 15 on such shots.

Turns out he was actually 6 for 10 in these toughest of conditions until going 0 for 5 in his final season with the Wizards in 2002-03.

Curry and Jordan wouldn't be on there much because their teams routed other ones.

My guess is you wouldn't want to be on the list towards the top.

Just my view of it.

Jearlpam0925 said:

Who the hell is working with McGinnis tonight? It's a bit much.