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  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,227
    He's practicing with the team again today. I've heard the Sixers are beefing up security for Friday in case he plays. 
    And this has been the talk on Philly Sports radio.




  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    cutz said:
    He's practicing with the team again today. I've heard the Sixers are beefing up security for Friday in case he plays. 
    And this has been the talk on Philly Sports radio.




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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,519
    edited October 2021
    If he wants to save any face and increase his chances of getting traded shouldn't he be staging a 1:1 interview with someone who is a stooge for Rich Paul? If he goes out there tomorrow for this press conference he's just gonna make himself look extra stupid.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    edited October 2021
    He’s doing what butler did. Make it so toxic and uncomfortable, he makes them trade him or keep him away from the team and pay him until a trade comes. Truly don’t think he cares about saving face. 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    I don't know. I think Ben has a much different personality than a Jimmy Butler or James Harden. He's also not nearly as good as those two and holds way less leverage, which is part of what makes this so weird. 
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,519
    The thing is Ben isn't Butler or Harden. What Juggs said above.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,519
    Sorry, when I said "saving face" I meant more of his chances to control the story and his trade prospects.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    edited October 2021
    I get that, but I don’t think he does. I also think he’s looking for the fastest way out, and pissing everyone off may do that. 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    I get that, but I don’t think he does. I also think he’s looking for the fastest way out, and pissing everyone off may do that. 
    I think the fastest way out is for him to play and play well so he increases his trade value

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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    I get that, but I don’t think he does. I also think he’s looking for the fastest way out, and pissing everyone off may do that. 
    I think the fastest way out is for him to play and play well so he increases his trade value

    Not trying to just play devils advocate, but I don’t know about that. If he plays well and they are good, doesn’t that give them less urgency to trade him unless it’s a perfect package? I think causing trouble gets him out faster. 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited October 2021
    I get that, but I don’t think he does. I also think he’s looking for the fastest way out, and pissing everyone off may do that. 
    I think the fastest way out is for him to play and play well so he increases his trade value

    Not trying to just play devils advocate, but I don’t know about that. If he plays well and they are good, doesn’t that give them less urgency to trade him unless it’s a perfect package? I think causing trouble gets him out faster. 
    Hey if he comes in and starts shooting and/or finishing at the basket consistently....fuck it. Keep him. lol

    If trouble got him out faster, I think they would've traded him by now. Daryl Morey knows what he's doing. 
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  • RiotZact
    RiotZact Posts: 6,292
    Yeah the thing that most people seem to forget is that he has 4 years left on his deal. Harden and Butler were both nearing the end of their deals, so they had the threat to walk. So not only is Simmons not as good as them, he also is in a much worse contract situation (well, in terms of forcing a trade anyway). 

    Long story short, Morey seems to be holding out for the perfect deal regardless of how Ben acts. He has no leverage and won’t anytime soon. And in his shoes I’d probably get antsy and accept the first decent deal like Brogdon, Sexton, or CJ, but we all know that those moves don’t actually move the needle significantly, so that’s why he has the job and not me. In the meantime, we have some killer 3-point shooters to compliment Embiid enough to win most games.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,519
    edited October 2021
    Right that's what I took from what I read about him/Paul/Morey/Doc meeting up. Morey came prepared with all the stats about how well him and Embiid succeed together, and I think the whole point was to say without saying "if we could trade you for something that makes us just as good we would. But we cannot - nor are you helping yourself - so go pound sand." Not to mention the lack of leverage when the ink was barely dry on his (max) contract.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    edited October 2021
    Neither party has much leverage, clearly. I hope I’m wrong, but I think Simmons is there to get paid and cause trouble to either be told to go home and still get paid or get traded.

    Curious to see what he has to say tomorrow 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Right that's what I took from what I read about him/Paul/Morey/Doc meeting up. Morey came prepared with all the stats about how well him and Embiid succeed together, and I think the whole point was to say without saying "if we could trade you for something that makes us just as good we would. But we cannot - nor are you helping yourself - so go pound sand." Not to mention the lack of leverage when the ink was barely dry on his (max) contract.
    Was this a Bodner piece I missed? Where'd you see this stuff? I'd like to read it.


    Let's all just hope Ben plays and plays well, the Sixers get off to another good start and the Blazers and Wiz both get off to horrible starts. 
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,519
    edited October 2021
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/details-sixers-meeting-ben-simmons-155529889.html

    This guy wrote something based on the ESPN+ article details. Seems to make sense.

    And oh the Sixers definitely have the leverage. This is completely different territory than for other players. I think the Sixers have no problem docking his pay and telling him to fuck off. If Simmons thought he had a chance in hell of litigating those fines he would have by now, hence why he showed up at all.

    At the end of the day, I think the Sixers know he's not playing for them ever again. But they also know getting nothing is about the same as whatever they'd get in a trade right now.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,519
    Lol. I love it.
  • RiotZact
    RiotZact Posts: 6,292
    A real knucklehead this guy.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,519
    The thing is both Butler and Harden not only have been absolutely proven guys - with expiring contracts - at this point, but they never looked like gigantic pusses during it. Lol, Embiid calling him out now: