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From the Letter From an American:HughFreakingDillon said:
again, why does trump always have to be the new bar? we should be expecting more out of our political leaders than just "well at least he's not trump".Halifax2TheMax said:It’s politics. Get out and deal with the political fall out after the troops are out as opposed to “being honest” and getting ripped to shreds and pressured by politics to stay in. We’re out of that colossal waste finally.
25,000+ lies over 4 years of POOTWH and suddenly we care about the “truth?” Give me a break.
and we always cared about the truth, which is why trump's constant lies were a constant thing in the news and on here. you cared about it. now you don't?
I personally want the leader of the free world to recall if he gave a pretty important order to his military generals or not. and that has nothing to do with honesty, just competency.In his statement, Milley laid out the course of the war in Afghanistan. He noted that in 20 years there, more than 800,000 U.S. military personnel served; 2,461 were killed in action, 20,698 were wounded, and countless others came home with internal scars. Milley expressed his opinion that their service in Afghanistan prevented another attack on America from terrorists based there.
Then Milley talked of our exit from the country, emphasizing that it is a mistake to focus only on our rushed exit in August. In 2011, we began a long-term drawdown of troops from their peak of 97,000 U.S. troops and 41,000 NATO troops. On February 29, 2020, when the Trump administration signed an agreement with the Taliban, there were 12,600 U.S. troops, 8,000 NATO troops, and 10,500 contractors in Afghanistan. With that agreement, known as the Doha Agreement, we agreed to withdraw if the Taliban met seven conditions that would lead to a deal between the Afghan government and the Taliban, while we agreed to eight conditions.
Milley wrote that the Taliban honored only one of its seven required conditions: it did not attack U.S. personnel. It did not cut ties to al Qaeda, and it significantly increased, rather than decreased, its attacks on Afghan civilians. Nonetheless, in the 8 months after the agreement, “we reduced US military forces from 12,600 to 6,800, NATO forces from 8,000 to 5,400 and US contractors from 9,700 to 7,900….”
On November 9, 2020, six days after the presidential election, Milley and then–Secretary of Defense Mark Esper recommended stopping the withdrawal until the Taliban met the required conditions. Two days later, on November 11, then-president Trump ordered the military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan by January 15, 2021. Blindsided, military officers were able to talk Trump out of that rushed timetable, but on November 17, Trump ordered Milley to reduce troop levels to 2,500 no later than January 15.
So, when President Biden took office, only about 3,500 U.S. troops, 5,400 NATO troops, and 6,300 contractors were still in Afghanistan, leaving him with the problem that he would have either to leave altogether or to put in more troops in anticipation of resumed hostilities with the Taliban. Biden ordered a review of the situation and ultimately decided to withdraw from the country altogether.
Milley went on to explain some of the issues that have preoccupied pundits. He said he saw no predictions that the Afghan Army would melt away in 11 days. “The speed, scale and scope of the collapse was a surprise.” He said that holding the Bagram air base would have required 5,000–6,000 additional troops and that staying on after the August 31 deadline would have required 15,000–20,000 more troops, who would have faced significant risks, including the likelihood of casualties. “While it was militarily feasible,” he wrote, “we assessed the cost to be extraordinarily high…. Therefore, we unanimously recommended that the military mission be transitioned on 31 August to a diplomatic mission in order to get out the remaining American citizens.” In response to a question from Senator King, Milley put it more clearly: “On the first of September, we were going to go to war again with the Taliban. Of that there was no doubt.”
If Biden lied to avoid getting sucked in to remaining and then called weak for changing his mind due to political pressure, so be it. POOTWH isn't the new bar, he's the standard. Look at Moscow Mitchy Baby. You can't continue to take the "high road" and play by the rules when the other side doesn't have rules, a moral compass or anything that resembles fair play or doing what is right for the nation. So Biden lied about what his generals told him and made the decision he did. Impeach him.head of central command snd chaiman of joint chiefs plus sec def all have said their "personal" opinion was stay.not one has said that was the advice given although article I posted sbove claimed Biden said he received mixed review...._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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You need both political parties to be honest and both to be held accountable to the same standards for a functioning democracy. One political party has upped its dishonesty to unpresidented levels and is never held accountable. If you’re the only side that takes the high road, you eventually don’t have a road. And we’re watching it happen in real time and in slow motion. If everyone thinks the two parties are “same-same” then you might as well be “same-same.” Flush that.HughFreakingDillon said:well then all your previous outrage at trump constantly lying just went down the toilet. you might want to go back and edit about 7 thousand posts.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Let me know when any dem lies to the extent the repubs have and do and then we can talk.nicknyr15 said:
Yes. Only cared about the truth the last 4 years. Now it doesn’t matter. I guess politics has become like religion to a few. In no way shape or form can you call out your own. Sad.HughFreakingDillon said:well then all your previous outrage at trump constantly lying just went down the toilet. you might want to go back and edit about 7 thousand posts.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!0 -
Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.nicknyr15 said:
The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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had trump lied to get us out of that failed war, and US service members died during the pullout, you'd be losing your shit.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
and honestly, i was less concerned about the potential that he lied; more the potential that he "didn't recall". recalling things like that is pretty important.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.nicknyr15 said:
The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!0 -
Exactly. I can’t understand why this just can’t be admitted to.HughFreakingDillon said:
had trump lied to get us out of that failed war, and US service members died during the pullout, you'd be losing your shit.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
and honestly, i was less concerned about the potential that he lied; more the potential that he "didn't recall". recalling things like that is pretty important.0 -
I’m ecstatic we’re out. POOTWH could have done it while he was in office and been my hero. Instead, he pulled a shrub. Both Obama and Biden called their bluff and repubs lost their shit. Same-same. Just like the debt ceiling. And immigration. And covid. It’s all same-same.HughFreakingDillon said:
had trump lied to get us out of that failed war, and US service members died during the pullout, you'd be losing your shit.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
and honestly, i was less concerned about the potential that he lied; more the potential that he "didn't recall". recalling things like that is pretty important.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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HAHAHAH right.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m ecstatic we’re out. POOTWH could have done it while he was in office and been my hero. Instead, he pulled a shrub. Both Obama and Biden called their bluff and repubs lost their shit. Same-same. Just like the debt ceiling. And immigration. And covid. It’s all same-same.HughFreakingDillon said:
had trump lied to get us out of that failed war, and US service members died during the pullout, you'd be losing your shit.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
and honestly, i was less concerned about the potential that he lied; more the potential that he "didn't recall". recalling things like that is pretty important.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
I would have given him credit but instead he chose to remain the shit stain on humanity that some of us know he is.HughFreakingDillon said:
HAHAHAH right.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m ecstatic we’re out. POOTWH could have done it while he was in office and been my hero. Instead, he pulled a shrub. Both Obama and Biden called their bluff and repubs lost their shit. Same-same. Just like the debt ceiling. And immigration. And covid. It’s all same-same.HughFreakingDillon said:
had trump lied to get us out of that failed war, and US service members died during the pullout, you'd be losing your shit.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
and honestly, i was less concerned about the potential that he lied; more the potential that he "didn't recall". recalling things like that is pretty important.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I'd be interested to see your posts dating back to around the time Trump pulled out of Syria.Halifax2TheMax said:
I would have given him credit but instead he chose to remain the shit stain on humanity that some of us know he is.HughFreakingDillon said:
HAHAHAH right.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m ecstatic we’re out. POOTWH could have done it while he was in office and been my hero. Instead, he pulled a shrub. Both Obama and Biden called their bluff and repubs lost their shit. Same-same. Just like the debt ceiling. And immigration. And covid. It’s all same-same.HughFreakingDillon said:
had trump lied to get us out of that failed war, and US service members died during the pullout, you'd be losing your shit.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
and honestly, i was less concerned about the potential that he lied; more the potential that he "didn't recall". recalling things like that is pretty important.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same.nicknyr15 said:
So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.nicknyr15 said:
The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
Why some can’t admit that is beyond me. It’s about the degrees of wrong and the degrees of accountability. But hey, same-same. So Dems should start playing that way.Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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You’re an incredible hypocrite. It’s all good though.Halifax2TheMax said:
If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-samenicknyr15 said:
So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.nicknyr15 said:
The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!0 -
And your an incredible model of consistency, only outraged by one side. See where that’ll get you.nicknyr15 said:
You’re an incredible hypocrite. It’s all good though.Halifax2TheMax said:
If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-samenicknyr15 said:
So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.nicknyr15 said:
The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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holy shit dude. you just called him exactly what you do.Halifax2TheMax said:
And your an incredible model of consistency, only outraged by one side. See where that’ll get you.nicknyr15 said:
You’re an incredible hypocrite. It’s all good though.Halifax2TheMax said:
If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-samenicknyr15 said:
So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.nicknyr15 said:
The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
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had trump lied to get us out of that failed war, and US service members died during the pullout, you'd be losing your shit.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
and honestly, i was less concerned about the potential that he lied; more the potential that he "didn't recall". recalling things like that is pretty important.Playing the both sides card on whether Biden should have kept troops in Afghanistan is a bit absurd, since that is the wrong question. The minimal troop level Biden was left with was unsustainable as more troops would have been needed once the US showed the taliban it was violating the agreement by staying in the country long term. Under that scenario, loss of life would likely have been far greater than the tragic loss of 13 troops.
the right question is - would staying in Afghanistan or increasing troops change anything regarding the outcome of the 20 year war. That is what Biden was adamant about regarding the advice from his generals, until Stephanopolous caught him when he was apparently furious about all the second guessing that everyone other than the president gets to make. Whether they told him to keep troops there is irrelevant. Yes the generals ALWAYS want more troops.
Bottom line, leaving was the right call that 70% of the country agreed with, until things got messy. And now many of the 70% are making the wrong interpretation that getting out immediately was not safer to the lives of American troops. But that’s the luxury second guessers get to make that POTUS does not. Yes Biden should clean up his comment to ABC News, but that was 100% the wrong question0 -
Yea I only voice certain opinions here. I just figured this site doesn’t need another person screaming about trump. But go ahead and make your assumptions. Where exactly has your posts here got you? How much time exactly have you wasted yelling at the clouds here? Your condescending tone and “smartest guy in the room” attitude here is appalling honestly and quite boring.Halifax2TheMax said:
And your an incredible model of consistency, only outraged by one side. See where that’ll get you.nicknyr15 said:
You’re an incredible hypocrite. It’s all good though.Halifax2TheMax said:
If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-samenicknyr15 said:
So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.nicknyr15 said:
The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!0 -
you once called me a woman-hating misogynist for saying something less offensive than this (that I didn't support Hillary or something along those lines).Halifax2TheMax said:
If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same.nicknyr15 said:
So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.nicknyr15 said:
The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”.Halifax2TheMax said:And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
Why some can’t admit that is beyond me. It’s about the degrees of wrong and the degrees of accountability. But hey, same-same. So Dems should start playing that way.
Clinton was accused by how many women? and he gets a pass?
unreal.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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