Tragic event in which Alec Baldwin 'discharged' prop gun that left cinematographer dead.
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PJPOWER said:
Sorry, what I meant to say was “thoughts and prayers”.mickeyrat said:care to keep kicking or is the horse dead yet.no. your point was made. well made. over and over and over and over.I want to know where the breakdown occured and how.what was industry standard before this incident , how that wasnt met.what changes should be adopted industry wide and how those come about. Who drives that? Crew unions? Directors guild? Producers? Insurance?_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Thanks for clarifying. I think every entity you mentioned could help drive change and I think OSHA should get involved as well and require a minimum set of training for anyone handling a firearm on the job in any capacity.mickeyrat said:PJPOWER said:
Sorry, what I meant to say was “thoughts and prayers”.mickeyrat said:care to keep kicking or is the horse dead yet.no. your point was made. well made. over and over and over and over.I want to know where the breakdown occured and how.what was industry standard before this incident , how that wasnt met.what changes should be adopted industry wide and how those come about. Who drives that? Crew unions? Directors guild? Producers? Insurance?Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…brianlux said:Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts. They're actors. And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place? Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
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Except for “responsible” gun buyers in the “real world.” What a joke. Heavy advocacy for movie sets and the “tragic consequences” but nothing but Yee haws and Buh Buh Buh the 2A for the rest of us not living on a movie set. Hilarious.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.Meltdown99 said:
Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…brianlux said:Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts. They're actors. And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place? Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
He should be charged…
Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.This weekend we rock Portland0 -
Exactly why everyone should treat every gun as if it were loaded with a live round. Basic safety…never point at anyone (no exceptions for actors or movie sets, they are obviously not immune to accidents) and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are sure of your target and ready to destroy what you are aiming at. Very very basic stuff that anyone handling a firearm should know.Poncier said:
Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.Meltdown99 said:
Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…brianlux said:Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts. They're actors. And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place? Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
He should be charged…
Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
The last thing anyone should ever do is assume any real firearm is not loaded with real bullets.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
You should call Alec up and tell him that.PJPOWER said:
Exactly why everyone should treat every gun as if it were loaded with a live round. Basic safety…never point at anyone (no exceptions for actors or movie sets, they are obviously not immune to accidents) and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are sure of your target and ready to destroy what you are aiming at. Very very basic stuff that anyone handling a firearm should know.Poncier said:
Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.Meltdown99 said:
Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…brianlux said:Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts. They're actors. And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place? Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
He should be charged…
Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
The last thing anyone should ever do is assume any real firearm is not loaded with real bullets."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I’m sure he is well aware now, but do you have his #?Spiritual_Chaos said:
You should call Alec up and tell him that.PJPOWER said:
Exactly why everyone should treat every gun as if it were loaded with a live round. Basic safety…never point at anyone (no exceptions for actors or movie sets, they are obviously not immune to accidents) and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are sure of your target and ready to destroy what you are aiming at. Very very basic stuff that anyone handling a firearm should know.Poncier said:
Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.Meltdown99 said:
Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…brianlux said:Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts. They're actors. And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place? Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
He should be charged…
Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
The last thing anyone should ever do is assume any real firearm is not loaded with real bullets.0 -
Guess I could get it from Stephen or WilliamPJPOWER said:
I’m sure he is well aware now, but do you have his #?Spiritual_Chaos said:
You should call Alec up and tell him that.PJPOWER said:
Exactly why everyone should treat every gun as if it were loaded with a live round. Basic safety…never point at anyone (no exceptions for actors or movie sets, they are obviously not immune to accidents) and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are sure of your target and ready to destroy what you are aiming at. Very very basic stuff that anyone handling a firearm should know.Poncier said:
Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.Meltdown99 said:
Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…brianlux said:Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts. They're actors. And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place? Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
He should be charged…
Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
The last thing anyone should ever do is assume any real firearm is not loaded with real bullets."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:
Guess I could get it from Stephen or WilliamPJPOWER said:
I’m sure he is well aware now, but do you have his #?Spiritual_Chaos said:
You should call Alec up and tell him that.PJPOWER said:
Exactly why everyone should treat every gun as if it were loaded with a live round. Basic safety…never point at anyone (no exceptions for actors or movie sets, they are obviously not immune to accidents) and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are sure of your target and ready to destroy what you are aiming at. Very very basic stuff that anyone handling a firearm should know.Poncier said:
Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.Meltdown99 said:
Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…brianlux said:Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts. They're actors. And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place? Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
He should be charged…
Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
The last thing anyone should ever do is assume any real firearm is not loaded with real bullets.
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Daniel certainly doesn't have it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Guess I could get it from Stephen or WilliamPJPOWER said:
I’m sure he is well aware now, but do you have his #?Spiritual_Chaos said:
You should call Alec up and tell him that.PJPOWER said:
Exactly why everyone should treat every gun as if it were loaded with a live round. Basic safety…never point at anyone (no exceptions for actors or movie sets, they are obviously not immune to accidents) and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are sure of your target and ready to destroy what you are aiming at. Very very basic stuff that anyone handling a firearm should know.Poncier said:
Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.Meltdown99 said:
Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…brianlux said:Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts. They're actors. And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place? Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
He should be charged…
Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
The last thing anyone should ever do is assume any real firearm is not loaded with real bullets.This weekend we rock Portland0 -
Correct.Poncier said:
Daniel certainly doesn't have it.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Guess I could get it from Stephen or WilliamPJPOWER said:
I’m sure he is well aware now, but do you have his #?Spiritual_Chaos said:
You should call Alec up and tell him that.PJPOWER said:
Exactly why everyone should treat every gun as if it were loaded with a live round. Basic safety…never point at anyone (no exceptions for actors or movie sets, they are obviously not immune to accidents) and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are sure of your target and ready to destroy what you are aiming at. Very very basic stuff that anyone handling a firearm should know.Poncier said:
Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.Meltdown99 said:
Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…brianlux said:Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts. They're actors. And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place? Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
He should be charged…
Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
The last thing anyone should ever do is assume any real firearm is not loaded with real bullets.I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
I'm sorry I started this thread!
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I don’t think he is criminally liable. But basic gun safety 101, first thing you’re ever taught as a gun owner, is never assume a gun is unloaded. We can expect actors to gain or lose 50 lbs, or hours a day learning dance/karate/music/extreme workout/whatever the role requires. But the mention of learning the first basic gun safety rule seems ridiculous to many. I just don’t get that.brianlux said:Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts. They're actors. And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place? Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
As long as real guns are used, everyone who touches it should know basic gun safety. It’s a whole lot easier than gaining 50lbs of muscle for a movie role that is often expected without a second thought.
I agree, no live rounds should be allowed on a set. I heard several reports that the crew was using the “prop” guns as target practice during down time. Seems like someone left a live round in it and was never checked by the several people who handled it and were in charge. I don’t think it was a set up, just gross negligence of those in charge.And I used “prop” gun because a real gun used as a prop is considered a prop gun.I don’t think Alec should go to jail. But I don’t understand why everyone wouldn’t want anyone who handles a real gun to have basic training and understanding and be a final check before using them?Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
No father of the year for the clown and no invite to lecture gun safety at an nra rally.
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Lots of talk about basic gun safety shit. Almost makes me think one should have to pass a gun safety test/course before being able to purchase and/or handle a deadly weapon. We do that with cars. Why not guns? Seems reasonable.www.myspace.com0
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Only on movie sets. Actors need to be “responsible.” More so than a real gun owner.The Juggler said:Lots of talk about basic gun safety shit. Almost makes me think one should have to pass a gun safety test/course before being able to purchase and/or handle a deadly weapon. We do that with cars. Why not guns? Seems reasonable.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Halifax2TheMax said:
Only on movie sets. Actors need to be “responsible.” More so than a real gun owner.The Juggler said:Lots of talk about basic gun safety shit. Almost makes me think one should have to pass a gun safety test/course before being able to purchase and/or handle a deadly weapon. We do that with cars. Why not guns? Seems reasonable.Do I detect just a hint of sarcasm here? ::whistle:
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They do in CaliforniaThe Juggler said:Lots of talk about basic gun safety shit. Almost makes me think one should have to pass a gun safety test/course before being able to purchase and/or handle a deadly weapon. We do that with cars. Why not guns? Seems reasonable.0 -
And I don’t remember anyone excusing gun owners from basic gun safety. Pretty much all gun owners here are for that. No one is expecting more from Alec than anyone else. Just “I’m an actor” isn’t an excuse to not know.The Juggler said:Lots of talk about basic gun safety shit. Almost makes me think one should have to pass a gun safety test/course before being able to purchase and/or handle a deadly weapon. We do that with cars. Why not guns? Seems reasonable.I’m actually really surprised it doesn’t fall under common sense gun law to require anyone handling a gun to have basic knowledge of a gun and be able to check if it’s loaded. Sounds like a terrible idea to me to tell someone to point a real gun at someone and pull the trigger to not be able to check for himself if it’s loaded or not. Pretty sure they wouldn’t give the keys to a car to an actor who knows nothing about driving and expect them to drive on set. We’re not talking about being a gunsmith expert here, but to be able to check if it’s loaded? Why is that such a terrible idea?Post edited by mace1229 on0
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