what about vault 10 4vinyl box set shipping date?

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  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 97,550
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    aurelgugus said:
    Vault received in France. Thin package but vinyl OK, the insane shipping costs did not result in a strong package.
    Uh oh.  Sounds like there’s a cardboard shortage too.

    I hope our vinyl shipped from the 10club store will be thick packaging, like how they shipped their Vault 3, 4 & 5 vinyl. 
  • FR181798
    FR181798 Posts: 2,166
    10c usually repack these. 
  • JBob87
    JBob87 Posts: 485
    Officially June...
  • LukinFan
    LukinFan Florida Posts: 29,119
    JBob87 said:
    Officially June...
    and still no word
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  • big dipper ice cream
    big dipper ice cream Posts: 2,994
    hope they get the Vault #11 presale listed soon.  It's going to take 6-9 months to get the next vault.

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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,833
    Tim Simmons said:
    Unless they build more plants, or stop making stupid records, this issue is here to stay. Shipping issues will improve, someone else will start making lacquers, but production is at full capacity because demand is at its highest in 30 years. That’s the issue that needs to be sorted. This is the new norm until then. 
    I don’t see new plants being built. No telling how long this demand will be high, if they build new plants likely they will be closed again in a few years.
    Agree with the repressing, but companies only make what people will buy. They must be selling all those repressings to someone. Originals, or at least repressings that are decades old, are easy and cheap enough to find, so I don’t see the point in paying 10x more for a new one. But someone obviously does.
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,691
    edited June 2021
    mace1229 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Unless they build more plants, or stop making stupid records, this issue is here to stay. Shipping issues will improve, someone else will start making lacquers, but production is at full capacity because demand is at its highest in 30 years. That’s the issue that needs to be sorted. This is the new norm until then. 
    I don’t see new plants being built. No telling how long this demand will be high, if they build new plants likely they will be closed again in a few years.

    I disagree with this. Vinyl has seen year over year growth for the past 16-17 years and 2021 is tracking to be even bigger than last year, the biggest year of vinyl sales since the 80s. I do think sales could plateau at some point, but without new plants, opened by the right owners (The more reputable manufacturers), it will kill the market. They are producing at capacity and people are not gonna wait 6-8 months for their record to arrive. Production doesn’t need to be as widespread as the 70s, but increasing capacity by at least 25-50% will let off some of the steam and get us back to an industry with more reasonable lead times for production. We need new plants if we want to maintain its lifespan. 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,833
    Tim Simmons said:
    mace1229 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Unless they build more plants, or stop making stupid records, this issue is here to stay. Shipping issues will improve, someone else will start making lacquers, but production is at full capacity because demand is at its highest in 30 years. That’s the issue that needs to be sorted. This is the new norm until then. 
    I don’t see new plants being built. No telling how long this demand will be high, if they build new plants likely they will be closed again in a few years.

    I disagree with this. Vinyl has seen year over year growth for the past 16-17 years and 2021 is tracking to be even bigger than last year, the biggest year of vinyl sales since the 80s. I do think sales could plateau at some point, but without new plants, opened by the right owners (The more reputable manufacturers), it will kill the market. They are producing at capacity and people are not gonna wait 6-8 months for their record to arrive. Production doesn’t need to be as widespread as the 70s, but increasing capacity by at least 25-50% will let off some of the steam and get us back to an industry with more reasonable lead times for production. We need new plants if we want to maintain its lifespan. 
    Maybe. But that’s still a huge risk to open a plant. PJ couldn’t give away vinyl 10 years ago (almost literally) Riot Act and Avocadp were in stock for years. Backspacer was in stock so long it went on sale for $10- I bought 8 copies at that price to use as decoration around the room. I see vinyl as a fad, people are jumping on the bandwagon. Fads don’t last forever, we just don’t know exactly how long. That makes it a big risk to build a new plant. 
  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,320
    There are 3 new plants being built right now
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,691
    edited June 2021
    mace1229 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    mace1229 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Unless they build more plants, or stop making stupid records, this issue is here to stay. Shipping issues will improve, someone else will start making lacquers, but production is at full capacity because demand is at its highest in 30 years. That’s the issue that needs to be sorted. This is the new norm until then. 
    I don’t see new plants being built. No telling how long this demand will be high, if they build new plants likely they will be closed again in a few years.

    I disagree with this. Vinyl has seen year over year growth for the past 16-17 years and 2021 is tracking to be even bigger than last year, the biggest year of vinyl sales since the 80s. I do think sales could plateau at some point, but without new plants, opened by the right owners (The more reputable manufacturers), it will kill the market. They are producing at capacity and people are not gonna wait 6-8 months for their record to arrive. Production doesn’t need to be as widespread as the 70s, but increasing capacity by at least 25-50% will let off some of the steam and get us back to an industry with more reasonable lead times for production. We need new plants if we want to maintain its lifespan. 
    Maybe. But that’s still a huge risk to open a plant. PJ couldn’t give away vinyl 10 years ago (almost literally) Riot Act and Avocadp were in stock for years. Backspacer was in stock so long it went on sale for $10- I bought 8 copies at that price to use as decoration around the room. I see vinyl as a fad, people are jumping on the bandwagon. Fads don’t last forever, we just don’t know exactly how long. That makes it a big risk to build a new plant. 
    But people have been saying its a fad since the first RSD in 2007. Fads don't last for over a decade. 


    I think in a world where we own little media and everything is digital, some people (not a majority of music buyers, but a sizable portion) want something tangible. 


    Not building more plants is a surefire way to kill vinyl, or at least get it back to its nadir. People will lose interest if they have to wait half a year for records. But yes, its a huge risk, with mediocre margins. But the demand is there. Economics tells us that something will have to come in to satisfy the demand, so there is an upside to opening more plants. 

    I had another thought. Plants have been operating at near capacity for years now. Usually the delays would be a few weeks to a month if you were bumped in the queue. So this has been an issue for a while and has clearly gotten worse this past year. Something needs to be done. 


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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,691
    NewJPage said:
    There are 3 new plants being built right now
    Where? and for whom?

  • LukinFan
    LukinFan Florida Posts: 29,119
    big dipper ice cream said:
    hope they get the Vault #11 presale listed soon.  It's going to take 6-9 months to get the next vault.
    they better not start another presale until we get the one we ordered and paid for months ago
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,691
    why? 
  • Santos L. Halper
    Santos L. Halper Posts: 1,925
    Received word from Cascade that our first pallet of Vault #10 Vinyl will ship next week. 
    The first orders to ship from 10c will be INT folks who purchased via 10c.
    As we receive more vinyl, we'll start shipping via Zones/Zip codes...zip codes beginning with 0-3, then 4-7, lastly 8-9.
    Label printing starts monday. Tracking will become active once it's been scanned after pickup.
    Thanks for your patience!
    slh
  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,320
    Tim Simmons said:
    NewJPage said:
    There are 3 new plants being built right now
    Where? and for whom?

    According to neil 2 in Germany 1 in Canada 
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,691
    Nice.
  • Santos L. Halper
    Santos L. Halper Posts: 1,925
    NewJPage said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    NewJPage said:
    There are 3 new plants being built right now
    Where? and for whom?

    According to neil 2 in Germany 1 in Canada 
    Metal stampers and raw vinyl. Can open 50 plants, won't matter until supply chains get fixed. 
    $.02
    slh
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    Santos L. Halper said:
    Received word from Cascade that our first pallet of Vault #10 Vinyl will ship next week. 
    The first orders to ship from 10c will be INT folks who purchased via 10c.
    As we receive more vinyl, we'll start shipping via Zones/Zip codes...zip codes beginning with 0-3, then 4-7, lastly 8-9.
    Label printing starts monday. Tracking will become active once it's been scanned after pickup.
    Thanks for your patience!
    slh
    INT folks must include your friends North of the 49 😁. Thanks for the update slh!!!
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,691
    Santos L. Halper said:
    NewJPage said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    NewJPage said:
    There are 3 new plants being built right now
    Where? and for whom?

    According to neil 2 in Germany 1 in Canada 
    Metal stampers and raw vinyl. Can open 50 plants, won't matter until supply chains get fixed. 
    $.02
    slh
    Interesting. I’ve heard there were possible issues with pvc pellets being hard to get. Nice to hear it confirmed. But yeah, until another Apollo pops up, DMM seems to be the way. 
  • JBob87
    JBob87 Posts: 485
    Thank you for the update!

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