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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited October 2021
    Gern Blansten said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Gern Blansten said:
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    Gern Blansten said:
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    mickeyrat said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I'm no lawyer but he was handed a gun and was told it was a "cold gun".....they can try to hold him culpable but he won't be found culpable based on what I've heard.
    So if I’m at a gun range (controlled setting) and the range master tells me my gun is unloaded and I pick it up and shoot someone without checking it myself, am I at all culpable?
    There are still choices that come into play.  
    Choice 1- to point or not to point at someone
    Choice 2-to do my own safety check or not
    Choice 3-to pull the trigger or not
    If your choices could have changed the outcome, you can be held culpable.  Keep in mind, a big part of the law surrounding this is based on whether or not the person knew that the object (gun) was capable of causing harm.  In Baldwin’s case, there had already been accidental discharges on set and plenty of safety concerns.  Did he know that it was a real gun capable of firing real bullets that he was holding? I think it’s pretty easy to conclude he did.  

    different circumstances. at a range , why the fuck would you have blanks?
    Maybe to test out the function of a firearm you plan to use as a prop gun?  :)
    They are a actually very similar scenarios and I think you are missing the point.
    What I think is ironic is how many of you anti-gun people are being so lenient here.  If Baldwin is not charged, it opens the door to plenty of “but I didn’t know it was really loaded” excuses for people to use in future culpably proceedings with gun accidents, when the momentum should be to hold people more accountable for firearm safety…but I digress…
    The gun control crowd taking Baldwin’s side are figuratively shooting themselves in the foot (pun intended).
    How many times had Baldwin fired a gun on set in that location? Do you know?
    I don’t, do you?  Not sure it matters in the least.  Do you think he should be able to reasonably tell the difference between a plastic gun incapable of causing damage and a real one capable of causing damage?
    Plastic? You think they use plastic guns? Maybe they will now but they obviously don't use plastic guns.
    Yes, they “obviously” do use plastic guns…
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-27/authorities-to-present-findings-in-fatal-movie-set-shooting
    “Two other guns were seized, including a single-action revolver that may have been modified and a plastic gun that was described as a revolver, officials said.”

    JFC
    You are still carrying this on? You stated that he should have known it was a real gun because it wasn't plastic. I stated that was ridiculous because they use real guns all the time.

    You have now posted two articles that back up my position. They use real guns and it would NOT be unusual to pick up a real gun.
    ??  This was your exact quote:
      “Plastic? You think they use plastic guns? Maybe they will now but they obviously don't use plastic guns.”

    I showed that they do have plastic guns on set, so what am I missing?  I never said or claimed they don’t use real guns…Just the opposite, actually.  The reason I mentioned a plastic gun in the first place is to point out that Baldwin should have know what was in his hand was capable of causing harm, as apposed to a plastic prop.
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    If I heard right on the news this morning, there wasn't supposed to be live ammo on the set at all.  Someone may have snuck a bullet in that gun.

    That would be intent.
  • mace1229
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    If I heard right on the news this morning, there wasn't supposed to be live ammo on the set at all.  Someone may have snuck a bullet in that gun.

    That would be intent.
    There were several accounts of people taking target practice during down time though. There probably was a no live ammo policy, but it probably wasn’t enforced.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Meanwhile, happy Halloween ‘Murica.

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    Meaningless but amusing tapes of America's #1 civil rights organization scrambling after Columbine.

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  • CM189191
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    hunter hospitalized after accidentally shooting himself in the leg

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/minnesota-hunter-hospitalized-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-in-the-leg

    Better luck next time Darwin
  • mickeyrat
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    CM189191 said:
    hunter hospitalized after accidentally shooting himself in the leg

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/minnesota-hunter-hospitalized-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-in-the-leg

    Better luck next time Darwin
    The initial investigation indicates the man accidentally discharged his weapon while climbing into a tree stand.


    my take....
    The initial investigation indicates the man recklessly climbed the tree  while weapon was loaded with a round chambered and the safety off. The weapon discharged, striking the man in the leg.


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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    CM189191 said:
    hunter hospitalized after accidentally shooting himself in the leg

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/minnesota-hunter-hospitalized-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-in-the-leg

    Better luck next time Darwin
    Does he continue to be able to legally own firearms, showing how “responsible” he can be with them?
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  • brianlux
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    I'm going with CM's Darwinian theory.  Way too may idiots in America with guns.  Way way way too many.
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  • Bentleyspop
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    CM189191 said:
    hunter hospitalized after accidentally shooting himself in the leg

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/minnesota-hunter-hospitalized-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-in-the-leg

    Better luck next time Darwin
    Does he continue to be able to legally own firearms, showing how “responsible” he can be with them?
    He gets a free upgrade for his nra membership 
  • JeBurkhardt
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    mickeyrat said:
    CM189191 said:
    hunter hospitalized after accidentally shooting himself in the leg

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/minnesota-hunter-hospitalized-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-in-the-leg

    Better luck next time Darwin
    The initial investigation indicates the man accidentally discharged his weapon while climbing into a tree stand.


    my take....
    The initial investigation indicates the man recklessly climbed the tree  while weapon was loaded with a round chambered and the safety off. The weapon discharged, striking the man in the leg.


    BINGO! 
  • PJPOWER
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    edited November 2021
    JeBurkhardt said:
    mickeyrat said:
    CM189191 said:
    hunter hospitalized after accidentally shooting himself in the leg

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/minnesota-hunter-hospitalized-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-in-the-leg

    Better luck next time Darwin
    The initial investigation indicates the man accidentally discharged his weapon while climbing into a tree stand.


    my take....
    The initial investigation indicates the man recklessly climbed the tree  while weapon was loaded with a round chambered and the safety off. The weapon discharged, striking the man in the leg.


    BINGO! 
    Was it Alec Baldwin?  Seems like that is how he handles his firearms, so just checking.
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  • static111
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    PJPOWER said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    mickeyrat said:
    CM189191 said:
    hunter hospitalized after accidentally shooting himself in the leg

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/minnesota-hunter-hospitalized-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-in-the-leg

    Better luck next time Darwin
    The initial investigation indicates the man accidentally discharged his weapon while climbing into a tree stand.


    my take....
    The initial investigation indicates the man recklessly climbed the tree  while weapon was loaded with a round chambered and the safety off. The weapon discharged, striking the man in the leg.


    BINGO! 
    Was it Alec Baldwin?  Seems like that is how he handles his firearms, so just checking.
    Of course he doesn't get held to the standards of everyday people when it comes to handling firearms.
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  • PJPOWER
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    static111 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    mickeyrat said:
    CM189191 said:
    hunter hospitalized after accidentally shooting himself in the leg

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/minnesota-hunter-hospitalized-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-in-the-leg

    Better luck next time Darwin
    The initial investigation indicates the man accidentally discharged his weapon while climbing into a tree stand.


    my take....
    The initial investigation indicates the man recklessly climbed the tree  while weapon was loaded with a round chambered and the safety off. The weapon discharged, striking the man in the leg.


    BINGO! 
    Was it Alec Baldwin?  Seems like that is how he handles his firearms, so just checking.
    Of course he doesn't get held to the standards of everyday people when it comes to handling firearms.
    Oh yeah, I forget.  If you are a Baldwin, you can be reckless with a gun because you are just an idiot actor, not a “responsible” gun handler.
  • mickeyrat
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    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    mickeyrat said:
    CM189191 said:
    hunter hospitalized after accidentally shooting himself in the leg

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/minnesota-hunter-hospitalized-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-in-the-leg

    Better luck next time Darwin
    The initial investigation indicates the man accidentally discharged his weapon while climbing into a tree stand.


    my take....
    The initial investigation indicates the man recklessly climbed the tree  while weapon was loaded with a round chambered and the safety off. The weapon discharged, striking the man in the leg.


    BINGO! 
    Was it Alec Baldwin?  Seems like that is how he handles his firearms, so just checking.
    Of course he doesn't get held to the standards of everyday people when it comes to handling firearms.
    Oh yeah, I forget.  If you are a Baldwin, you can be reckless with a gun because you are just an idiot actor, not a “responsible” gun handler.

    so wait. this hunter was handed his gun by someone in an authority role over him stating it was "cold" in a (loose) approximation of movie set protocol?
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  • mickeyrat
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    he was just acting like he was going to shoot an animal from tree stand?
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  • PJPOWER
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    edited November 2021
    mickeyrat said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    mickeyrat said:
    CM189191 said:
    hunter hospitalized after accidentally shooting himself in the leg

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/minnesota-hunter-hospitalized-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-in-the-leg

    Better luck next time Darwin
    The initial investigation indicates the man accidentally discharged his weapon while climbing into a tree stand.


    my take....
    The initial investigation indicates the man recklessly climbed the tree  while weapon was loaded with a round chambered and the safety off. The weapon discharged, striking the man in the leg.


    BINGO! 
    Was it Alec Baldwin?  Seems like that is how he handles his firearms, so just checking.
    Of course he doesn't get held to the standards of everyday people when it comes to handling firearms.
    Oh yeah, I forget.  If you are a Baldwin, you can be reckless with a gun because you are just an idiot actor, not a “responsible” gun handler.

    so wait. this hunter was handed his gun by someone in an authority role over him stating it was "cold" in a (loose) approximation of movie set protocol?
    Who knows, once it was in his hands, it was his responsibility not to point it at his leg and do a quick safety check, just like Baldwin.  At least he “just” shot himself and his carelessness didn’t take someone else’s life.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    Since we’re taking about Alex again it made me think of this. I was watching part of the closing arguments on the Rittenhouse trial. The defense was going to use the gun as a prop in his speech, as he grabbed it he pointed to someone off camera and said “he checked it, it’s clear.”
    Immediately the judge stopped him, and asked when? Then before he could answer he said “have it checked again.” It was checked in front of everyone to see.

    To me that seems like how things should work. Not everyone can be expected to be an expert. But if you’re not and you plan to handle a gun, at least be present and witness it being checked by an expert and not just assume that it was.
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    so when is parent of the year Baldwin getting charged?
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Rittenhouse is walking and Baldwin is probably going to be convicted (via plea bargain that gives him probation and no time).

    But that doesn't reflect which on I'd feel safer around.
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