Police abuse

static111 said:

mace1229 said:

static111 said:

mace1229 said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help.  And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing.  What a sad country.  Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue

Anybody watch this video?

Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.

The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.

I don't know about this one...

According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others.  Also she is a kid.

Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?

A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see.  Hindsight is out the window.

Should the girl have been shot?  She was trying to knife someone else.  Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?

It's a lose lose here.

What would you have the cop do?

Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...

And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.

Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense?  It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this...
how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.

I don't know how much self defense it is. All the details haven't been released, but where did she get the knife? Does she illegally carry? Or what probably happened is she goes inside, gets a knife, and comes back out for another confrontation. At that point, its not self defense, the police have a right to intervene. 
I'm sure you'd be happy for the police if it was your daughter than was about 1/10 of a second away from being stabbed. 

I’m not gonna go Matt Gaetz here, but my step daughter is half black, and likely the police would never give her the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been co parenting her since she was three.  Do I need to start teaching her it isn’t ok to stick up for herself or call the cops if she is in trouble? Because that’s what it’s starting to look like. Unlike some armchair quarterbacks here this shit affects my house and family.  Last summer she asked my wife and I in tears if police would kill her biological dad.  Imagine having that conversation with an 8 year old.  She isn’t getting this from the media I assure you, we don’t own a TV.  Part of parenting has become having these conversations on the regular and it is exhausting.  

This isn’t some woke exercise based on a white old lady giving a corporate race training for some of us. It affects our families and close friends and loved ones.  

If you aren’t affected by any of this and it’s just a philosophical issue, the chances are you dont have black or minority friends and family and don’t belong to any of those groups.

So as a father to a Black girl I  am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.

Those like static are the people we need to listen to, speak with, and trust. I can’t possibly comment on his truth because it’s not my truth.  I did not face this challenge when raising my children so I cannot dismiss this, this is his families reality.  

static111 said:

mace1229 said:

static111 said:

mace1229 said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help.  And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing.  What a sad country.  Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue

Anybody watch this video?

Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.

The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.

I don't know about this one...

According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others.  Also she is a kid.

Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?

A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see.  Hindsight is out the window.

Should the girl have been shot?  She was trying to knife someone else.  Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?

It's a lose lose here.

What would you have the cop do?

Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...

And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.

Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense?  It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this...
how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.

I don't know how much self defense it is. All the details haven't been released, but where did she get the knife? Does she illegally carry? Or what probably happened is she goes inside, gets a knife, and comes back out for another confrontation. At that point, its not self defense, the police have a right to intervene. 
I'm sure you'd be happy for the police if it was your daughter than was about 1/10 of a second away from being stabbed. 

I’m not gonna go Matt Gaetz here, but my step daughter is half black, and likely the police would never give her the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been co parenting her since she was three.  Do I need to start teaching her it isn’t ok to stick up for herself or call the cops if she is in trouble? Because that’s what it’s starting to look like. Unlike some armchair quarterbacks here this shit affects my house and family.  Last summer she asked my wife and I in tears if police would kill her biological dad.  Imagine having that conversation with an 8 year old.  She isn’t getting this from the media I assure you, we don’t own a TV.  Part of parenting has become having these conversations on the regular and it is exhausting.  

This isn’t some woke exercise based on a white old lady giving a corporate race training for some of us. It affects our families and close friends and loved ones.  

If you aren’t affected by any of this and it’s just a philosophical issue, the chances are you dont have black or minority friends and family and don’t belong to any of those groups.

So as a father to a Black girl I  am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.

I can't imagine any cop of any colour would wait for any person of any colour to stab someone else to death before taking them down. 

I can't imagine having that conversation with my child. Heart breaking. 

static111 said:

Yeah it sucks and it is even worse for her and her biological dad’s side of the family.  I can’t even begin to imagine what all of this is like for them, all I can do is listen and understand.  I didn’t mean to really share my personal life too much, but sometimes it’s just too damn much.

personal perspectives are often what help people understand each other. 

static111 said:

cblock4life said:

static111 said:

mace1229 said:

static111 said:

mace1229 said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help.  And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing.  What a sad country.  Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue

Anybody watch this video?

Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.

The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.

I don't know about this one...

According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others.  Also she is a kid.

Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?

A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see.  Hindsight is out the window.

Should the girl have been shot?  She was trying to knife someone else.  Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?

It's a lose lose here.

What would you have the cop do?

Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...

And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.

Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense?  It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this...
how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.

I don't know how much self defense it is. All the details haven't been released, but where did she get the knife? Does she illegally carry? Or what probably happened is she goes inside, gets a knife, and comes back out for another confrontation. At that point, its not self defense, the police have a right to intervene. 
I'm sure you'd be happy for the police if it was your daughter than was about 1/10 of a second away from being stabbed. 

I’m not gonna go Matt Gaetz here, but my step daughter is half black, and likely the police would never give her the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been co parenting her since she was three.  Do I need to start teaching her it isn’t ok to stick up for herself or call the cops if she is in trouble? Because that’s what it’s starting to look like. Unlike some armchair quarterbacks here this shit affects my house and family.  Last summer she asked my wife and I in tears if police would kill her biological dad.  Imagine having that conversation with an 8 year old.  She isn’t getting this from the media I assure you, we don’t own a TV.  Part of parenting has become having these conversations on the regular and it is exhausting.  

This isn’t some woke exercise based on a white old lady giving a corporate race training for some of us. It affects our families and close friends and loved ones.  

If you aren’t affected by any of this and it’s just a philosophical issue, the chances are you dont have black or minority friends and family and don’t belong to any of those groups.

So as a father to a Black girl I  am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.

Those like static are the people we need to listen to, speak with, and trust. I can’t possibly comment on his truth because it’s not my truth.  I did not face this challenge when raising my children so I cannot dismiss this, this is his families reality.  

When those who truly know speak we should all listen. We can ask questions but in doing so we can’t deny the answers. 

I’m not saying anyone is doing that here
Just saying listen in order to better understand. 

Don’t listen to me, for the love of god listen to your Black friends, family and co-workers. 

I didn’t mean anything derogatory....but I still think you know better than most of us
Sooo sorry if I offended you, it was definitely not my intention

cblock4life said:

static111 said:

cblock4life said:

static111 said:

mace1229 said:

static111 said:

mace1229 said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help.  And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing.  What a sad country.  Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue

Anybody watch this video?

Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.

The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.

I don't know about this one...

According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others.  Also she is a kid.

Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?

A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see.  Hindsight is out the window.

Should the girl have been shot?  She was trying to knife someone else.  Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?

It's a lose lose here.

What would you have the cop do?

Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...

And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.

Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense?  It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this...
how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.

I don't know how much self defense it is. All the details haven't been released, but where did she get the knife? Does she illegally carry? Or what probably happened is she goes inside, gets a knife, and comes back out for another confrontation. At that point, its not self defense, the police have a right to intervene. 
I'm sure you'd be happy for the police if it was your daughter than was about 1/10 of a second away from being stabbed. 

I’m not gonna go Matt Gaetz here, but my step daughter is half black, and likely the police would never give her the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been co parenting her since she was three.  Do I need to start teaching her it isn’t ok to stick up for herself or call the cops if she is in trouble? Because that’s what it’s starting to look like. Unlike some armchair quarterbacks here this shit affects my house and family.  Last summer she asked my wife and I in tears if police would kill her biological dad.  Imagine having that conversation with an 8 year old.  She isn’t getting this from the media I assure you, we don’t own a TV.  Part of parenting has become having these conversations on the regular and it is exhausting.  

This isn’t some woke exercise based on a white old lady giving a corporate race training for some of us. It affects our families and close friends and loved ones.  

If you aren’t affected by any of this and it’s just a philosophical issue, the chances are you dont have black or minority friends and family and don’t belong to any of those groups.

So as a father to a Black girl I  am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.

Those like static are the people we need to listen to, speak with, and trust. I can’t possibly comment on his truth because it’s not my truth.  I did not face this challenge when raising my children so I cannot dismiss this, this is his families reality.  

When those who truly know speak we should all listen. We can ask questions but in doing so we can’t deny the answers. 

I’m not saying anyone is doing that here
Just saying listen in order to better understand. 

Don’t listen to me, for the love of god listen to your Black friends, family and co-workers. 

I didn’t mean anything derogatory....but I still think you know better than most of us
Sooo sorry if I offended you, it was definitely not my intention

I’m not offended at all. Just underlining the fact that it is way more important to listen to the Black loved ones in your life than some white dude on the PJ message boards.  I got your meaning and appreciate it, but the real understanding comes from talking to the people that are the most affected by the racism problem in our country and policing.  It usually means having very hard and awkward conversations, but helps come to a greater understanding.

static111 said:

cblock4life said:

static111 said:

cblock4life said:

static111 said:

mace1229 said:

static111 said:

mace1229 said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help.  And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing.  What a sad country.  Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue

Anybody watch this video?

Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.

The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.

I don't know about this one...

According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others.  Also she is a kid.

Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?

A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see.  Hindsight is out the window.

Should the girl have been shot?  She was trying to knife someone else.  Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?

It's a lose lose here.

What would you have the cop do?

Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...

And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.

Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense?  It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this...
how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.

I don't know how much self defense it is. All the details haven't been released, but where did she get the knife? Does she illegally carry? Or what probably happened is she goes inside, gets a knife, and comes back out for another confrontation. At that point, its not self defense, the police have a right to intervene. 
I'm sure you'd be happy for the police if it was your daughter than was about 1/10 of a second away from being stabbed. 

I’m not gonna go Matt Gaetz here, but my step daughter is half black, and likely the police would never give her the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been co parenting her since she was three.  Do I need to start teaching her it isn’t ok to stick up for herself or call the cops if she is in trouble? Because that’s what it’s starting to look like. Unlike some armchair quarterbacks here this shit affects my house and family.  Last summer she asked my wife and I in tears if police would kill her biological dad.  Imagine having that conversation with an 8 year old.  She isn’t getting this from the media I assure you, we don’t own a TV.  Part of parenting has become having these conversations on the regular and it is exhausting.  

This isn’t some woke exercise based on a white old lady giving a corporate race training for some of us. It affects our families and close friends and loved ones.  

If you aren’t affected by any of this and it’s just a philosophical issue, the chances are you dont have black or minority friends and family and don’t belong to any of those groups.

So as a father to a Black girl I  am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.

Those like static are the people we need to listen to, speak with, and trust. I can’t possibly comment on his truth because it’s not my truth.  I did not face this challenge when raising my children so I cannot dismiss this, this is his families reality.  

When those who truly know speak we should all listen. We can ask questions but in doing so we can’t deny the answers. 

I’m not saying anyone is doing that here
Just saying listen in order to better understand. 

Don’t listen to me, for the love of god listen to your Black friends, family and co-workers. 

I didn’t mean anything derogatory....but I still think you know better than most of us
Sooo sorry if I offended you, it was definitely not my intention

I’m not offended at all. Just underlining the fact that it is way more important to listen to the Black loved ones in your life than some white dude on the PJ message boards.  I got your meaning and appreciate it, but the real understanding comes from talking to the people that are the most affected by the racism problem in our country and policing.  It usually means having very hard and awkward conversations, but helps come to a greater understanding.

That’s why I posted 
“When those who truly know speak we should all listen.”  So I thought I wrote it to include many, many people 

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/virginia-man-isaiah-brown-shot-by-sheriffs-deputy-after-calling-911-for-help/2649178/

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/virginia-man-isaiah-brown-shot-by-sheriffs-deputy-after-calling-911-for-help/2649178/

"State police confirmed that they have body camera footage of the shooting but said they will not release it publicly."

This is unacceptable

wtf? isn't that the whole point of body cam footage?

HughFreakingDillon said:

CM189191 said:

static111 said:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/virginia-man-isaiah-brown-shot-by-sheriffs-deputy-after-calling-911-for-help/2649178/

"State police confirmed that they have body camera footage of the shooting but said they will not release it publicly."

This is unacceptable

wtf? isn't that the whole point of body cam footage?

I don't agree with always releasing the body cam right away. Actually, I think it should be delayed until after an investigation. If they don't decide to press charges, then release it to publicly show why. If they do decide to press charges, dont release it until after the trial. You want as impartial of a jury as you can get. The more video, the more media attention the more difficult that is, the more likely for appeals.

I think there were some big mistakes in the Chauvan trial. I never agreed with sequestering a jury before, but I think this one should have been. I will be surprised if he doesn't win an appeal and this is all repeated again.
A pig head and blood spread over the former house of a defense witness. Public comments by politicians and celebrities. The constant media coverage. I don't know how anyone couldn't agree that they likely were influenced or possibly intimidated. I know had I been a juror I would have feared for my family had I voted for anything less than murder. I will be surprised if he doesn't get an appeal and there is round 2. Emotions will probably be even higher next time if he's out on appeal. 
Thats why I dont think releasing body cam is a good idea until after a trial or charges are dropped. Keep it for the courtroom, release it when its done.