POLL - The WEAKEST LINK of AMERICAN BANDS - (Championship) FINALS

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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Soundgarden
    Soundgarden are one of my favorite bands, but this was a no-brainer. Tom Petty & the HB's mean a lot to me and their music has been the soundtrack to my life.
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  • AW124797
    AW124797 Posts: 762
    Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
    Hobbes said:
    mrussel1 said:
    MedozK said:
    brianlux said:
    OffSheGoes35 said:
    I just realized that I voted for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, and I have no idea who the Heartbreakers even are, Did anybody else just do that or am I the only one?

    My best advice is to run out and buy Damn the Torpedoes.  Start there and keep going- you're in for some great music experiences.
    Eddie is a fan as well:

    I actually watched the Classic Albums doc about Damn the Torpedoes last night. Great documentary going over the making of that album. VERY talented musicians in the Heartbreakers.
    You could have a spirited argument over the Heartbreakers vs the E Street Band.
    That could be an interesting poll: Best backing band. Heartbreakers, E St., The Band, Crazy Horse, Double Trouble, The Wailers, The Revolution, The Mothers of Invention, The Attractions... who else?
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  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,381
    Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
    I love both Petty and Soundgarden but for me it was pretty easy. Cornell has my favorite voice in rock n roll.  Plus three albums that are hard to top. 

    Badmotorfinger
    Louder Than Love
    Superunknown

    Although these do stack up well against them

    Wildflowers
    Damn the Torpedoes 
    Full Moon Fever

    Cant go wrong with either vote in this final IMO
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Soundgarden
    tempo_n_groove said:
    If you have a Petty Best of album it's really good.  If you go album by album you have 2 songs that are good and the rest meh.  I bought both box sets hoping to uncovers some gems and sadly I did not...

    Soundgarden has some great albums where you listen from front to back and it's all good.

    Not my ideal 2 for the finals but it was interesting.
    Who would you chose as the best American band? 
    I would chose Neil Young and Crazy Horse but I think Neil's dual citizenship kept them out of the contest.  Same with The Jimi Hendrix Experience being an international band.  If those two are eliminated, my choice would be underappreciated The Dream Syndicate.
    MedozK said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!
    brianlux said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!

    Yes, for sure, I'll second that!
    :plus_one:
    Your very welcome. Have enjoyed the debates during these polls. This one has one more day, but I already have the next one in mind. I enjoy doing these and as long as y'all keep up the debates I will gladly continue.
    Will definitely look forward to the next one, good man!

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    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Soundgarden
    tempo_n_groove said:
    If you have a Petty Best of album it's really good.  If you go album by album you have 2 songs that are good and the rest meh.  I bought both box sets hoping to uncovers some gems and sadly I did not...

    Soundgarden has some great albums where you listen from front to back and it's all good.

    Not my ideal 2 for the finals but it was interesting.
    Who would you chose as the best American band? 
    I would chose Neil Young and Crazy Horse but I think Neil's dual citizenship kept them out of the contest.  Same with The Jimi Hendrix Experience being an international band.  If those two are eliminated, my choice would be underappreciated The Dream Syndicate.
    MedozK said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!
    brianlux said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!

    Yes, for sure, I'll second that!
    :plus_one:
    Your very welcome. Have enjoyed the debates during these polls. This one has one more day, but I already have the next one in mind. I enjoy doing these and as long as y'all keep up the debates I will gladly continue.
    Will definitely look forward to the next one, good man!

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Soundgarden
    brianlux said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    If you have a Petty Best of album it's really good.  If you go album by album you have 2 songs that are good and the rest meh.  I bought both box sets hoping to uncovers some gems and sadly I did not...

    Soundgarden has some great albums where you listen from front to back and it's all good.

    Not my ideal 2 for the finals but it was interesting.
    Who would you chose as the best American band? 
    I would chose Neil Young and Crazy Horse but I think Neil's dual citizenship kept them out of the contest.  Same with The Jimi Hendrix Experience being an international band.  If those two are eliminated, my choice would be underappreciated The Dream Syndicate.
    MedozK said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!
    brianlux said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!

    Yes, for sure, I'll second that!
    :plus_one:
    Your very welcome. Have enjoyed the debates during these polls. This one has one more day, but I already have the next one in mind. I enjoy doing these and as long as y'all keep up the debates I will gladly continue.
    Will definitely look forward to the next one, good man!

    I would do, not necessarily in this order..

    Bruce and the E Street
    TP and the HB
    CCR
    Doors
    PJ
    Dead

    I also think DMB has a great argument to be on the list. They are more polarizing than the others,  but they have a massive catalog,  tremendous deep cuts,  huge fan base,  touring animals,  and their music is so unique.  It is a product of so many influences,  from jazz to Stevie Wonder, African music and the Dead.  And no one can say they are not masters of their instruments 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Soundgarden
    And I don't have NY and Jimi on the list for the reasons you point out,  not because they aren't amazing. 
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    Soundgarden
    eeriepadave said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Easy vote. If you asked a million people who the. Greatest American band of all time is, no one is even remotely thinking Soundgarden. Absolutely ridiculous they made it this far.  Time to face the truth. 

    So you're shocked they made it this far in a Pearl Jam forum? :lol: Granted if they made it that far in another group yeah i'd be surprised but not here.
    Meh, like I said two rounds ago (or was it three)... the Seattle bias is strong here.

    And for those saying I'm angry.  I'm not angry, but it's just beyond silly to think Soundgarden is a top 2 American band of all time.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Soundgarden
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    If you have a Petty Best of album it's really good.  If you go album by album you have 2 songs that are good and the rest meh.  I bought both box sets hoping to uncovers some gems and sadly I did not...

    Soundgarden has some great albums where you listen from front to back and it's all good.

    Not my ideal 2 for the finals but it was interesting.
    Who would you chose as the best American band? 
    I would chose Neil Young and Crazy Horse but I think Neil's dual citizenship kept them out of the contest.  Same with The Jimi Hendrix Experience being an international band.  If those two are eliminated, my choice would be underappreciated The Dream Syndicate.
    MedozK said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!
    brianlux said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!

    Yes, for sure, I'll second that!
    :plus_one:
    Your very welcome. Have enjoyed the debates during these polls. This one has one more day, but I already have the next one in mind. I enjoy doing these and as long as y'all keep up the debates I will gladly continue.
    Will definitely look forward to the next one, good man!

    I would do, not necessarily in this order..

    Bruce and the E Street
    TP and the HB
    CCR
    Doors
    PJ
    Dead

    I also think DMB has a great argument to be on the list. They are more polarizing than the others,  but they have a massive catalog,  tremendous deep cuts,  huge fan base,  touring animals,  and their music is so unique.  It is a product of so many influences,  from jazz to Stevie Wonder, African music and the Dead.  And no one can say they are not masters of their instruments 

    DMB?  Dave Matthews I assume?  Great musician, excellent band, but oddly idiosyncratic song writing.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Soundgarden
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    If you have a Petty Best of album it's really good.  If you go album by album you have 2 songs that are good and the rest meh.  I bought both box sets hoping to uncovers some gems and sadly I did not...

    Soundgarden has some great albums where you listen from front to back and it's all good.

    Not my ideal 2 for the finals but it was interesting.
    Who would you chose as the best American band? 
    I would chose Neil Young and Crazy Horse but I think Neil's dual citizenship kept them out of the contest.  Same with The Jimi Hendrix Experience being an international band.  If those two are eliminated, my choice would be underappreciated The Dream Syndicate.
    MedozK said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!
    brianlux said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!

    Yes, for sure, I'll second that!
    :plus_one:
    Your very welcome. Have enjoyed the debates during these polls. This one has one more day, but I already have the next one in mind. I enjoy doing these and as long as y'all keep up the debates I will gladly continue.
    Will definitely look forward to the next one, good man!

    I would do, not necessarily in this order..

    Bruce and the E Street
    TP and the HB
    CCR
    Doors
    PJ
    Dead

    I also think DMB has a great argument to be on the list. They are more polarizing than the others,  but they have a massive catalog,  tremendous deep cuts,  huge fan base,  touring animals,  and their music is so unique.  It is a product of so many influences,  from jazz to Stevie Wonder, African music and the Dead.  And no one can say they are not masters of their instruments 

    DMB?  Dave Matthews I assume?  Great musician, excellent band, but oddly idiosyncratic song writing.
    Yes and yes.  That's why they are not everyone's taste (unlike someone like Tom who is very accessible), but it also makes them very unique.  That's why I don't necessarily consider them on the list broadley,  but they are absolutely there for me personally. I don't know if I've seen them or PJ more times but both are over 50. 

    I'm sure some around here would put Phish up there too. But they also have an accessibility issue. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,494
    Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
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  • Gibson
    Gibson Chicago Posts: 2,671
    Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
    I prefer Soundgarden, but Petty likely has the superior catalogue.

    Still sad that REM dropped as early as they did. Even with a stellar career, they're still insanely underappreciated and undervalued.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,552
    Soundgarden
    sorry SG. love ya, but you ain't the greatest. TP? not either, but much closer. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,552
    Soundgarden
    MedozK said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!
    brianlux said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!

    Yes, for sure, I'll second that!
    :plus_one:
    Your very welcome. Have enjoyed the debates during these polls. This one has one more day, but I already have the next one in mind. I enjoy doing these and as long as y'all keep up the debates I will gladly continue.
    maybe I'll do a canadian one so me and 4 other people can participate and argue with me about the greatness of the Headstones and the Watchmen, eventually leading to the Hip winning. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Soundgarden
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    MedozK said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!
    brianlux said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!

    Yes, for sure, I'll second that!
    :plus_one:
    Your very welcome. Have enjoyed the debates during these polls. This one has one more day, but I already have the next one in mind. I enjoy doing these and as long as y'all keep up the debates I will gladly continue.
    maybe I'll do a canadian one so me and 4 other people can participate and argue with me about the greatness of the Headstones and the Watchmen, eventually leading to the Hip winning. 
    No Rush,  Guess Who or Neil?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,552
    Soundgarden
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    MedozK said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!
    brianlux said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!

    Yes, for sure, I'll second that!
    :plus_one:
    Your very welcome. Have enjoyed the debates during these polls. This one has one more day, but I already have the next one in mind. I enjoy doing these and as long as y'all keep up the debates I will gladly continue.
    maybe I'll do a canadian one so me and 4 other people can participate and argue with me about the greatness of the Headstones and the Watchmen, eventually leading to the Hip winning. 
    No Rush,  Guess Who or Neil?
    of course. but my generation might end up voting the Hip. not a lot of fans of the guess who. I think a lot of people try to claim Neil as canadian, but he hasn't been "really canadian" for decades, and rush is very polarizing. 

    there's actually so many great canadian bands, you could probably do different ones; a classic rock one and a modern one. But so very few would be known to people here. 
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  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    Soundgarden
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    MedozK said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!
    brianlux said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!

    Yes, for sure, I'll second that!
    :plus_one:
    Your very welcome. Have enjoyed the debates during these polls. This one has one more day, but I already have the next one in mind. I enjoy doing these and as long as y'all keep up the debates I will gladly continue.
    maybe I'll do a canadian one so me and 4 other people can participate and argue with me about the greatness of the Headstones and the Watchmen, eventually leading to the Hip winning. 
    No Rush,  Guess Who or Neil?
    I would be more interested having these bands in there to see what the folks around the globe participating in these frivolous and fun polls think.  With so much foreign opinion, it is seems highly unlikely the Hip win, unless Jeff Ament’s Hip/Gord Downie fandom carries heavy weight around here (possibly?).  It would be interesting to see where the discussions go. 

    Since these polls are Mendozk’s baby, I would not begin one on my own but as stated in a previous thread, would be very interested in what bands he would include.  I have a hunch The Band, Rush and Arcade Fire would do very well. 
     
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,552
    Soundgarden
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    MedozK said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!
    brianlux said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!

    Yes, for sure, I'll second that!
    :plus_one:
    Your very welcome. Have enjoyed the debates during these polls. This one has one more day, but I already have the next one in mind. I enjoy doing these and as long as y'all keep up the debates I will gladly continue.
    maybe I'll do a canadian one so me and 4 other people can participate and argue with me about the greatness of the Headstones and the Watchmen, eventually leading to the Hip winning. 
    No Rush,  Guess Who or Neil?
    I would be more interested having these bands in there to see what the folks around the globe participating in these frivolous and fun polls think.  With so much foreign opinion, it is seems highly unlikely the Hip win, unless Jeff Ament’s Hip/Gord Downie fandom carries heavy weight around here (possibly?).  It would be interesting to see where the discussions go. 

    Since these polls are Mendozk’s baby, I would not begin one on my own but as stated in a previous thread, would be very interested in what bands he would include.  I have a hunch The Band, Rush and Arcade Fire would do very well. 
     
    The 3tards.....not so much. 
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  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    Soundgarden
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    MedozK said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!
    brianlux said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!

    Yes, for sure, I'll second that!
    :plus_one:
    Your very welcome. Have enjoyed the debates during these polls. This one has one more day, but I already have the next one in mind. I enjoy doing these and as long as y'all keep up the debates I will gladly continue.
    maybe I'll do a canadian one so me and 4 other people can participate and argue with me about the greatness of the Headstones and the Watchmen, eventually leading to the Hip winning. 
    No Rush,  Guess Who or Neil?
    I would be more interested having these bands in there to see what the folks around the globe participating in these frivolous and fun polls think.  With so much foreign opinion, it is seems highly unlikely the Hip win, unless Jeff Ament’s Hip/Gord Downie fandom carries heavy weight around here (possibly?).  It would be interesting to see where the discussions go. 

    Since these polls are Mendozk’s baby, I would not begin one on my own but as stated in a previous thread, would be very interested in what bands he would include.  I have a hunch The Band, Rush and Arcade Fire would do very well. 
     
    The 3tards.....not so much. 

    About as well as Dayglos
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    Soundgarden
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    MedozK said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!
    brianlux said:
    goldrush said:
    I would never say that Soundgarden are the greatest American band, but I have all of their music and I have zero interest in Tom Petty so it’s an easy - if insignificant - vote for me.

    Thanks again to @MedozK for these polls, they’ve been fun!

    Yes, for sure, I'll second that!
    :plus_one:
    Your very welcome. Have enjoyed the debates during these polls. This one has one more day, but I already have the next one in mind. I enjoy doing these and as long as y'all keep up the debates I will gladly continue.
    maybe I'll do a canadian one so me and 4 other people can participate and argue with me about the greatness of the Headstones and the Watchmen, eventually leading to the Hip winning. 
    No Rush,  Guess Who or Neil?
    of course. but my generation might end up voting the Hip. not a lot of fans of the guess who. I think a lot of people try to claim Neil as canadian, but he hasn't been "really canadian" for decades, and rush is very polarizing. 

    there's actually so many great canadian bands, you could probably do different ones; a classic rock one and a modern one. But so very few would be known to people here. 
    I think Celine Dion would take it, lol. But then again, Alanis Morissette is God - at least according to Kevin Smith. And can’t forget about Barenaked Ladies, BTO, my current favorite band Metric, Crash Test Dummies, Our Lady Peace,  Arcade Fire, Tegan and Sara, Steppenwolf, and Godspeed You! Black Emperor. But yeah in all seriousness the Hip would win. 
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