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A conscious decision to play live songs closer to the studio versions?

RiotZactRiotZact Posts: 6,206
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This has been mentioned in various Sea.Hear.Now threads so I thought it warranted it’s own discussion. 

It was just one show, but it seems that the band made an obvious attempt at slowing down some of the songs, or even making other small changes that made songs sound closer to their studio versions. Which may have played a small part in the setlist only being 20 songs. 

Here is a short list of some of the things that have been noted by myself and others:

Corduroy - slightly slower than normal AND Matt played the drums at the beginning more on par with the studio version than he usually does 

Present Tense - noticeably slower than recent history

Even Flow - slower than some of the most recent versions, but I personally think people are exaggerating this one a bit. It might be a tick slower, but nothing drastic from what I could tell

Daughter - slower than usual AND the W.M.A. tag was much more encompassing than it usually is

Given to Fly - noticeably slower than recent history

Porch - no extended intro, Eddie still playing guitar, but he ripped right into “what the fuck is this world…” 

Anything else?

I am somewhat of a song chaser, so it does sting a little bit seeing some of those songs that got cut (especially Light Years). But with that being said, I did enjoy several of these songs much more than I usually do because of these changes. 

Thoughts?
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    F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,622
    I did not go to, nor listen to, the show so I can only comment in general -- and ignorant to what the changes sounded like.

    In general, I prefer them to play the songs faster.  There are a few reasons, but mostly because I like to rock out.

    Will still love seeing them live but I was one of the (few?) folks loving that they rocked shit out in a different manner than on the records.
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    SomethingCreativeSomethingCreative Kazoo, MI Posts: 3,347
    Very happy to hear this.  State of love and trust, given to fly, and present tense suffer when played at warp speed.  It probably stemmed from being off for so long and actually listening to the tracks more during rehearsals.
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    cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,640
    edited September 2021
    They sounded so much better at Sea Hear Now.  I don’t think it really affected the ability to play more songs tho.  They fixed 3 or 4 songs.  So maybe you lose 4 minutes at the most with the 1.5x speed slowed down to 1.   You could say if they just talked less you’d gain that back too but talking helps them pace themselves.  
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,143
    The real answer will come once they play more than a couple of shows. To me it just sounds like they were easing into playing live for the first time in years. 
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    jimjam1982jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,203
    That was the slowest I have heard GTF since 2000,  and it kind of bombed for me. Speed it up. 

    All the rest were really cool/perfect tempo. I like the 2018 versions of Corduroy with EV getting the crowd into it in the middle.

    I don't want the live shows to just turn into studio albums in person.  Part of the fun is how they make it different live.

    PT and Daughter are much better slowed down just due to the type of songs they are.

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    BrainofBGABrainofBGA Australia Posts: 3,933
    I thought Jeff said in an interview recently that they were thinking about / he was hoping they’d slow the songs down to a more album like tempo. I think it’s a conscious decision. Maybe after Ohana we’ll have a bit more evidence to go by. 
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,986
    Guns N Roses slowed down their songs this very tour more to the speed of the albums, and people theorized it had to do with Axl's voice/singing.

    Nothing beats the State of Love and Trust from Milan 2006 (on Immagine in Cornice) that goes by at like 300% speed.
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    tschavtschav Posts: 2,768
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    The real answer will come once they play more than a couple of shows. To me it just sounds like they were easing into playing live for the first time in years. 
    I'm guessing Spring Tour or even if Ohana Encore has longer sets we'll see them pack in the # of songs and speed things up a little.
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    cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,640
    Given to Fly needs to be at 1997 pace.  

    Even flow can stay fast but it doesn’t bug me as much
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    BrainofBGABrainofBGA Australia Posts: 3,933
    I like some of the songs with a quicker tempo for sure but SOLAT is one that is played way too fast. Listen to a gem from Melbourne ‘98 and you forget how great it is live. Lately it has been way too fast. 
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,877
    It definitely built up over time but mike's solo during porch was very slow at first.  Lots of slow bends started things off.  I loved it.  :)
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    vedpunkvedpunk Posts: 825
    I believe it's less about slowing down the songs and more about bringing the groove back.  Early on in their career, songs like Even Flow, GTF and SOLAT were all songs you could bob your head to and jam out to the groove. Love that they may be consciously going back to that delivery and flow.  That's what many fans were originally drawn to back in the early days.  
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,728
    Definitely seemed like a conscious decision. It was very evident in Even Flow. I like it. 
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    Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 3,929
    vedpunk said:
    I believe it's less about slowing down the songs and more about bringing the groove back.  Early on in their career, songs like Even Flow, GTF and SOLAT were all songs you could bob your head to and jam out to the groove. Love that they may be consciously going back to that delivery and flow.  That's what many fans were originally drawn to back in the early days.  
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    OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,175
    edited September 2021
    I honestly didn’t notice. Still the same style it’s been played for the past 21 years even if slower.

    SOLAT is killer studio and flat live (today) in comparison IMHO. Their style has changed since the early days. I love the grungier, groovier sound of those early tracks but it hasn’t sounded like that in a long long time.
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    RiotZactRiotZact Posts: 6,206
    OceansJenny said:
    I honestly didn’t notice. Still the same style it’s been played for the past 21 years even if slower.
    I honestly didn’t notice it at the show either. It wasn’t until I saw people comment about it on here and watched some of the songs on YouTube. 
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,143
    cp3iverson said:
    Given to Fly needs to be at 1997 pace.  

    Even flow can stay fast but it doesn’t bug me as much
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    PJammer4lifePJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,591
    Playing along with the albums at home rather than the band seems a possibility for a change in tempo. 
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    OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,175
    PJammer4life said:
    Playing along with the albums at home rather than the band seems a possibility for a change in tempo. 
    Honestly don’t drums set the tempo? So is this a Matt thing?
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,143
    PJammer4life said:
    Playing along with the albums at home rather than the band seems a possibility for a change in tempo. 
    They rehearsed though, in person ahead of SHN. 
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,986
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    Remember when that one dude asked Matt Cameron on Pearl Jam radio to slow down the songs, and  he got scolded on here for his audacity?

    Well, now 10 years later - I guess that dude won.

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    SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,844
    Thank god Given to Fly is being slowed down 

    studio version is miles better than rushed live versions 
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,143
    SVRDhand13 said:
    Thank god Given to Fly is being slowed down 

    studio version is miles better than rushed live versions 
    1998 live though....SO good!!! 
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,986
    Thank god for Jeff Ament. 

    I hope we see even more changes than songs being slowed down and Matt changing up his drumming. 

    I hope they also change up the setlist structure. Change up that last encore a bit.
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,759
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Remember when that one dude asked Matt Cameron on Pearl Jam radio to slow down the songs, and  he got scolded on here for his audacity?

    Well, now 10 years later - I guess that dude won.

    https://youtu.be/iuCbb-0Q-3w
    If you think MC dictates the tempos and EV just goes a long with it, then you’re nuts. This was a conscious decision by EV or someone in the band. I’ve said this since the night of the night of the show. 
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,916
    nicknyr15 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Remember when that one dude asked Matt Cameron on Pearl Jam radio to slow down the songs, and  he got scolded on here for his audacity?

    Well, now 10 years later - I guess that dude won.

    https://youtu.be/iuCbb-0Q-3w
    If you think MC dictates the tempos and EV just goes a long with it, then you’re nuts. This was a conscious decision by EV or someone in the band. I’ve said this since the night of the night of the show. 
    Someone in the band...like Matt Cameron?
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    :lol:
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    strilostrilo Portland OR Posts: 483
    Or it could just have been a joint decision by the band. Someone brought it up, maybe several of them had similar thoughts. Then they talked it out as a band and agreed. 
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,759
    JimmyV said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Remember when that one dude asked Matt Cameron on Pearl Jam radio to slow down the songs, and  he got scolded on here for his audacity?

    Well, now 10 years later - I guess that dude won.

    https://youtu.be/iuCbb-0Q-3w
    If you think MC dictates the tempos and EV just goes a long with it, then you’re nuts. This was a conscious decision by EV or someone in the band. I’ve said this since the night of the night of the show. 
    Someone in the band...like Matt Cameron?
    No way. MC doesn’t drive the band. MC could play any tempo and any time signature. He’s there to play however EV feels comfortable. Obviously this is my opinion but we all who’s in charge 
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    BrainofBGABrainofBGA Australia Posts: 3,933
    strilo said:
    Or it could just have been a joint decision by the band. Someone brought it up, maybe several of them had similar thoughts. Then they talked it out as a band and agreed. 
    Probably this. Simple. 
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