Afghanistan

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

JB16057 said:

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

The Juggler said:

Trump thought he was going to be president in 2021? lol Gee, if only that coup would've worked out like they planned it. Too bad we still have democratic elections in this country. 

The Trump admin let 5,000 Taliban fighters out of prison in 2020, they set up a really short time frame of which for us to leave, and then did not cooperate fully during the transition period with the incoming administration. So Biden's choices were to start fighting the Taliban again and prolong this two decade war or rip the fucking band aid off and get out. Of those two choices, I think he made the correct one.

But hindsight being 2020, I don't see the problem with leaving a small troop presence there moving forward. Trump was the one who surrendered to the Taliban and took that possibility off the table. The Biden admin clearly could've handled things better, but it was a lose lose proposition for them. 

i agree. this was a war we decided to stop fighting. it is a loss because we did not win, and we could not win. we stopped fighting and withdrew. 

hopefully the government learned something from this. but given the short memory of americans, we will be in another 10 year war over there within the next 5 years.

I just love the "Trump thought he was going to be president in 2021" line as if there was no way he could lose. Like he just ignored all public and internal polling and just assumed his coup would work if he actually did lose the election.

Scary stuff. 

You just love that line? How many other politicians running for any office believe they are going to win? Do you find that funny every time that happens? Hillary thought she was going to win in 2016. Did you laugh at her when she lost?

If Trump called for an actual coup, insurrection, whatever you want to call it, it would've happened. If Trump told his supporters to take their guns to the Capitol on January 6th and take it over, it would've happened. If Trump called for violence on January 6 at the Capitol, millions upon millions of his followers would've shown up and they would've ripped the Capitol apart. If Trump told his followers to go the Capitol today, it could still happen but it hasn't and it won't.

Sounds to me like you scare way too easy. Lucky for you, Trump didn't do what I said above and he won't. Everything is going to be OK!

A few thousand maybe, but not millions and millions. Millions and millions of people who voted for him are not willing to lay their lives down, commit treason and start a full out civil war.

Millions and millions and millions and millions of his supporters believe he won the election though. And that is incredibly damaging to our democracy. 

mace1229 said:

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

JB16057 said:

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

The Juggler said:

Trump thought he was going to be president in 2021? lol Gee, if only that coup would've worked out like they planned it. Too bad we still have democratic elections in this country. 

The Trump admin let 5,000 Taliban fighters out of prison in 2020, they set up a really short time frame of which for us to leave, and then did not cooperate fully during the transition period with the incoming administration. So Biden's choices were to start fighting the Taliban again and prolong this two decade war or rip the fucking band aid off and get out. Of those two choices, I think he made the correct one.

But hindsight being 2020, I don't see the problem with leaving a small troop presence there moving forward. Trump was the one who surrendered to the Taliban and took that possibility off the table. The Biden admin clearly could've handled things better, but it was a lose lose proposition for them. 

i agree. this was a war we decided to stop fighting. it is a loss because we did not win, and we could not win. we stopped fighting and withdrew. 

hopefully the government learned something from this. but given the short memory of americans, we will be in another 10 year war over there within the next 5 years.

I just love the "Trump thought he was going to be president in 2021" line as if there was no way he could lose. Like he just ignored all public and internal polling and just assumed his coup would work if he actually did lose the election.

Scary stuff. 

You just love that line? How many other politicians running for any office believe they are going to win? Do you find that funny every time that happens? Hillary thought she was going to win in 2016. Did you laugh at her when she lost?

If Trump called for an actual coup, insurrection, whatever you want to call it, it would've happened. If Trump told his supporters to take their guns to the Capitol on January 6th and take it over, it would've happened. If Trump called for violence on January 6 at the Capitol, millions upon millions of his followers would've shown up and they would've ripped the Capitol apart. If Trump told his followers to go the Capitol today, it could still happen but it hasn't and it won't.

Sounds to me like you scare way too easy. Lucky for you, Trump didn't do what I said above and he won't. Everything is going to be OK!

A few thousand maybe, but not millions and millions. Millions and millions of people who voted for him are not willing to lay their lives down, commit treason and start a full out civil war.

Millions and millions and millions and millions of his supporters believe he won the election though. And that is incredibly damaging to our democracy. 

Maybe. But you think they’re willing to lay down their lives for it? I don’t.

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

JB16057 said:

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

The Juggler said:

Trump thought he was going to be president in 2021? lol Gee, if only that coup would've worked out like they planned it. Too bad we still have democratic elections in this country. 

The Trump admin let 5,000 Taliban fighters out of prison in 2020, they set up a really short time frame of which for us to leave, and then did not cooperate fully during the transition period with the incoming administration. So Biden's choices were to start fighting the Taliban again and prolong this two decade war or rip the fucking band aid off and get out. Of those two choices, I think he made the correct one.

But hindsight being 2020, I don't see the problem with leaving a small troop presence there moving forward. Trump was the one who surrendered to the Taliban and took that possibility off the table. The Biden admin clearly could've handled things better, but it was a lose lose proposition for them. 

i agree. this was a war we decided to stop fighting. it is a loss because we did not win, and we could not win. we stopped fighting and withdrew. 

hopefully the government learned something from this. but given the short memory of americans, we will be in another 10 year war over there within the next 5 years.

I just love the "Trump thought he was going to be president in 2021" line as if there was no way he could lose. Like he just ignored all public and internal polling and just assumed his coup would work if he actually did lose the election.

Scary stuff. 

You just love that line? How many other politicians running for any office believe they are going to win? Do you find that funny every time that happens? Hillary thought she was going to win in 2016. Did you laugh at her when she lost?

If Trump called for an actual coup, insurrection, whatever you want to call it, it would've happened. If Trump told his supporters to take their guns to the Capitol on January 6th and take it over, it would've happened. If Trump called for violence on January 6 at the Capitol, millions upon millions of his followers would've shown up and they would've ripped the Capitol apart. If Trump told his followers to go the Capitol today, it could still happen but it hasn't and it won't.

Sounds to me like you scare way too easy. Lucky for you, Trump didn't do what I said above and he won't. Everything is going to be OK!

A few thousand maybe, but not millions and millions. Millions and millions of people who voted for him are not willing to lay their lives down, commit treason and start a full out civil war.

100%.  The thought that millions would participate in a coup and throw it all away is lunacy. 

do not ever forget that it is the stupid people who are always full of confidence.

i would not dismiss these proud boys, boogaloo bois, and 3 percenters so easily. especially when they have 3 networks dedicated to their cause, fox, oann, and newsmax, and several trumpists in congress and the senate. i mean some of the congressmen, gosar, gaetz, maggie 3 names, are actually speaking on behalf of them and defending them and calling them political prisoners instead of felons.

There were 19 hijackers on 9/11. The idea that you need millions and millions is lunacy.

All it takes is a few brainwashed wackjobs. Lord knows there are tons of those people in our country right now. 

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

JB16057 said:

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

The Juggler said:

Trump thought he was going to be president in 2021? lol Gee, if only that coup would've worked out like they planned it. Too bad we still have democratic elections in this country. 

The Trump admin let 5,000 Taliban fighters out of prison in 2020, they set up a really short time frame of which for us to leave, and then did not cooperate fully during the transition period with the incoming administration. So Biden's choices were to start fighting the Taliban again and prolong this two decade war or rip the fucking band aid off and get out. Of those two choices, I think he made the correct one.

But hindsight being 2020, I don't see the problem with leaving a small troop presence there moving forward. Trump was the one who surrendered to the Taliban and took that possibility off the table. The Biden admin clearly could've handled things better, but it was a lose lose proposition for them. 

i agree. this was a war we decided to stop fighting. it is a loss because we did not win, and we could not win. we stopped fighting and withdrew. 

hopefully the government learned something from this. but given the short memory of americans, we will be in another 10 year war over there within the next 5 years.

I just love the "Trump thought he was going to be president in 2021" line as if there was no way he could lose. Like he just ignored all public and internal polling and just assumed his coup would work if he actually did lose the election.

Scary stuff. 

You just love that line? How many other politicians running for any office believe they are going to win? Do you find that funny every time that happens? Hillary thought she was going to win in 2016. Did you laugh at her when she lost?

If Trump called for an actual coup, insurrection, whatever you want to call it, it would've happened. If Trump told his supporters to take their guns to the Capitol on January 6th and take it over, it would've happened. If Trump called for violence on January 6 at the Capitol, millions upon millions of his followers would've shown up and they would've ripped the Capitol apart. If Trump told his followers to go the Capitol today, it could still happen but it hasn't and it won't.

Sounds to me like you scare way too easy. Lucky for you, Trump didn't do what I said above and he won't. Everything is going to be OK!

A few thousand maybe, but not millions and millions. Millions and millions of people who voted for him are not willing to lay their lives down, commit treason and start a full out civil war.

100%.  The thought that millions would participate in a coup and throw it all away is lunacy. 

do not ever forget that it is the stupid people who are always full of confidence.

i would not dismiss these proud boys, boogaloo bois, and 3 percenters so easily. especially when they have 3 networks dedicated to their cause, fox, oann, and newsmax, and several trumpists in congress and the senate. i mean some of the congressmen, gosar, gaetz, maggie 3 names, are actually speaking on behalf of them and defending them and calling them political prisoners instead of felons.

There were 19 hijackers on 9/11. The idea that you need millions and millions is lunacy.

All it takes is a few brainwashed wackjobs. Lord knows there are tons of those people in our country right now. 

To take over the political and military apparatus in this country? You need more than 19.

No. I'm saying it just takes a few people willing to lay down their lives to defend Trump's lies.

So whether it's a few people, a few hundred people, or a few thousand people like mace said, they could cause an incredible amount of damage. Those 19 hijackers basically changed the trajectory of the entire world in the span of a few hours. 

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

JB16057 said:

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

The Juggler said:

Trump thought he was going to be president in 2021? lol Gee, if only that coup would've worked out like they planned it. Too bad we still have democratic elections in this country. 

The Trump admin let 5,000 Taliban fighters out of prison in 2020, they set up a really short time frame of which for us to leave, and then did not cooperate fully during the transition period with the incoming administration. So Biden's choices were to start fighting the Taliban again and prolong this two decade war or rip the fucking band aid off and get out. Of those two choices, I think he made the correct one.

But hindsight being 2020, I don't see the problem with leaving a small troop presence there moving forward. Trump was the one who surrendered to the Taliban and took that possibility off the table. The Biden admin clearly could've handled things better, but it was a lose lose proposition for them. 

i agree. this was a war we decided to stop fighting. it is a loss because we did not win, and we could not win. we stopped fighting and withdrew. 

hopefully the government learned something from this. but given the short memory of americans, we will be in another 10 year war over there within the next 5 years.

I just love the "Trump thought he was going to be president in 2021" line as if there was no way he could lose. Like he just ignored all public and internal polling and just assumed his coup would work if he actually did lose the election.

Scary stuff. 

You just love that line? How many other politicians running for any office believe they are going to win? Do you find that funny every time that happens? Hillary thought she was going to win in 2016. Did you laugh at her when she lost?

If Trump called for an actual coup, insurrection, whatever you want to call it, it would've happened. If Trump told his supporters to take their guns to the Capitol on January 6th and take it over, it would've happened. If Trump called for violence on January 6 at the Capitol, millions upon millions of his followers would've shown up and they would've ripped the Capitol apart. If Trump told his followers to go the Capitol today, it could still happen but it hasn't and it won't.

Sounds to me like you scare way too easy. Lucky for you, Trump didn't do what I said above and he won't. Everything is going to be OK!

A few thousand maybe, but not millions and millions. Millions and millions of people who voted for him are not willing to lay their lives down, commit treason and start a full out civil war.

100%.  The thought that millions would participate in a coup and throw it all away is lunacy. 

do not ever forget that it is the stupid people who are always full of confidence.

i would not dismiss these proud boys, boogaloo bois, and 3 percenters so easily. especially when they have 3 networks dedicated to their cause, fox, oann, and newsmax, and several trumpists in congress and the senate. i mean some of the congressmen, gosar, gaetz, maggie 3 names, are actually speaking on behalf of them and defending them and calling them political prisoners instead of felons.

There were 19 hijackers on 9/11. The idea that you need millions and millions is lunacy.

All it takes is a few brainwashed wackjobs. Lord knows there are tons of those people in our country right now. 

To take over the political and military apparatus in this country? You need more than 19.

No. I'm saying it just takes a few people willing to lay down their lives to defend Trump's lies.

So whether it's a few people, a few hundred people, or a few thousand people like mace said, they could cause an incredible amount of damage. Those 19 hijackers basically changed the trajectory of the entire world in the span of a few hours. 

That's fine, I'm not arguing that.  JB said if Trump called for a coup then millions and millions have torn the Capitol apart and the coup would have happened.  I'm saying... no... millions and millions would not have thrown away their lives and got mowed down by the military.

mace1229 said:

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

JB16057 said:

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

The Juggler said:

Trump thought he was going to be president in 2021? lol Gee, if only that coup would've worked out like they planned it. Too bad we still have democratic elections in this country. 

The Trump admin let 5,000 Taliban fighters out of prison in 2020, they set up a really short time frame of which for us to leave, and then did not cooperate fully during the transition period with the incoming administration. So Biden's choices were to start fighting the Taliban again and prolong this two decade war or rip the fucking band aid off and get out. Of those two choices, I think he made the correct one.

But hindsight being 2020, I don't see the problem with leaving a small troop presence there moving forward. Trump was the one who surrendered to the Taliban and took that possibility off the table. The Biden admin clearly could've handled things better, but it was a lose lose proposition for them. 

i agree. this was a war we decided to stop fighting. it is a loss because we did not win, and we could not win. we stopped fighting and withdrew. 

hopefully the government learned something from this. but given the short memory of americans, we will be in another 10 year war over there within the next 5 years.

I just love the "Trump thought he was going to be president in 2021" line as if there was no way he could lose. Like he just ignored all public and internal polling and just assumed his coup would work if he actually did lose the election.

Scary stuff. 

You just love that line? How many other politicians running for any office believe they are going to win? Do you find that funny every time that happens? Hillary thought she was going to win in 2016. Did you laugh at her when she lost?

If Trump called for an actual coup, insurrection, whatever you want to call it, it would've happened. If Trump told his supporters to take their guns to the Capitol on January 6th and take it over, it would've happened. If Trump called for violence on January 6 at the Capitol, millions upon millions of his followers would've shown up and they would've ripped the Capitol apart. If Trump told his followers to go the Capitol today, it could still happen but it hasn't and it won't.

Sounds to me like you scare way too easy. Lucky for you, Trump didn't do what I said above and he won't. Everything is going to be OK!

A few thousand maybe, but not millions and millions. Millions and millions of people who voted for him are not willing to lay their lives down, commit treason and start a full out civil war.

Millions and millions and millions and millions of his supporters believe he won the election though. And that is incredibly damaging to our democracy. 

Maybe. But you think they’re willing to lay down their lives for it? I don’t.

Out of 43 million people? Yeah, I am sure some of them would.
https://www.newsweek.com/59-gop-voters-say-believing-trump-won-2020-important-being-republican-poll-1628281

Yeah, some I’m sure would. Just don’t agree that millions and millions would, like JB said. That’s all I said, Trump won’t get millions and millions to die for him. If you agree with that, then I’m not sure what we’re arguing about?

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

JB16057 said:

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

The Juggler said:

Trump thought he was going to be president in 2021? lol Gee, if only that coup would've worked out like they planned it. Too bad we still have democratic elections in this country. 

The Trump admin let 5,000 Taliban fighters out of prison in 2020, they set up a really short time frame of which for us to leave, and then did not cooperate fully during the transition period with the incoming administration. So Biden's choices were to start fighting the Taliban again and prolong this two decade war or rip the fucking band aid off and get out. Of those two choices, I think he made the correct one.

But hindsight being 2020, I don't see the problem with leaving a small troop presence there moving forward. Trump was the one who surrendered to the Taliban and took that possibility off the table. The Biden admin clearly could've handled things better, but it was a lose lose proposition for them. 

i agree. this was a war we decided to stop fighting. it is a loss because we did not win, and we could not win. we stopped fighting and withdrew. 

hopefully the government learned something from this. but given the short memory of americans, we will be in another 10 year war over there within the next 5 years.

I just love the "Trump thought he was going to be president in 2021" line as if there was no way he could lose. Like he just ignored all public and internal polling and just assumed his coup would work if he actually did lose the election.

Scary stuff. 

You just love that line? How many other politicians running for any office believe they are going to win? Do you find that funny every time that happens? Hillary thought she was going to win in 2016. Did you laugh at her when she lost?

If Trump called for an actual coup, insurrection, whatever you want to call it, it would've happened. If Trump told his supporters to take their guns to the Capitol on January 6th and take it over, it would've happened. If Trump called for violence on January 6 at the Capitol, millions upon millions of his followers would've shown up and they would've ripped the Capitol apart. If Trump told his followers to go the Capitol today, it could still happen but it hasn't and it won't.

Sounds to me like you scare way too easy. Lucky for you, Trump didn't do what I said above and he won't. Everything is going to be OK!

A few thousand maybe, but not millions and millions. Millions and millions of people who voted for him are not willing to lay their lives down, commit treason and start a full out civil war.

100%.  The thought that millions would participate in a coup and throw it all away is lunacy. 

do not ever forget that it is the stupid people who are always full of confidence.

i would not dismiss these proud boys, boogaloo bois, and 3 percenters so easily. especially when they have 3 networks dedicated to their cause, fox, oann, and newsmax, and several trumpists in congress and the senate. i mean some of the congressmen, gosar, gaetz, maggie 3 names, are actually speaking on behalf of them and defending them and calling them political prisoners instead of felons.

There were 19 hijackers on 9/11. The idea that you need millions and millions is lunacy.

All it takes is a few brainwashed wackjobs. Lord knows there are tons of those people in our country right now. 

the endgame of 9/11 was a lot different than the endgame to reinstall trump as president. not the greatest analogy. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

this is heartbreaking. selling your own children for food. my god. 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/asia/afghanistan-child-marriage-crisis-taliban-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

HughFreakingDillon said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

this is heartbreaking. selling your own children for food. my god. 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/asia/afghanistan-child-marriage-crisis-taliban-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

Holy shit...I don't know what I would do in that situation...poll the family and weigh the pros and cons of a murder suicide pact maybe.  There's no way it would be worth it long term..that $2200 is gonna run out and you will be back where you started only this time without your daughter....

he said when that runs out he'll have to sell his 2 year old. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

this is heartbreaking. selling your own children for food. my god. 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/asia/afghanistan-child-marriage-crisis-taliban-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

Holy shit...I don't know what I would do in that situation...poll the family and weigh the pros and cons of a murder suicide pact maybe.  There's no way it would be worth it long term..that $2200 is gonna run out and you will be back where you started only this time without your daughter....

he said when that runs out he'll have to sell his 2 year old. 

that is pathetic..I know its a horrible situation but in that case it seems like death would be better

death, as in, murdering your own child?