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  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    curmudgeoness said:
    rustneversleeps said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    I'm not a lawyer, but if you parse the language of the note, it sounds more like a CYA statement than anything. Nothing says that you will be required to provide proof of vaccination/ negative test -- you are being asked to abide by the honor system.

    I'm also not a doctor. That said: Unless you are an immunocompromised person (think organ transplant recipient, or on chemo), if you are vaccinated against COVID then maskless/ unvaccinated people pose very little risk to you; the risk is all theirs.
    it specifically says the event organizer is "requiring"....  and this "requirement" will apply to all before allowed entry.  whatever that means. 

    Yes, it is *requiring* attendees to agree to confirm that they will be vaccinated and/or have a negative test result and/or wear a mask. That's not the same as requiring people to present their vaccination cards at the entry. If you look at what the state is saying, they're trying to sidestep legal battles with anti-vaxxers while encouraging pro-social behavior. This notice does the same thing: it says, we'd *really* like you to show up vaccinated, and if you aren't, we expect you to wear a mask.

    It's an honor system. There's an implicit acknowledgement that if you disregard expectations and get sick, that's on you -- you know, "you're an adult; act like one."  But there's not an explicit waiver of liability as I hear Japan is doing for the Olympics.

    Edit to add: I don't see how they could check vaccination/ testing status at the gates. That would be a complete cluster. Perhaps uploading proof of vaccination prior to the mailing date for wristbands could be required, but arguing with thousands of people at the entry? That's not going to happen.
    what do you make of "this requirement will apply to all members of your party before they are allowed to enter the event"

    are these other shows popping up using some kind of verification system, or is it all a CYA?  anyone know?  these foo fighters shows for example, are they actually checking? if ohana was going to check somehow, i dont think the communication will come from ticketmaster, the details will come from ohana.  so i dont expect that ticketmaster pop up to have all the detail, just a warning saying the organizers want vax/negative test....  then the organizer should be relaying and new details.  
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,640
    If you haven't booked your flights yet Southwest is doing a 50% off fare deal today. I just rebooked 2 trips at lower prices and moved up to Business Select in both. Saved just over $450 for my 2 Ohana flights which I then applied to another trip.

    You can do it all on the Southwest app/website.
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    Bentleyspop said:
    If you haven't booked your flights yet Southwest is doing a 50% off fare deal today. I just rebooked 2 trips at lower prices and moved up to Business Select in both. Saved just over $450 for my 2 Ohana flights which I then applied to another trip.

    You can do it all on the Southwest app/website.
    Nice heads up! 
  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    thanks bentleyspop
  • Father Hubbard
    Father Hubbard Chicago Posts: 1,676
    PJNB said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    If you haven't booked your flights yet Southwest is doing a 50% off fare deal today. I just rebooked 2 trips at lower prices and moved up to Business Select in both. Saved just over $450 for my 2 Ohana flights which I then applied to another trip.

    You can do it all on the Southwest app/website.
    Nice heads up! 
    x2, thank you!  Even beat out the points guy with the info
  • whitepants
    whitepants Posts: 729
    PJNB said:
    rustneversleeps said:
    seeing a pop up when you search ohana tickets on ticketmaster talking full vaccination or negative test. first time i saw that. 



    Nice find. Just as @curmudgeoness was saying too. Curious how they are going to implement this though. Check at the gate then what? I get they need to do what the current guidelines are but once you are in....

    Also it says current guidelines which tells me even though the current one is dated until October this can change. 
    There might be a hand stamp for those who will be required to wear a mask, or... a bright orange/yellow wristband. But yes, there will be those kind of people who will not wear a mask regardless. 
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  • pjpitt89
    pjpitt89 Posts: 1,877
    Bentleyspop said:
    If you haven't booked your flights yet Southwest is doing a 50% off fare deal today. I just rebooked 2 trips at lower prices and moved up to Business Select in both. Saved just over $450 for my 2 Ohana flights which I then applied to another trip.

    You can do it all on the Southwest app/website.
    I'm guessing I'd have to cancel my current flights, then re book? Always makes me nervous that they may no longer be available
    9/1/00, 4/28/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/12/03, 10/1/04, 9/28/05, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 6/1/06, 6/27/08, 6/30/08, 8/7/08 (EV), 6/12/09 (EV), 10/27/09, 10/28/09,10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 6/15/11 (EV), 9/2/12, 7/19/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 10/27/13, 4/28/16, 4/29/16, 8/7/16, 11/4/16 (TOTD), 8/18/18, 8/20/18, 9/24/21 (EV&Earthlings), 9/26/21, 9/11/2022, 9/14/2022, 9/7/2024, 9/9/2024, 9/12/2024, 5/16/2025, 5/18/2025
  • Father Hubbard
    Father Hubbard Chicago Posts: 1,676
    pjpitt89 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    If you haven't booked your flights yet Southwest is doing a 50% off fare deal today. I just rebooked 2 trips at lower prices and moved up to Business Select in both. Saved just over $450 for my 2 Ohana flights which I then applied to another trip.

    You can do it all on the Southwest app/website.
    I'm guessing I'd have to cancel my current flights, then re book? Always makes me nervous that they may no longer be available


    Unfortunately I couldnt figure out how to just change the current booking, but I booked the new flights first, then went and canceled the ones I originally had booked
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,640
    pjpitt89 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    If you haven't booked your flights yet Southwest is doing a 50% off fare deal today. I just rebooked 2 trips at lower prices and moved up to Business Select in both. Saved just over $450 for my 2 Ohana flights which I then applied to another trip.

    You can do it all on the Southwest app/website.
    I'm guessing I'd have to cancel my current flights, then re book? Always makes me nervous that they may no longer be available
    Its real easy to do via the app.
    It will show if seats are sold out or limited.
    Took me all of 5 or 6 minutes this morning.
  • DoDaFoo
    DoDaFoo Seattle, WA Posts: 260
    Thanks for the heads up. Just rebooked and saved my wife and I over 6000 in points each.
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    rustneversleeps said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    rustneversleeps said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    I'm not a lawyer, but if you parse the language of the note, it sounds more like a CYA statement than anything. Nothing says that you will be required to provide proof of vaccination/ negative test -- you are being asked to abide by the honor system.

    I'm also not a doctor. That said: Unless you are an immunocompromised person (think organ transplant recipient, or on chemo), if you are vaccinated against COVID then maskless/ unvaccinated people pose very little risk to you; the risk is all theirs.
    it specifically says the event organizer is "requiring"....  and this "requirement" will apply to all before allowed entry.  whatever that means. 

    Yes, it is *requiring* attendees to agree to confirm that they will be vaccinated and/or have a negative test result and/or wear a mask. That's not the same as requiring people to present their vaccination cards at the entry. If you look at what the state is saying, they're trying to sidestep legal battles with anti-vaxxers while encouraging pro-social behavior. This notice does the same thing: it says, we'd *really* like you to show up vaccinated, and if you aren't, we expect you to wear a mask.

    It's an honor system. There's an implicit acknowledgement that if you disregard expectations and get sick, that's on you -- you know, "you're an adult; act like one."  But there's not an explicit waiver of liability as I hear Japan is doing for the Olympics.

    Edit to add: I don't see how they could check vaccination/ testing status at the gates. That would be a complete cluster. Perhaps uploading proof of vaccination prior to the mailing date for wristbands could be required, but arguing with thousands of people at the entry? That's not going to happen.
    what do you make of "this requirement will apply to all members of your party before they are allowed to enter the event"

    are these other shows popping up using some kind of verification system, or is it all a CYA?  anyone know?  these foo fighters shows for example, are they actually checking? if ohana was going to check somehow, i dont think the communication will come from ticketmaster, the details will come from ohana.  so i dont expect that ticketmaster pop up to have all the detail, just a warning saying the organizers want vax/negative test....  then the organizer should be relaying and new details.  

    Honestly? I think it's still a fluid situation. I think Frontgate or whoever is organizing Ohana has the option of requiring proof of vaccination or a negative test; I also think that they've had a lot of time to think about how to handle re-opening. How do you control for people who won't comply no matter what? What does the science say? Is it worth the effort to check every person passing through the gates?

    E.g.: I'm fully vaccinated. Let's say that Ohana decides to require people to upload their CDC cards before wristbands are mailed. I'll do that, no problem. But what if something comes up and I'm not able to attend the festival, and there are dozens of nice people on here who would be thrilled to take my three-day passes off of my hands? What happens now? What if I sell my passes to you -- are you vaccinated? How would I check that? How would the festival organizers check that?

    People who are inclined to comply -- like you, I assume -- read the pop-up and think "Good thing I'm vaccinated/ have an appt to get vaccinated!" People who are not inclined to comply are going to find a way around the requirements. And the powers-that-be know this.

    I live in San Diego. In my zip code, I'd guess that 75% of people are vaccinated, at a minimum. The state reopened yesterday, and stores have posted signs at their entrances saying that masks are required for non-vaccinated people and/or that by entering said business maskless you are affirming that you have been vaccinated, per state guidelines. (99% of the people I saw in Ralph's yesterday still wore masks, nonetheless.)

    On its face, the "masks are required for non-vaccinated people" rule is silly -- how do you check vaccination status at the mall? But the message is that if you're vaccinated, you're protected, and if you're not, you're not. That message has been slow to sink in with a lot of people (not directing that at you or at anyone in particular).

    So the pop-up people are seeing reflects current state policy: *encouraging* people at outdoor mega events to be vaccinated, giving organizers some discretion. As of today, I don't see that notice as a requirement of proof of vaccination; that doesn't mean that Ohana won't make proof of vaccination status a requirement down the road.  So get vaccinated, people! :-)

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  • pjpitt89
    pjpitt89 Posts: 1,877
    Bentleyspop said:
    pjpitt89 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    If you haven't booked your flights yet Southwest is doing a 50% off fare deal today. I just rebooked 2 trips at lower prices and moved up to Business Select in both. Saved just over $450 for my 2 Ohana flights which I then applied to another trip.

    You can do it all on the Southwest app/website.
    I'm guessing I'd have to cancel my current flights, then re book? Always makes me nervous that they may no longer be available
    Its real easy to do via the app.
    It will show if seats are sold out or limited.
    Took me all of 5 or 6 minutes this morning.
    I finally did it for mine and my wife's flight out, now we each have about $70 in travel funds left over. I used points for our flights home and it looks like booking with points isn't 50% off. But I'll take the $140ish back, thanks for the heads up!
    9/1/00, 4/28/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/12/03, 10/1/04, 9/28/05, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 6/1/06, 6/27/08, 6/30/08, 8/7/08 (EV), 6/12/09 (EV), 10/27/09, 10/28/09,10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 6/15/11 (EV), 9/2/12, 7/19/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 10/27/13, 4/28/16, 4/29/16, 8/7/16, 11/4/16 (TOTD), 8/18/18, 8/20/18, 9/24/21 (EV&Earthlings), 9/26/21, 9/11/2022, 9/14/2022, 9/7/2024, 9/9/2024, 9/12/2024, 5/16/2025, 5/18/2025
  • DoDaFoo
    DoDaFoo Seattle, WA Posts: 260
    pjpitt89 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    pjpitt89 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    If you haven't booked your flights yet Southwest is doing a 50% off fare deal today. I just rebooked 2 trips at lower prices and moved up to Business Select in both. Saved just over $450 for my 2 Ohana flights which I then applied to another trip.

    You can do it all on the Southwest app/website.
    I'm guessing I'd have to cancel my current flights, then re book? Always makes me nervous that they may no longer be available
    Its real easy to do via the app.
    It will show if seats are sold out or limited.
    Took me all of 5 or 6 minutes this morning.
    I finally did it for mine and my wife's flight out, now we each have about $70 in travel funds left over. I used points for our flights home and it looks like booking with points isn't 50% off. But I'll take the $140ish back, thanks for the heads up!
    Ours were booked with points (roundtrip) and I was able to cancel and rebook and save us each over 6000 points total.

  • pjpitt89
    pjpitt89 Posts: 1,877
    DoDaFoo said:
    pjpitt89 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    pjpitt89 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    If you haven't booked your flights yet Southwest is doing a 50% off fare deal today. I just rebooked 2 trips at lower prices and moved up to Business Select in both. Saved just over $450 for my 2 Ohana flights which I then applied to another trip.

    You can do it all on the Southwest app/website.
    I'm guessing I'd have to cancel my current flights, then re book? Always makes me nervous that they may no longer be available
    Its real easy to do via the app.
    It will show if seats are sold out or limited.
    Took me all of 5 or 6 minutes this morning.
    I finally did it for mine and my wife's flight out, now we each have about $70 in travel funds left over. I used points for our flights home and it looks like booking with points isn't 50% off. But I'll take the $140ish back, thanks for the heads up!
    Ours were booked with points (roundtrip) and I was able to cancel and rebook and save us each over 6000 points total.

    Nice! Cancelling my flight home gives me 14k points back but then to book the same flight today would cost 48k points
    9/1/00, 4/28/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/12/03, 10/1/04, 9/28/05, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 6/1/06, 6/27/08, 6/30/08, 8/7/08 (EV), 6/12/09 (EV), 10/27/09, 10/28/09,10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 6/15/11 (EV), 9/2/12, 7/19/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 10/27/13, 4/28/16, 4/29/16, 8/7/16, 11/4/16 (TOTD), 8/18/18, 8/20/18, 9/24/21 (EV&Earthlings), 9/26/21, 9/11/2022, 9/14/2022, 9/7/2024, 9/9/2024, 9/12/2024, 5/16/2025, 5/18/2025
  • BB162610
    BB162610 Upstate NY Posts: 543
    Wow, I was just able to snag 3 Sunday GA tickets for 150 each on the exchange!  Just in time to take advantage of the Southwest Airlines deal.  I have had a refundable room reserved, but had given up hope that I was going to be able to attend due to the crazy prices.  Super excited! 
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    BB162610 said:
    Wow, I was just able to snag 3 Sunday GA tickets for 150 each on the exchange!  Just in time to take advantage of the Southwest Airlines deal.  I have had a refundable room reserved, but had given up hope that I was going to be able to attend due to the crazy prices.  Super excited! 
    Thats awesome congrats! 
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    BB162610 said:
    Wow, I was just able to snag 3 Sunday GA tickets for 150 each on the exchange!  Just in time to take advantage of the Southwest Airlines deal.  I have had a refundable room reserved, but had given up hope that I was going to be able to attend due to the crazy prices.  Super excited! 
    WOW! Congrats!
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,211
    BB162610 said:
    Wow, I was just able to snag 3 Sunday GA tickets for 150 each on the exchange!  Just in time to take advantage of the Southwest Airlines deal.  I have had a refundable room reserved, but had given up hope that I was going to be able to attend due to the crazy prices.  Super excited! 
    I find that hard to believe.  That is below face, demand is crazy right now and the cheapest stubhub ticket is $739.
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    edited June 2021
    Get_Right said:
    BB162610 said:
    Wow, I was just able to snag 3 Sunday GA tickets for 150 each on the exchange!  Just in time to take advantage of the Southwest Airlines deal.  I have had a refundable room reserved, but had given up hope that I was going to be able to attend due to the crazy prices.  Super excited! 
    I find that hard to believe.  That is below face, demand is crazy right now and the cheapest stubhub ticket is $739.
    It is true. It was $154 plus fees actually. I was going to post it here that it was up but saw it was gone seconds after I saw it. 
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    So pumped for this festival!!!
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