Donald Trump

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Harris doesn't have a hope in hell of winning the presidency at this point. probably not any point. she is too widely disliked. 

I always thought it was a bad idea to pick one of the least favored candidates as the running mate.  I understand the historical and social implications of the pick, but you would think one of the more popular candidates would be a more galvanizing pick to go forward with.

Most votes in the history of the country. Yeah, what the hell were they thinking? lol

I don't think the VP choice has that much of an effect on who you vote for as Prez (Sarah Palin the exception), but as Prez, I think Trump trounces her. 

He's the one who brought it up. Choosing her as his running mate wasn't really about 2024. It was about 2020. I remember people saying she would hurt his chances last year but they got 81 million votes. lol. I think it's safe to say it was a good pick.

Also worth noting her approval numbers are actually higher than Biden's right now too.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/574604-harriss-poll-numbers-rise-as-bidens-fall

yes, I know. 

wasn't it, at least partly, about 2024? succession planning, etc?

do you believe that the 81 million votes had anything to do with her?

and how much stock should we put in the poll numbers of a VP, whose activities largely go unnoticed/unknown by the vast majority of the country (I would think). 

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Harris doesn't have a hope in hell of winning the presidency at this point. probably not any point. she is too widely disliked. 

I always thought it was a bad idea to pick one of the least favored candidates as the running mate.  I understand the historical and social implications of the pick, but you would think one of the more popular candidates would be a more galvanizing pick to go forward with.

Most votes in the history of the country. Yeah, what the hell were they thinking? lol

I don't think the VP choice has that much of an effect on who you vote for as Prez (Sarah Palin the exception), but as Prez, I think Trump trounces her. 

He's the one who brought it up. Choosing her as his running mate wasn't really about 2024. It was about 2020. I remember people saying she would hurt his chances last year but they got 81 million votes. lol. I think it's safe to say it was a good pick.

Also worth noting her approval numbers are actually higher than Biden's right now too.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/574604-harriss-poll-numbers-rise-as-bidens-fall

yes, I know. 

wasn't it, at least partly, about 2024? succession planning, etc?

do you believe that the 81 million votes had anything to do with her?

I'm sure some did. Most didn't. My point was people thought her selection would hurt Biden and that clearly was not the case. 

Succession planning? They certainly did her no favors with making her head up the immigration issue. Seems like they set her up to fail. So I don't know about that.

2024 is a long way off. For four years a lot of people around here resigned themselves into thinking Trump was going to win re election. I'm pretty sure the Democrats would be happy if Trump were the nominee again in a few years. I think the bigger concern would be someone like Desantis

well it would be smart to have someone in a high office, with biden reaching the age he will be come reelection time. I just assumed they were hoping that Harris would be that person if Biden were to decide not to run or couldn't run. 

like static said, I don't think Harris hurt/helped Biden in any way. the turnout was to get rid of Trump. I think he could have had nearly anyone competent, well known, and of a median age and still had that turnout. 

of course, this is all hindsight. I didn't know if trump would win or if harris would help/hurt his chances at the time. I don't have my finger on the pulse of politics like many here do. Just my thoughts looking back. 

If Biden doesn't run in 2024 we will need a new face.  I'm thinking Gavin Newsom. The GOP tried to damage him with the recall and failed miserably.

I was ok with Harris as Biden's pick but I don't see her in the Oval Office.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

If Biden doesn't run in 2024 we will need a new face.  I'm thinking Gavin Newsom. The GOP tried to damage him with the recall and failed miserably.

I was ok with Harris as Biden's pick but I don't see her in the Oval Office.

I know the recall failed, but is that really an indicator that he was popular enough for federal? or was that just a rejection of who was on the ballot in california to replace him?

Not sure but I think 2024 is his time. I have a feeling that Biden will step aside.

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

The Juggler said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Harris doesn't have a hope in hell of winning the presidency at this point. probably not any point. she is too widely disliked. 

I always thought it was a bad idea to pick one of the least favored candidates as the running mate.  I understand the historical and social implications of the pick, but you would think one of the more popular candidates would be a more galvanizing pick to go forward with.

Most votes in the history of the country. Yeah, what the hell were they thinking? lol

That was due largely to the unpopularity of the other guy. If you want to live in a fantasy land where we see that kind of turnout without POOTWH as the other option that is you prerogative. I can't imagine a universe in which two otherwise middle of the road candidates see that kind of turnout without going against a big bad like trump. No one can tell me with a straight face that the BIDEN/HARRIS ticket was more popular than OBAMA/BIDEN.  There isn't really the same kind of energy propelling Kamala and Joe.

Obama was a generational talent,  like Kennedy.  We have to be careful we don't use that as our bar. 

Seems like trump lowered the bar so far we may never get it that high again.

Might be true.  Time will tell.  Obama was great in so many ways, not perfect though.  He didn't work the Hill effectively as an example.  But for me, I don't expect another Obama in my lifetime.  I'll settle for competent, sane and normal. 

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

The Juggler said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Harris doesn't have a hope in hell of winning the presidency at this point. probably not any point. she is too widely disliked. 

I always thought it was a bad idea to pick one of the least favored candidates as the running mate.  I understand the historical and social implications of the pick, but you would think one of the more popular candidates would be a more galvanizing pick to go forward with.

Most votes in the history of the country. Yeah, what the hell were they thinking? lol

That was due largely to the unpopularity of the other guy. If you want to live in a fantasy land where we see that kind of turnout without POOTWH as the other option that is you prerogative. I can't imagine a universe in which two otherwise middle of the road candidates see that kind of turnout without going against a big bad like trump. No one can tell me with a straight face that the BIDEN/HARRIS ticket was more popular than OBAMA/BIDEN.  There isn't really the same kind of energy propelling Kamala and Joe.

Obama was a generational talent,  like Kennedy.  We have to be careful we don't use that as our bar. 

Seems like trump lowered the bar so far we may never get it that high again.

Might be true.  Time will tell.  Obama was great in so many ways, not perfect though.  He didn't work the Hill effectively as an example.  But for me, I don't expect another Obama in my lifetime.  I'll settle for competent, sane and normal. 

You and me both....I'm just not sure those traits alone = electability anymore.

Maybe not in our disgusting celebrity culture. 

Gern Blansten said:

If Biden doesn't run in 2024 we will need a new face.  I'm thinking Gavin Newsom. The GOP tried to damage him with the recall and failed miserably.

I was ok with Harris as Biden's pick but I don't see her in the Oval Office.

I just had a look. Newsome is 100-1 to win in '24 on Paddy Power. Worth a fiver.