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ronald reagan did not recall several things. under oath in the iran contra thing.HughFreakingDillon said:
had trump lied to get us out of that failed war, and US service members died during the pullout, you'd be losing your shit.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
and honestly, i was less concerned about the potential that he lied; more the potential that he "didn't recall". recalling things like that is pretty important."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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I wasn’t really equating dollar amount or death with the lie told. The point was that presidents lie , in general. But only certain ones seem to anger certain people.gimmesometruth27 said:
who died as a result of that lie?nicknyr15 said:
The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
how much money did that one cost taxpayers, aside from the $47 million kenn starr spent? drop in the bucket compared to afghanistan.0 -
stop putting words in people's mouths.Halifax2TheMax said:The faux outrage or desirability for accountability only comes out when its one side. Has anyone answered Mickey's question yet? How's that border "crisis." Bottom line? dems are held accountable, way more so than repubs. Why can't you acknowledge that? Everything is same-same?
Did Biden lie, referring to your post of this morning?HughFreakingDillon said:
Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary released 20 years of tax returns. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and the CGF were investigated and nothing came from it. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and Benghazi. Buh, buh, buh Hillary and White Water. Same with Rose Firm billing records. And Vince Foster. And her emails. Tell me again, how outraged I should be over Hillary's malfeascance. And you want me to believe that somehow both sides are the same and that they are or should be held accountable. Delusional.
some of us have the ability to talk about different things in different situations without it always being a comparable to something else.Halifax2TheMax said:Listen to the righteous. Holy crap, relitagating the Clinton years. POOTWH may very well be the repubs nominee in 2024 and 65M+ voters will likely vote for him. Some here can’t see the difference in that? Talk about blinders.
funny, for the last 4 years, anytime said anything about hillary, your response was a mocking "buh buh buh hillary", but now that a dem is in office, any criticism levied at him is met with a "buh buh buh trump".
Criticism, in my view should be justifiable and warranted. Not made up faux outrage. A lot of that here lately and for some, a hell of a lot less of it when it was wholly justifiable and backed with facts. To the bold, in the absence of facts.
Did Biden lie about what his generals told him?
i never said both sides were the same.
i never said, nor even came close to implying, that i'm outraged. I used the word "concerning". it that "outrage" to you? we should be questioning our elected representatives, whether they fall under your version of justifiable (AKA: did trump do worse?) or not.
I hold people accountable on their own actions based on the merits of what they've done, not on some "but he did it first/worse" childish sliding scale.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Did Biden lie about what his general(s) told him, seeing it concerns you so very much?HughFreakingDillon said:
stop putting words in people's mouths.Halifax2TheMax said:The faux outrage or desirability for accountability only comes out when its one side. Has anyone answered Mickey's question yet? How's that border "crisis." Bottom line? dems are held accountable, way more so than repubs. Why can't you acknowledge that? Everything is same-same?
Did Biden lie, referring to your post of this morning?HughFreakingDillon said:
Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary released 20 years of tax returns. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and the CGF were investigated and nothing came from it. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and Benghazi. Buh, buh, buh Hillary and White Water. Same with Rose Firm billing records. And Vince Foster. And her emails. Tell me again, how outraged I should be over Hillary's malfeascance. And you want me to believe that somehow both sides are the same and that they are or should be held accountable. Delusional.
some of us have the ability to talk about different things in different situations without it always being a comparable to something else.Halifax2TheMax said:Listen to the righteous. Holy crap, relitagating the Clinton years. POOTWH may very well be the repubs nominee in 2024 and 65M+ voters will likely vote for him. Some here can’t see the difference in that? Talk about blinders.
funny, for the last 4 years, anytime said anything about hillary, your response was a mocking "buh buh buh hillary", but now that a dem is in office, any criticism levied at him is met with a "buh buh buh trump".
Criticism, in my view should be justifiable and warranted. Not made up faux outrage. A lot of that here lately and for some, a hell of a lot less of it when it was wholly justifiable and backed with facts. To the bold, in the absence of facts.
Did Biden lie about what his generals told him?
i never said both sides were the same.
i never said, nor even came close to implying, that i'm outraged. I used the word "concerning". it that "outrage" to you? we should be questioning our elected representatives, whether they fall under your version of justifiable (AKA: did trump do worse?) or not.
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Interesting that we're not entertaining the possibility that his generals are the ones playing both sides of the coin.0
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that is what i was alluding to last night.mrussel1 said:Interesting that we're not entertaining the possibility that his generals are the ones playing both sides of the coin."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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mrussel1 said:Interesting that we're not entertaining the possibility that his generals are the ones playing both sides of the coin.If this is true, do you think Biden would take immediate action against them? There are many upset over the handling of Afghanistan and if his own generals are lying about what actually happened, Biden should get rid of them right now or at least discipline them. They all know what Biden said publicly and they are contradicting that. If he doesn't do something right now, what are they willing to do next?How many employees can tell lies about their boss and get away unscathed?0
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This is politics. Everyone talks out of both sides of their mouths to protect themselves. I'm not saying teh generals are lying, to be clear. I'm saying they could play both sides and provide vague advice. Biden and the national security team hears what they want to hear too. This is how it works. Everyone takes some heat for a period of time in Capitol Hill and then you move on. You don't purge your high command for this. Similarly, contrary to what Tom Cotton thinks, the senior staff doesn't resign either.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:Interesting that we're not entertaining the possibility that his generals are the ones playing both sides of the coin.If this is true, do you think Biden would take immediate action against them? There are many upset over the handling of Afghanistan and if his own generals are lying about what actually happened, Biden should get rid of them right now or at least discipline them. They all know what Biden said publicly and they are contradicting that. If he doesn't do something right now, what are they willing to do next?How many employees can tell lies about their boss and get away unscathed?0 -
I don't know. do you?Halifax2TheMax said:
Did Biden lie about what his general(s) told him, seeing it concerns you so very much?HughFreakingDillon said:
stop putting words in people's mouths.Halifax2TheMax said:The faux outrage or desirability for accountability only comes out when its one side. Has anyone answered Mickey's question yet? How's that border "crisis." Bottom line? dems are held accountable, way more so than repubs. Why can't you acknowledge that? Everything is same-same?
Did Biden lie, referring to your post of this morning?HughFreakingDillon said:
Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary released 20 years of tax returns. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and the CGF were investigated and nothing came from it. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and Benghazi. Buh, buh, buh Hillary and White Water. Same with Rose Firm billing records. And Vince Foster. And her emails. Tell me again, how outraged I should be over Hillary's malfeascance. And you want me to believe that somehow both sides are the same and that they are or should be held accountable. Delusional.
some of us have the ability to talk about different things in different situations without it always being a comparable to something else.Halifax2TheMax said:Listen to the righteous. Holy crap, relitagating the Clinton years. POOTWH may very well be the repubs nominee in 2024 and 65M+ voters will likely vote for him. Some here can’t see the difference in that? Talk about blinders.
funny, for the last 4 years, anytime said anything about hillary, your response was a mocking "buh buh buh hillary", but now that a dem is in office, any criticism levied at him is met with a "buh buh buh trump".
Criticism, in my view should be justifiable and warranted. Not made up faux outrage. A lot of that here lately and for some, a hell of a lot less of it when it was wholly justifiable and backed with facts. To the bold, in the absence of facts.
Did Biden lie about what his generals told him?
i never said both sides were the same.
i never said, nor even came close to implying, that i'm outraged. I used the word "concerning". it that "outrage" to you? we should be questioning our elected representatives, whether they fall under your version of justifiable (AKA: did trump do worse?) or not.
I hold people accountable on their own actions based on the merits of what they've done, not on some "but he did it first/worse" childish sliding scale.
and again, I said I was less concerned if he lied than if he couldn't recall.
can't wait for you to ask me this same question in 6 months.Post edited by HughFreakingDillon onHugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
well michael flynn was convicted and pardoned. maybe some of these generals are maga with an axe to grind against biden?JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:Interesting that we're not entertaining the possibility that his generals are the ones playing both sides of the coin.If this is true, do you think Biden would take immediate action against them? There are many upset over the handling of Afghanistan and if his own generals are lying about what actually happened, Biden should get rid of them right now or at least discipline them. They all know what Biden said publicly and they are contradicting that. If he doesn't do something right now, what are they willing to do next?How many employees can tell lies about their boss and get away unscathed?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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mickeyrat said:can you guys point to on record quotes of what advice Biden was given?
sometimes my questions get lost amongst the bickering.
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Can't wait for you to be "concerned" when Biden can't recall something he said or was told, tomorrow.HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't know. do you?Halifax2TheMax said:
Did Biden lie about what his general(s) told him, seeing it concerns you so very much?HughFreakingDillon said:
stop putting words in people's mouths.Halifax2TheMax said:The faux outrage or desirability for accountability only comes out when its one side. Has anyone answered Mickey's question yet? How's that border "crisis." Bottom line? dems are held accountable, way more so than repubs. Why can't you acknowledge that? Everything is same-same?
Did Biden lie, referring to your post of this morning?HughFreakingDillon said:
Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary released 20 years of tax returns. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and the CGF were investigated and nothing came from it. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and Benghazi. Buh, buh, buh Hillary and White Water. Same with Rose Firm billing records. And Vince Foster. And her emails. Tell me again, how outraged I should be over Hillary's malfeascance. And you want me to believe that somehow both sides are the same and that they are or should be held accountable. Delusional.
some of us have the ability to talk about different things in different situations without it always being a comparable to something else.Halifax2TheMax said:Listen to the righteous. Holy crap, relitagating the Clinton years. POOTWH may very well be the repubs nominee in 2024 and 65M+ voters will likely vote for him. Some here can’t see the difference in that? Talk about blinders.
funny, for the last 4 years, anytime said anything about hillary, your response was a mocking "buh buh buh hillary", but now that a dem is in office, any criticism levied at him is met with a "buh buh buh trump".
Criticism, in my view should be justifiable and warranted. Not made up faux outrage. A lot of that here lately and for some, a hell of a lot less of it when it was wholly justifiable and backed with facts. To the bold, in the absence of facts.
Did Biden lie about what his generals told him?
i never said both sides were the same.
i never said, nor even came close to implying, that i'm outraged. I used the word "concerning". it that "outrage" to you? we should be questioning our elected representatives, whether they fall under your version of justifiable (AKA: did trump do worse?) or not.
I hold people accountable on their own actions based on the merits of what they've done, not on some "but he did it first/worse" childish sliding scale.
and again, I said I was less concerned if he lied than if he couldn't recall.
can't wait for you to ask me this same question in 6 months.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Because they can't but we should be "concerned." Biden got us the fuck out of Afghanistan. And he solved the border "crisis", you know the one, the one that took roughly 10 days to materialize and yet he had it cleaned up in a couple of weeks? Yea, that one.mickeyrat said:mickeyrat said:can you guys point to on record quotes of what advice Biden was given?
sometimes my questions get lost amongst the bickering.
You (general you), want criticism of dems? Kick Manchin and Sinema out of the party and encourage them to become repubs. Then we can all be "honest" and know who to blame when the government shuts down and 'Murica defaults on its debt acquired by POOTWH and previous administrations.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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On a side note, Michael Flynn is under the assumption the government is putting the covid vaccine in salad dressing.gimmesometruth27 said:
well michael flynn was convicted and pardoned. maybe some of these generals are maga with an axe to grind against biden?JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:Interesting that we're not entertaining the possibility that his generals are the ones playing both sides of the coin.If this is true, do you think Biden would take immediate action against them? There are many upset over the handling of Afghanistan and if his own generals are lying about what actually happened, Biden should get rid of them right now or at least discipline them. They all know what Biden said publicly and they are contradicting that. If he doesn't do something right now, what are they willing to do next?How many employees can tell lies about their boss and get away unscathed?
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I never mentioned anything about whether he should have kept troops there or not. not sure where you got that. all I mentioned was whether he or his generals were lying about how it went down, or whether he was incompetent because he couldn't recall such a crucial detail of the orders.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
had trump lied to get us out of that failed war, and US service members died during the pullout, you'd be losing your shit.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
and honestly, i was less concerned about the potential that he lied; more the potential that he "didn't recall". recalling things like that is pretty important.Playing the both sides card on whether Biden should have kept troops in Afghanistan is a bit absurd, since that is the wrong question. The minimal troop level Biden was left with was unsustainable as more troops would have been needed once the US showed the taliban it was violating the agreement by staying in the country long term. Under that scenario, loss of life would likely have been far greater than the tragic loss of 13 troops.
the right question is - would staying in Afghanistan or increasing troops change anything regarding the outcome of the 20 year war. That is what Biden was adamant about regarding the advice from his generals, until Stephanopolous caught him when he was apparently furious about all the second guessing that everyone other than the president gets to make. Whether they told him to keep troops there is irrelevant. Yes the generals ALWAYS want more troops.
Bottom line, leaving was the right call that 70% of the country agreed with, until things got messy. And now many of the 70% are making the wrong interpretation that getting out immediately was not safer to the lives of American troops. But that’s the luxury second guessers get to make that POTUS does not. Yes Biden should clean up his comment to ABC News, but that was 100% the wrong question“ had trump lied to get us out of that failed war” was the reason I cited the both sides comparing this to trump is unreasonable. I agree Biden needs to clean up his answer to the troop question. Its clear to me when he was talking to ABC News and answered that question he was angry and my opinion is he clearly misspoke. I recall his earlier explanation when he decided to withdraw, he posed an entirely different question to his generals- will keeping troops change the outcome of the war. IMO that’s the key question. And no general said yes to that.
In this context, his answer about being advised to keep troops there is irrelevant because he made his decision on a completely different criteria and was upfront and honest about that, and generals always want more troops in harms way. I don’t think he nor the generals are lying, it’s the media is catching them in different questions .0 -
Feel free to research them as they should still be there.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'd be interested to see your posts dating back to around the time Trump pulled out of Syria.Halifax2TheMax said:
I would have given him credit but instead he chose to remain the shit stain on humanity that some of us know he is.HughFreakingDillon said:
HAHAHAH right.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m ecstatic we’re out. POOTWH could have done it while he was in office and been my hero. Instead, he pulled a shrub. Both Obama and Biden called their bluff and repubs lost their shit. Same-same. Just like the debt ceiling. And immigration. And covid. It’s all same-same.HughFreakingDillon said:
had trump lied to get us out of that failed war, and US service members died during the pullout, you'd be losing your shit.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
and honestly, i was less concerned about the potential that he lied; more the potential that he "didn't recall". recalling things like that is pretty important.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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static111 said:
We aren't allowed to criticize Dems until they are as awful as some republicans, at least that is what i think the rule is?HughFreakingDillon said:
no one is equating them but you.Halifax2TheMax said:
How many women? “Gets a pass?” Did you miss the word “inappropriate?”HughFreakingDillon said:
you once called me a woman-hating misogynist for saying something less offensive than this (that I didn't support Hillary or something along those lines).Halifax2TheMax said:
If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same.nicknyr15 said:
So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.nicknyr15 said:
The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
Why some can’t admit that is beyond me. It’s about the degrees of wrong and the degrees of accountability. But hey, same-same. So Dems should start playing that way.
Clinton was accused by how many women? and he gets a pass?
unreal.
An investigation that started out as a land deal and resulted in a perjury charge? But hey, same-same.static111 said:
We aren't allowed to criticize Dems until they are as awful as some republicans, at least that is what i think the rule is?HughFreakingDillon said:
no one is equating them but you.Halifax2TheMax said:
How many women? “Gets a pass?” Did you miss the word “inappropriate?”HughFreakingDillon said:
you once called me a woman-hating misogynist for saying something less offensive than this (that I didn't support Hillary or something along those lines).Halifax2TheMax said:
If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same.nicknyr15 said:
So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.nicknyr15 said:
The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
Why some can’t admit that is beyond me. It’s about the degrees of wrong and the degrees of accountability. But hey, same-same. So Dems should start playing that way.
Clinton was accused by how many women? and he gets a pass?
unreal.
An investigation that started out as a land deal and resulted in a perjury charge? But hey, same-same.It’s not about criticizing Dems. Trump has played us to think the media is pro dem, and the media often slants the story to serve itself and not the truth to the story.
Biden made his decision on a completely different criteria , not whether generals told him to keep troops there. That’s an absurd question, generals always want more troops there.
And the key testimony bearing this out from yesterday is being ignored by almost everyone. Imagine a day where I am the one supporting Sen Warren, but congrats to her-
“ Warren soon followed by saying, “I believe that leaving a force behind would have necessitated that force staying indefinitely,” to which Milley replied “That’s right.” And after the lawmaker said keeping U.S. forces in Afghanistan would expose them “to unnecessary risk or harm,” Milley also agreed: “That’s exactly right.”NatSec Daily asked Warren about the exchange. “Yesterday I asked General Milley whether leaving a couple of thousand U.S. troops behind in Afghanistan for a few more months would have changed the outcome there -- and he said the outcome would have been the same. In fact, it only would have served to put more American lives at risk,” she told us. “Instead, Joe Biden made the courageous decision to finally leave Afghanistan and followed the military's guidance on how to go about that withdrawal."
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everyone should be concerned if their CIC can't recall giving a major military order or not. not only if it's trump.Halifax2TheMax said:
Can't wait for you to be "concerned" when Biden can't recall something he said or was told, tomorrow.HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't know. do you?Halifax2TheMax said:
Did Biden lie about what his general(s) told him, seeing it concerns you so very much?HughFreakingDillon said:
stop putting words in people's mouths.Halifax2TheMax said:The faux outrage or desirability for accountability only comes out when its one side. Has anyone answered Mickey's question yet? How's that border "crisis." Bottom line? dems are held accountable, way more so than repubs. Why can't you acknowledge that? Everything is same-same?
Did Biden lie, referring to your post of this morning?HughFreakingDillon said:
Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary released 20 years of tax returns. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and the CGF were investigated and nothing came from it. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and Benghazi. Buh, buh, buh Hillary and White Water. Same with Rose Firm billing records. And Vince Foster. And her emails. Tell me again, how outraged I should be over Hillary's malfeascance. And you want me to believe that somehow both sides are the same and that they are or should be held accountable. Delusional.
some of us have the ability to talk about different things in different situations without it always being a comparable to something else.Halifax2TheMax said:Listen to the righteous. Holy crap, relitagating the Clinton years. POOTWH may very well be the repubs nominee in 2024 and 65M+ voters will likely vote for him. Some here can’t see the difference in that? Talk about blinders.
funny, for the last 4 years, anytime said anything about hillary, your response was a mocking "buh buh buh hillary", but now that a dem is in office, any criticism levied at him is met with a "buh buh buh trump".
Criticism, in my view should be justifiable and warranted. Not made up faux outrage. A lot of that here lately and for some, a hell of a lot less of it when it was wholly justifiable and backed with facts. To the bold, in the absence of facts.
Did Biden lie about what his generals told him?
i never said both sides were the same.
i never said, nor even came close to implying, that i'm outraged. I used the word "concerning". it that "outrage" to you? we should be questioning our elected representatives, whether they fall under your version of justifiable (AKA: did trump do worse?) or not.
I hold people accountable on their own actions based on the merits of what they've done, not on some "but he did it first/worse" childish sliding scale.
and again, I said I was less concerned if he lied than if he couldn't recall.
can't wait for you to ask me this same question in 6 months.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
well the joke is on the pro vaxxers. maga won't eat salads because they are not made out of red meat.The Juggler said:
On a side note, Michael Flynn is under the assumption the government is putting the covid vaccine in salad dressing.gimmesometruth27 said:
well michael flynn was convicted and pardoned. maybe some of these generals are maga with an axe to grind against biden?JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:Interesting that we're not entertaining the possibility that his generals are the ones playing both sides of the coin.If this is true, do you think Biden would take immediate action against them? There are many upset over the handling of Afghanistan and if his own generals are lying about what actually happened, Biden should get rid of them right now or at least discipline them. They all know what Biden said publicly and they are contradicting that. If he doesn't do something right now, what are they willing to do next?How many employees can tell lies about their boss and get away unscathed?
https://www.insider.com/michael-flynn-pushing-conspiracy-theory-covid19-vaccines-in-salad-dressing-2021-9"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
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