Infrastructure Bill Discussion

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Biden hails ‘monumental step forward’ as Democrats pass infrastructure bill
The president will sign $1tn package into law after House ended months-long standoff by approving bipartisan deal
Joe Biden saluted a “monumental step forward as a nation” on Saturday, after House Democrats finally reached agreement and sent a $1tn infrastructure package to his desk to be signed, a huge boost for an administration which has struggled for victories.
“This is a blue-collar blueprint to rebuild America,” Biden said, “and it’s long overdue.”
There was also a setback, however, as Democrats postponed a vote on an even larger bill. That 10-year, $1.85tn spending plan to bolster health, family and climate change programmes, known as Build Back Better, was sidetracked after centrists demanded a cost estimate from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). Biden said he was confident he could get it passed.
Walking out to address reporters at the White House, the president began with a joke at the expense of his predecessor, Donald Trump.
“Finally, it’s infrastructure week,” he said.
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And from Heather Cox Richards letter this evening, no, Republicans, it is NOT "socialism":
Lincoln, who first articulated the principles of the Republican Party, and under whom the party invented the American income tax, the “legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves---in their separate, and individual capacities.” Those things included, he wrote, “public roads and highways, public schools, charities, pauperism, orphanage, estates of the deceased, and the machinery of government itself.”
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OK, fine then. Don't talk about it!
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I’ll comment. I have no idea whats in it...its probably load with pork barrel spending.
But I’ll say this. If the bill does include mass investment in electrified rail whether it be high speed or not.
If it does not, then I guess Greta and her friends are right...Its just talk
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Annnnnnnd there off....
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We need to update for sure and I hope there are already plans in place to expand green energy and rails. Hopefully it doesn't become a money sink that results in a few patched potholes and bridges to nowhere. I am for now very hopeful that it is going to be a great program that does what it has been sold to us as doing. Updating the infrastructure and created good paying jobs.Scio me nihil scire
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aside from the usual roads and bridge replacements, whats critical in this bill is the monies for beginning to update water infrastructure and expansion of broadband to rural communities
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static111 said:We need to update for sure and I hope there are already plans in place to expand green energy and rails. Hopefully it doesn't become a money sink that results in a few patched potholes and bridges to nowhere. I am for now very hopeful that it is going to be a great program that does what it has been sold to us as doing. Updating the infrastructure and created good paying jobs.
I'm concerned about this possibly being a money sink as well. On the plus side, it will create jobs, make badly needed repairs in transportation, terribly old and crumbling power grid in much of the country, hopefully ground power stations to avoid the disastrous results of a Carrington type event, and improve rail service.
Improving and refurbishing existing railroads is, I believe, one of the most important aspects of this spending bill. We hear all this talk about global warming yet do little to slow it down. Here's a chance to do something positive in that direction. Railroads use the least amount of energy per weight and distance measurements than any other form of transportation. Rails systems are far more efficient energy-wise than trucking, automotive and shipping. A revitalized rail system makes tons of sense and I hope the powers that be recognize this.
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mickeyrat said:aside from the usual roads and bridge replacements, whats critical in this bill is the monies for beginning to update water infrastructure and expansion of broadband to rural communities
Yes! And I understand some of the money will be used for Great Lakes restoration. Good thing!
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Jeez, are you five? Give people a chance to think, process, etc.
As far as creating jobs…am I missing something, or aren’t we already at a shortage of employees? Do more jobs need to be created, or existing ones tweaked?
I take pretty much every promise from a politician and these so called amazing bills with a shitload of salt.Hopefully the money isn’t wasted. Then again, we can always print more0 -
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The $1 trillion infrastructure plan that now goes to President Joe Biden to sign into law has money for roads, bridges, ports, rail transit, safe water, the power grid, broadband internet and more.
The House passed the bipartisan plan Friday night and Biden said Saturday he will hold a signing ceremony when lawmakers return from a week’s recess.
The new law promises to reach almost every corner of the country. It’s a historic investment that the president has compared to the building of the transcontinental railroad and Interstate Highway System. The White House is projecting that the investments will add, on average, about 2 million jobs per year over the coming decade.
The bill cleared the House on a 228-206 vote, ending weeks of intraparty negotiations in which liberal Democrats insisted the legislation be tied to a larger, $1.75 trillion social spending bill — an effort to press more moderate Democrats to support both.
The Senate passed the legislation on a 69-30 vote in August after rare bipartisan negotiations, and the House kept that compromise intact. Thirteen House Republicans voted for the bill, giving Democrats more than enough votes to overcome a handful of defections from progressives.
Here’s a breakdown of the bill:
ROADS AND BRIDGES
The bill would provide $110 billion to repair the nation’s aging highways, bridges and roads. According to the White House, 173,000 total miles or nearly 280,000 kilometers of America’s highways and major roads and 45,000 bridges are in poor condition. And the almost $40 billion for bridges is the single largest dedicated bridge investment since the construction of the national highway system, according to the Biden administration.
PUBLIC TRANSIT
The $39 billion for public transit in the legislation would expand transportation systems, improve accessibility for people with disabilities and provide dollars to state and local governments to buy zero-emission and low-emission buses. The Transportation Department estimates that the current repair backlog is more than 24,000 buses, 5,000 rail cars, 200 stations and thousands of miles of track and power systems.
PASSENGER AND FREIGHT RAIL
To reduce Amtrak’s maintenance backlog, which has worsened since Superstorm Sandy nine years ago, the bill would provide $66 billion to improve the rail service’s Northeast Corridor (457 miles, 735 km), as well as other routes. It’s less than the $80 billion Biden — who famously rode Amtrak from Delaware to Washington during his time in the Senate — originally asked for, but it would be the largest federal investment in passenger rail service since Amtrak was founded 50 years ago.
ELECTRIC VEHICLES
The bill would spend $7.5 billion for electric vehicle charging stations, which the administration says are critical to accelerating the use of electric vehicles to curb climate change. It would also provide $5 billion for the purchase of electric school buses and hybrids, reducing reliance on school buses that run on diesel fuel.
INTERNET ACCESS
The legislation’s $65 billion for broadband access would aim to improve internet services for rural areas, low-income families and tribal communities. Most of the money would be made available through grants to states.
MODERNIZING THE ELECTRIC GRID
To protect against the power outages that have become more frequent in recent years, the bill would spend $65 billion to improve the reliability and resiliency of the power grid. It would also boost carbon capture technologies and more environmentally friendly electricity sources like clean hydrogen.
AIRPORTS
The bill would spend $25 billion to improve runways, gates and taxiways at airports and to improve terminals. It would also improve aging air traffic control towers.
WATER AND WASTEWATER
The legislation would spend $55 billion on water and wastewater infrastructure. It has $15 billion to replace lead pipes and $10 billion to address water contamination from polyfluoroalkyl substances — chemicals that were used in the production of Teflon and have also been used in firefighting foam, water-repellent clothing and many other items.
PAYING FOR IT
The five-year spending package would be paid for by tapping $210 billion in unspent COVID-19 relief aid and $53 billion in unemployment insurance aid some states have halted, along with an array of smaller pots of money, like petroleum reserve sales and spectrum auctions for 5G services.
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Here's the issue I have with this bill and why I haven't commented on it. I really don't know what is in it, and I don't think anyone does. I've seen the same numbers posted above, but that only totals around $450 billion. SO where's the other 750 billion? I just think its dumb to pass a bill thats 2700 pages when I assume no one read it all.
Maybe it is all good things, but this is also when stupid money gets spent and people wonder why and its gets pointed back to a foot note in a bill.
Its not just this bill, but I don't understad why its common practice to pass such large bills with the expectation that everyone who is voting hasn't even read it.0 -
I’ll admit I don’t know all the details, but this first infrastructure bill seems like the no brainer.
If we are still bitching about infrastructure after it’s spent then I’ll have a problemhippiemom = goodness0 -
mickeyrat said:aside from the usual roads and bridge replacements, whats critical in this bill is the monies for beginning to update water infrastructure and expansion of broadband to rural communities"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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mace1229 said:Here's the issue I have with this bill and why I haven't commented on it. I really don't know what is in it, and I don't think anyone does. I've seen the same numbers posted above, but that only totals around $450 billion. SO where's the other 750 billion? I just think its dumb to pass a bill thats 2700 pages when I assume no one read it all.
Maybe it is all good things, but this is also when stupid money gets spent and people wonder why and its gets pointed back to a foot note in a bill.
Its not just this bill, but I don't understad why its common practice to pass such large bills with the expectation that everyone who is voting hasn't even read it.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684
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mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:Here's the issue I have with this bill and why I haven't commented on it. I really don't know what is in it, and I don't think anyone does. I've seen the same numbers posted above, but that only totals around $450 billion. SO where's the other 750 billion? I just think its dumb to pass a bill thats 2700 pages when I assume no one read it all.
Maybe it is all good things, but this is also when stupid money gets spent and people wonder why and its gets pointed back to a foot note in a bill.
Its not just this bill, but I don't understad why its common practice to pass such large bills with the expectation that everyone who is voting hasn't even read it.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684
Everything in it may be great. I’m just not a fan of the practice of huge bills where almost no one has read it when they vote. Did this bill really need to be 2700 pages? If not, what is being snuck in? If it does, then maybe chunk it into a few bills they can actually read.0 -
mace1229 said:Here's the issue I have with this bill and why I haven't commented on it. I really don't know what is in it, and I don't think anyone does. I've seen the same numbers posted above, but that only totals around $450 billion. SO where's the other 750 billion? I just think its dumb to pass a bill thats 2700 pages when I assume no one read it all.
Maybe it is all good things, but this is also when stupid money gets spent and people wonder why and its gets pointed back to a foot note in a bill.
Its not just this bill, but I don't understad why its common practice to pass such large bills with the expectation that everyone who is voting hasn't even read it.I have to admit, with this bill I am a bit running on faith. That said, I have no doubt some of this money will be wasted. It's government and government is not particularly well known for good budgeting practices. If government budgeted as well as some of us do (not to brag, but myself included) it would go a lot better. But here's the thing: they're going to spend the money anyway. And if they spend it on things that improve life for us and provide jobs and maybe some clean water for folks, I'd rather see them over spend on things like that than over-spend on bombs and space wars and rockets to Mars and other such crap.And if they blow this one, it's going to come back on the Democrats and I don't think they want that to happen. My guess, this well help many people, and many people will be happier. That's my hope anyway."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
It’s really not that difficult to see what’s in the bill. All you need to do is spend a little time utilizing the transparent method our congress puts out there for you to do so. Micky posted a link and within 5 minutes I could see where the money goes and how much. Do I know all the ins and outs of every reference and what strings are attached? No, of course not. That requires me to be an engaged citizen and do more reading and research, all available online. You could also call your representatives and ask them to send you a list of how much and what for for your state. Interns love putting that together. Or, relying upon the media, both fake news and social, and maybe being misinformed or remaining ignorant. Choices. Effort. Engagement. Attention. Excuses. Lack of or abundance of, depending, is what’s wrong with this country.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684/text
Forest Service and Fish and Game are getting $20-$30M (Mid $20s to mid $30s) each a year for several years. States are getting block grants for transportation infrastructure. S.D. is getting $2.6B despite their complete congressional delegation voting against the bill. That money should be slow walked.
Point being, bottom line, if you really want to know what’s in the bill, you can find out. It’s not that difficult.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:It’s really not that difficult to see what’s in the bill. All you need to do is spend a little time utilizing the transparent method our congress puts out there for you to do so. Micky posted a link and within 5 minutes I could see where the money goes and how much. Do I know all the ins and outs of every reference and what strings are attached? No, of course not. That requires me to be an engaged citizen and do more reading and research, all available online. You could also call your representatives and ask them to send you a list of how much and what for for your state. Interns love putting that together. Or, relying upon the media, both fake news and social, and maybe being misinformed or remaining ignorant. Choices. Effort. Engagement. Attention. Excuses. Lack of or abundance of, depending, is what’s wrong with this country.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684/text
Forest Service and Fish and Game are getting $20-$30M (Mid $20s to mid $30s) each a year for several years. States are getting block grants for transportation infrastructure. S.D. is getting $2.6B despite their complete congressional delegation voting against the bill. That money should be slow walked.
Point being, bottom line, if you really want to know what’s in the bill, you can find out. It’s not that difficult.
And I completely disagree with withholding funds for districts who’s representatives voted against it. They still pay taxes and fund the government. Just because their representative disagreed with how to spend money doesn’t mean their infrastructure should suffer.Post edited by mace1229 on0
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