A smoke-free country? New Zealand taxes aim for it

CM189191 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Prohibition never works, in Ontario a pack of smokes is around $15 or more.  So most common sense people just buy off indigenous communities at a fraction of the cost, I’m sure they have a large black market tobacco industry… 

'never works'







https://uwaterloo.ca/tobacco-use-canada/adult-tobacco-use/smoking-provinces/ontario

I’m going to invoke the correlation vs causation argument here.  Is the decrease due to laws or due to other factors, like increased knowledge of the adverse side effects of smoking?  The cigarette marketing got hit hard in the late 90s.
Also in the 90s, we started seeing a lot of new deaths and effects from long term cigarettes use stemming from the soldiers of WW2 (when they were given out like candy), so there are a ton of other factors that could weigh as much or more than new laws.  

I also suspect any information about tobacco decreases are inaccurate due to the huge black market industry…pretty hard to know.  Same as cannabis, a huge black market exist…

I've despised cigarettes for as long as I can remember. The only thing I wish was different during my college years and in my 20's was if the smoking bans were in place already. Even now, just thinking of how horrible my clothes smelled the next morning makes me slightly nauseous. 

Not sure about prohibition either but just making them illegal in so many public places has had much of the same effect over the last twenty years or so. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

I've despised cigarettes for as long as I can remember. The only thing I wish was different during my college years and in my 20's was if the smoking bans were in place already. Even now, just thinking of how horrible my clothes smelled the next morning makes me slightly nauseous. 

Not sure about prohibition either but just making them illegal in so many public places has had much of the same effect over the last twenty years or so. 

I think this is the key. prohibition doesn't work. hitting social animals where it hurts does. (I used to smoke-about 15 years or so until my kids were born-quit because of that and the cost). 

Wish my best friend of almost 40 years would've done what you did(quit when his kids were born). He was gone(ONLY 50) and wasn't around when they graduated HS.

Lost my Dad when he was only 57.

I tried cigarettes when I was in middle school and it felt like I threw a bunch of nails down my throat. That was enough for me not to smoke cigarettes.

HughFreakingDillon said:

cutz said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

I've despised cigarettes for as long as I can remember. The only thing I wish was different during my college years and in my 20's was if the smoking bans were in place already. Even now, just thinking of how horrible my clothes smelled the next morning makes me slightly nauseous. 

Not sure about prohibition either but just making them illegal in so many public places has had much of the same effect over the last twenty years or so. 

I think this is the key. prohibition doesn't work. hitting social animals where it hurts does. (I used to smoke-about 15 years or so until my kids were born-quit because of that and the cost). 

Wish my best friend of almost 40 years would've done what you did(quit when his kids were born). He was gone(ONLY 50) and wasn't around when they graduated HS.

Lost my Dad when he was only 57.

I tried cigarettes when I was in middle school and it felt like I threw a bunch of nails down my throat. That was enough for me not to smoke cigarettes.

it was about my 40th time trying and I had a few "do overs" and some "I'll only smoke when I drink" durations, till I quit full time forever 7-8 years ago. 

my health suffered as a result, however. gained a ton of weight that now I struggle with. not sure which is worse. 

Yeah, as you know, Nicotine might be the most addictive habit to break.