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I understand what you're saying. Put that incident inside a building or in the middle of the night on the side of the road and I agree, he never gets convicted. Body cam footage is a good start, but it will never be able to show all aspects of the encounter. Being able to see Chauvin's full actions (or lack there of) in association to the impact on Floyd is what makes the case for the charges he was convicted on. Sadly, the rookie officers don't want to break chain of command because it would be their word against a senior officer. Fucking military style officer in charge bullshit that has its pros, but also a lot of cons.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, but had that young woman not been filming with her cell phone and had all those eyewitnesses not borne witness, he would have gotten away with it and that police statement would be the "official" record. Think about that for a moment (I know you have). That's NK, putin on the ritz or Saddam type shit. In 'Murica.tbergs said:
But people are saying the same thing about the Ohio incident and it looks like the police will be justified. Turns out the initial statement about Floyd was lacking details. It should have been worded differently for sure, but it was never going to indicate an officer murdered a suspect in custody from the onset.Merkin Baller said:
That original police report about Floyd's death is so incredibly damning... no wonder it's being ignored as much as it is.static111 said:
Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense? It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this...mace1229 said:
And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.static111 said:
Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...tempo_n_groove said:
Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?static111 said:
According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others. Also she is a kid.tempo_n_groove said:
Anybody watch this video?static111 said:https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help. And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing. What a sad country. Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue
Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.
The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.
I don't know about this one...
A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see. Hindsight is out the window.
Should the girl have been shot? She was trying to knife someone else. Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?
It's a lose lose here.
What would you have the cop do?
how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.
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And considering a run for the senate.tbergs said:
Poster children for massive white privilege douchebags.Halifax2TheMax said:
Too late.OnWis97 said:
Pre-emptive self defense. Whatever claims he has to self-defense, I find the idea of people inserting themselves in situations like this and looking for an excuse to be very concerning. I hope it's not a going to be a trend (probably not; it's high risk).Merkin Baller said:
He was a minor, who illegally obtained a gun and carried it across state lines to cosplay as what? A murderous cop? And he wasn't just looking for trouble, he was answering a call.
Let's stop glossing over his criminality and lets also not pretend that there wasn't a ton of other likeminded red neck psychos there chomping at the bit to murder some BLM protesters.
Kyle Rittenhouse accomplished what he set out to, and to this day he's celebrated as a hero on the right - THAT is as big a problem as any in this country right now.
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sorry, I meant the ones that are reported in the media/social mediamace1229 said:
I like the way you phrased that.HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't think the default is to find a way to defend the cops. i think the default, at least for me, is to find the truth. in this instance, it looks to me like it was justified. most of them aren't. but this one was.static111 said:
Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense? It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this...mace1229 said:
And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.static111 said:
Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...tempo_n_groove said:
Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?static111 said:
According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others. Also she is a kid.tempo_n_groove said:
Anybody watch this video?static111 said:https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help. And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing. What a sad country. Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue
Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.
The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.
I don't know about this one...
A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see. Hindsight is out the window.
Should the girl have been shot? She was trying to knife someone else. Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?
It's a lose lose here.
What would you have the cop do?
how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.
you have a right to defend yourself but with reasonable force. it doesn't appear to me (at this point) that any of them had any weapons. it was unreasonable to just get all stabby.
especially when the cops arrived on scene.
But you also think the majority of police shootings aren't justified? We only hear of about 1 or 2% of police shootings partially because there was no question. The vast majority of police shootings are armed, and most are white. I would agree minorities are at a higher percentage than their population. But most shootings dont make the news and we don't know the victims because they were justified, or justified white males and pretty much zero chance you hear about it.
Stats differ drastically, but of the 1000 police shootings a year you usually see between 10-50 were unarmed. I just cant agree with a statement that most police shootings aren't justified.
That doesn't mean they all are, or that they cant do better.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
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he said there would be celebrations in the form of riots. you claimed some here would be rooting for that to happen.Halifax2TheMax said:
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.mace1229 said:
two completely different things, and in my eyes, absurd.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I’m not gonna go Matt Gaetz here, but my step daughter is half black, and likely the police would never give her the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been co parenting her since she was three. Do I need to start teaching her it isn’t ok to stick up for herself or call the cops if she is in trouble? Because that’s what it’s starting to look like. Unlike some armchair quarterbacks here this shit affects my house and family. Last summer she asked my wife and I in tears if police would kill her biological dad. Imagine having that conversation with an 8 year old. She isn’t getting this from the media I assure you, we don’t own a TV. Part of parenting has become having these conversations on the regular and it is exhausting.mace1229 said:
I don't know how much self defense it is. All the details haven't been released, but where did she get the knife? Does she illegally carry? Or what probably happened is she goes inside, gets a knife, and comes back out for another confrontation. At that point, its not self defense, the police have a right to intervene.static111 said:
Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense? It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this...mace1229 said:
And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.static111 said:
Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...tempo_n_groove said:
Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?static111 said:
According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others. Also she is a kid.tempo_n_groove said:
Anybody watch this video?static111 said:https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help. And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing. What a sad country. Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue
Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.
The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.
I don't know about this one...
A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see. Hindsight is out the window.
Should the girl have been shot? She was trying to knife someone else. Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?
It's a lose lose here.
What would you have the cop do?
how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.
I'm sure you'd be happy for the police if it was your daughter than was about 1/10 of a second away from being stabbed.This isn’t some woke exercise based on a white old lady giving a corporate race training for some of us. It affects our families and close friends and loved ones.If you aren’t affected by any of this and it’s just a philosophical issue, the chances are you dont have black or minority friends and family and don’t belong to any of those groups.
So as a father to a Black girl I am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.Post edited by static111 onScio me nihil scire
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Let Mace speak for himself. He's capable. I'm really interested in why he'd posit such a thing and make the references he did. What do you think he meant by the post? Thoughts? How did you take it?HughFreakingDillon said:
he said there would be celebrations in the form of riots. you claimed some here would be rooting for that to happen.Halifax2TheMax said:
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.mace1229 said:
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I haven't denied saying it. Even admitted i did and said I was wrong. So what is the point you're trying to make?Halifax2TheMax said:
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.mace1229 said:
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i know he is. i'll speak my mind as i see fit, thanks.Halifax2TheMax said:
Let Mace speak for himself. He's capable. I'm really interested in why he'd posit such a thing and make the references he did. What do you think he meant by the post? Thoughts? How did you take it?HughFreakingDillon said:
he said there would be celebrations in the form of riots. you claimed some here would be rooting for that to happen.Halifax2TheMax said:
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.mace1229 said:
two completely different things, and in my eyes, absurd.
kind of odd how you tell me to let mace speak for himself, then ask me for my opinion right after. an opinion i already gave.
i took it at face value. that he thought there might be rioting no matter what. i disagreed with him at the time. but i don't think he was "hoping" for such a thing, as I already clearly stated.Post edited by HughFreakingDillon onBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I’d like to understand why you chose that city, that sport and that time to posit such a thought. You only said “I’m glad it didn’t happen “ after it was referenced.mace1229 said:
I haven't denied saying it. Even admitted i did and said I was wrong. So what is the point you're trying to make?Halifax2TheMax said:
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.mace1229 said:I never said you “denied” saying it so I’m not sure why you feel the need to state such.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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i know he is. i'll speak my mind as i see fit, thanks.Halifax2TheMax said:
Let Mace speak for himself. He's capable. I'm really interested in why he'd posit such a thing and make the references he did. What do you think he meant by the post? Thoughts? How did you take it?HughFreakingDillon said:
he said there would be celebrations in the form of riots. you claimed some here would be rooting for that to happen.Halifax2TheMax said:
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.mace1229 said:
two completely different things, and in my eyes, absurd.
kind of odd how you tell me to let mace speak for himself, then ask me for my opinion right after. an opinion i already gave.
i took it at face value. that he thought there might be rioting no matter what. i disagreed with him at the time. but i don't think he was "hoping" for such a thing, as I already clearly stated.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Well providing proof that I said it infers that you thought I denied it. I'm not going ot go out of my way to prove something there isn't any doubt over.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d like to understand why you chose that city, that sport and that time to posit such a thought. You only said “I’m glad it didn’t happen “ after it was referenced.mace1229 said:
I haven't denied saying it. Even admitted i did and said I was wrong. So what is the point you're trying to make?Halifax2TheMax said:
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.mace1229 said:I never said you “denied” saying it so I’m not sure why you feel the need to state such.
I am capable of answering for myself. I would think since you're capable of looking for old quotes in other threads that youd be capable of reading my answer I already provided there as well.
I said I don't believe those who were just straight up looting had any desire to promote a cause, but wanted to take advantage of the situation for free stuff. I thought those same people might take advantage yesterday to do the same again, I was wrong.
I picked the Lakers and LA because I lived in LA until I was 30, and more than one time when they one the championship riots broke out, cars were flipped over and burned. It was an example I was familiar with.
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No, someone else claimed "they don't read everything on AMT," hence why I quoted it. I know you're capable of answering for yourself hence why I asked Hugh to allow you to do so but I was also interested in his, Hugh's, thoughts on your post. God forbid. To the bold, not sure what you mean there. I saw your post, it was referenced, you said "I'm glad it didn't happen," but that didn't explain your motive behind the post.mace1229 said:
Well providing proof that I said it infers that you thought I denied it. I'm not going ot go out of my way to prove something there isn't any doubt over.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d like to understand why you chose that city, that sport and that time to posit such a thought. You only said “I’m glad it didn’t happen “ after it was referenced.mace1229 said:
I haven't denied saying it. Even admitted i did and said I was wrong. So what is the point you're trying to make?Halifax2TheMax said:
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.mace1229 said:I never said you “denied” saying it so I’m not sure why you feel the need to state such.
I am capable of answering for myself. I would think since you're capable of looking for old quotes in other threads that youd be capable of reading my answer I already provided there as well.
I said I don't believe those who were just straight up looting had any desire to promote a cause, but wanted to take advantage of the situation for free stuff. I thought those same people might take advantage yesterday to do the same again, I was wrong.
I picked the Lakers and LA because I lived in LA until I was 30, and more than one time when they one the championship riots broke out, cars were flipped over and burned. It was an example I was familiar with.
Do you equate riots over Laker victories (two a decade apart) with riots over white police officers killing unarmed black men (too many to count in the same decade)? Are those two instances the same because they're "riots?" Can you give an example of a conviction or justice served and the aggrieved/supporters on the side of the conviction breaking out in riots?
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Does everyone have a motive every time they post? I was just sharing a thought.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, someone else claimed "they don't read everything on AMT," hence why I quoted it. I know you're capable of answering for yourself hence why I asked Hugh to allow you to do so but I was also interested in his, Hugh's, thoughts on your post. God forbid. To the bold, not sure what you mean there. I saw your post, it was referenced, you said "I'm glad it didn't happen," but that didn't explain your motive behind the post.mace1229 said:
Well providing proof that I said it infers that you thought I denied it. I'm not going ot go out of my way to prove something there isn't any doubt over.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d like to understand why you chose that city, that sport and that time to posit such a thought. You only said “I’m glad it didn’t happen “ after it was referenced.mace1229 said:
I haven't denied saying it. Even admitted i did and said I was wrong. So what is the point you're trying to make?Halifax2TheMax said:
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.mace1229 said:I never said you “denied” saying it so I’m not sure why you feel the need to state such.
I am capable of answering for myself. I would think since you're capable of looking for old quotes in other threads that youd be capable of reading my answer I already provided there as well.
I said I don't believe those who were just straight up looting had any desire to promote a cause, but wanted to take advantage of the situation for free stuff. I thought those same people might take advantage yesterday to do the same again, I was wrong.
I picked the Lakers and LA because I lived in LA until I was 30, and more than one time when they one the championship riots broke out, cars were flipped over and burned. It was an example I was familiar with.
Do you equate riots over Laker victories (two a decade apart) with riots over white police officers killing unarmed black men (too many to count in the same decade)? Are those two instances the same because they're "riots?" Can you give an example of a conviction or justice served and the aggrieved/supporters on the side of the conviction breaking out in riots?
I'm still struggling with your post and the analogy you made and what motivated you to posit such a thing. But that's just me.
Almost none of the violence and destruction this summer made sense to me. They burned down the Wendy's that Rayshard Brooks was found passed out at, as if it was Wendy's fault. They targeted the store Michael Brown stole from. People looting the Nike store in Long beach over the George Floyd protest made no sense to me. I already said twice that those just looting were not supporting a cause, but just had an excuse to steal. I would not have been surprised if those same people with that same mentality used yesterday as another excuse to steal again. I'm glad I was wrong.
I would say that riots over Laker victories are just as stupid and pointless as people looting a Nike store in the name of justice. There's no logic in that. Its an excuser to be destructive and steal.
Those looting are just a small percentage of protestors and I don't lump them all together. So I wouldn't compare a peaceful protest to a Laker riot. But Those who took to looting were just taking advantage of the situation to benefit themselves because they knew there was no accountability. They are as stupid as those the example I gave. I'm not sure why you are offended over me calling out people who riot over a basketball game. There was no hidden meaning in it, I lived there and it was an example I knew.
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Sharing thoughts provokes responses. Does that bother you?mace1229 said:
Does everyone have a motive every time they post? I was just sharing a thought.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, someone else claimed "they don't read everything on AMT," hence why I quoted it. I know you're capable of answering for yourself hence why I asked Hugh to allow you to do so but I was also interested in his, Hugh's, thoughts on your post. God forbid. To the bold, not sure what you mean there. I saw your post, it was referenced, you said "I'm glad it didn't happen," but that didn't explain your motive behind the post.mace1229 said:
Well providing proof that I said it infers that you thought I denied it. I'm not going ot go out of my way to prove something there isn't any doubt over.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d like to understand why you chose that city, that sport and that time to posit such a thought. You only said “I’m glad it didn’t happen “ after it was referenced.mace1229 said:
I haven't denied saying it. Even admitted i did and said I was wrong. So what is the point you're trying to make?Halifax2TheMax said:
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.mace1229 said:I never said you “denied” saying it so I’m not sure why you feel the need to state such.
I am capable of answering for myself. I would think since you're capable of looking for old quotes in other threads that youd be capable of reading my answer I already provided there as well.
I said I don't believe those who were just straight up looting had any desire to promote a cause, but wanted to take advantage of the situation for free stuff. I thought those same people might take advantage yesterday to do the same again, I was wrong.
I picked the Lakers and LA because I lived in LA until I was 30, and more than one time when they one the championship riots broke out, cars were flipped over and burned. It was an example I was familiar with.
Do you equate riots over Laker victories (two a decade apart) with riots over white police officers killing unarmed black men (too many to count in the same decade)? Are those two instances the same because they're "riots?" Can you give an example of a conviction or justice served and the aggrieved/supporters on the side of the conviction breaking out in riots?
I'm still struggling with your post and the analogy you made and what motivated you to posit such a thing. But that's just me.
Almost none of the violence and destruction this summer made sense to me. They burned down the Wendy's that Rayshard Brooks was found passed out at, as if it was Wendy's fault. They targeted the store Michael Brown stole from. People looting the Nike store in Long beach over the George Floyd protest made no sense to me. I already said twice that those just looting were not supporting a cause, but just had an excuse to steal. I would not have been surprised if those same people with that same mentality used yesterday as another excuse to steal again. I'm glad I was wrong.
I would say that riots over Laker victories are just as stupid and pointless as people looting a Nike store in the name of justice. There's no logic in that. Its an excuser to be destructive and steal.
Those looting are just a small percentage of protestors and I don't lump them all together. So I wouldn't compare a peaceful protest to a Laker riot. But Those who took to looting were just taking advantage of the situation to benefit themselves because they knew there was no accountability. They are as stupid as those the example I gave. I'm not sure why you are offended over me calling out people who riot over a basketball game. There was no hidden meaning in it, I lived there and it was an example I knew.
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No.Halifax2TheMax said:
Sharing thoughts provokes responses. Does that bother you?mace1229 said:
Does everyone have a motive every time they post? I was just sharing a thought.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, someone else claimed "they don't read everything on AMT," hence why I quoted it. I know you're capable of answering for yourself hence why I asked Hugh to allow you to do so but I was also interested in his, Hugh's, thoughts on your post. God forbid. To the bold, not sure what you mean there. I saw your post, it was referenced, you said "I'm glad it didn't happen," but that didn't explain your motive behind the post.mace1229 said:
Well providing proof that I said it infers that you thought I denied it. I'm not going ot go out of my way to prove something there isn't any doubt over.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’d like to understand why you chose that city, that sport and that time to posit such a thought. You only said “I’m glad it didn’t happen “ after it was referenced.mace1229 said:
I haven't denied saying it. Even admitted i did and said I was wrong. So what is the point you're trying to make?Halifax2TheMax said:
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.mace1229 said:I never said you “denied” saying it so I’m not sure why you feel the need to state such.
I am capable of answering for myself. I would think since you're capable of looking for old quotes in other threads that youd be capable of reading my answer I already provided there as well.
I said I don't believe those who were just straight up looting had any desire to promote a cause, but wanted to take advantage of the situation for free stuff. I thought those same people might take advantage yesterday to do the same again, I was wrong.
I picked the Lakers and LA because I lived in LA until I was 30, and more than one time when they one the championship riots broke out, cars were flipped over and burned. It was an example I was familiar with.
Do you equate riots over Laker victories (two a decade apart) with riots over white police officers killing unarmed black men (too many to count in the same decade)? Are those two instances the same because they're "riots?" Can you give an example of a conviction or justice served and the aggrieved/supporters on the side of the conviction breaking out in riots?
I'm still struggling with your post and the analogy you made and what motivated you to posit such a thing. But that's just me.
Almost none of the violence and destruction this summer made sense to me. They burned down the Wendy's that Rayshard Brooks was found passed out at, as if it was Wendy's fault. They targeted the store Michael Brown stole from. People looting the Nike store in Long beach over the George Floyd protest made no sense to me. I already said twice that those just looting were not supporting a cause, but just had an excuse to steal. I would not have been surprised if those same people with that same mentality used yesterday as another excuse to steal again. I'm glad I was wrong.
I would say that riots over Laker victories are just as stupid and pointless as people looting a Nike store in the name of justice. There's no logic in that. Its an excuser to be destructive and steal.
Those looting are just a small percentage of protestors and I don't lump them all together. So I wouldn't compare a peaceful protest to a Laker riot. But Those who took to looting were just taking advantage of the situation to benefit themselves because they knew there was no accountability. They are as stupid as those the example I gave. I'm not sure why you are offended over me calling out people who riot over a basketball game. There was no hidden meaning in it, I lived there and it was an example I knew.0
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