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Yea, no issue. Race doesn't play into it. At fucking all. Just mistakes.
Over the past five years there has been no reduction in the racial disparity in fatal police shooting victims despite increased use of body cameras and closer media scrutiny, according to a new report by researchers at Yale and the University of Pennsylvania.
Using information from a national database compiled and maintained by The Washington Post, researchers found that victims identifying as Black, Indigenous, or People of Color (BIPOC), whether armed or unarmed, had significantly higher death rates compared with whites. And those numbers remained relatively unchanged from 2015 to May 2020. The report appears in the Oct. 27 edition of the Journal of Epidemiology and Public Health.
While the data are already publicly available, the researchers decided to enter it into the scientific literature and present it using methods that are accepted by science as rigorous and robust. It’s critical, said author Dowin Boatright, assistant professor of emergency medicine at Yale, that fatal police shootings of BIPOC are recognized and treated as a public health emergency.
In an analysis of 4,653 fatal shootings for which information about both race and age were available, the researchers found a small but statistically significant decline in white deaths (about 1%) but no significant change in deaths for BIPOC. There were 5,367 fatal police shootings during that five-year period, according to the Post’s database. In the case of armed victims, Native Americans were killed by police at a rate three times that of white people (77 total killed). Black people were killed at 2.6 times the rate of white people (1,265 total killed); and Hispanics were killed at nearly 1.3 times the rate of white people (889 total killed). Among unarmed victims, Black people were killed at three times the rate (218 total killed), and Hispanics at 1.45 times the rate of white people (146 total killed).
“Those killed by police on average are young people — the average age for all victims is 34,” Boatright said. “For Black people, the average age is 30.” For Hispanics killed, the average age is 33; for Native Americans, 31; and for white people, 38.
Racial disparity in police shootings unchanged over 5 years | YaleNews
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No, I don't.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you not think that every time a black person leaves their home, they wonder if they'll come home alive?Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Is that not true? Are you that fucking blind? To inherent, systemic racism through all levels of ‘Murican society? From birth to death, no less.Ledbetterman10 said:
That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.static111 said:
Literally no one has said that around here. What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters. People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing. Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...Ledbetterman10 said:
I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops? I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away.CM189191 said:
Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!
I own a gun and like blunts. Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?
The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me. Pulled over in MN for an air freshener. One of those stupid little pine trees.
I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis. I got my car washed in Iowa. They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws. I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.
Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around. He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me. Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up.
I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time. Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional. So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.
It was never about the air freshener. It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.
Is it true that black people are, as James says here, "literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes!"? No, it's not.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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If you want the truth then you need to speak with an array of black people (not LeBron James). Not all feel like they’re “hunted” but they do know they’re treated differently (just like women). Black people teach their children to be aware at all times and they hear it from the time they’re little. They’re probably scared to death and full of hate towards all cops. One good cop will not erase a lifetime of racism, discrimination, or simply being taught their “true” history. What should black parents do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you not think that every time a black person leaves their home, they wonder if they'll come home alive? Do you worry about that yourself? Probably not because I assume that you're white. That's what white privilege is.Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Is that not true? Are you that fucking blind? To inherent, systemic racism through all levels of ‘Murican society? From birth to death, no less.Ledbetterman10 said:
That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.static111 said:
Literally no one has said that around here. What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters. People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing. Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...Ledbetterman10 said:
I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops? I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away.CM189191 said:
Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!
I own a gun and like blunts. Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?
The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me. Pulled over in MN for an air freshener. One of those stupid little pine trees.
I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis. I got my car washed in Iowa. They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws. I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.
Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around. He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me. Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up.
I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time. Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional. So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.
It was never about the air freshener. It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.
Is it true that black people are, as James says here, "literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes!"? No, it's not.
Y'all acting like this is just one instance and want to isolate it as such, to make it seem that its not "systemic" or a "problem." If they had only complied. Fucking George Floyd complied and was murdered. Breonna Taylor was sleeping in her bed. Ahmaud Arbery was out for a jog. James Byrd was walking home. In 1998. Not all killed by cops but if nobody noticed, would there have been consequences?
And y'all should go back to page 1 of this thread and read forward. One of the OP's outrages had to do with someone who was beaten to death by cops (not arguing it was okay). He had somewhere around 96 previous run ins with law enforcement. And he was white. 96 > 2. Can't even go to church without looking over their shoulder. Hunted? Seems like it.So, again a one year old black child with no father. It’s an ugly vicious circle and if you believe this child will grow up loving and respecting cops it’s not going to happen. Talk to black convicts and they unanimously admit that their upbringing totally affected the rest of their lives (see they don’t blame whites for everything). In order to change our opinions we need to look at all factors not just the ones we understand or agree with.0 -
See, here's how it really is. Not hyperbolic bullshit that "every time a black person leaves their home, they wonder if they'll come home alive."cblock4life said:
If you want the truth then you need to speak with an array of black people (not LeBron James). Not all feel like they’re “hunted” but they do know they’re treated differently (just like women). Black people teach their children to be aware at all times and they hear it from the time they’re little. They’re probably scared to death and full of hate towards all cops. One good cop will not erase a lifetime of racism, discrimination, or simply being taught their “true” history. What should black parents do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you not think that every time a black person leaves their home, they wonder if they'll come home alive? Do you worry about that yourself? Probably not because I assume that you're white. That's what white privilege is.Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Is that not true? Are you that fucking blind? To inherent, systemic racism through all levels of ‘Murican society? From birth to death, no less.Ledbetterman10 said:
That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.static111 said:
Literally no one has said that around here. What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters. People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing. Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...Ledbetterman10 said:
I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops? I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away.CM189191 said:
Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!
I own a gun and like blunts. Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?
The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me. Pulled over in MN for an air freshener. One of those stupid little pine trees.
I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis. I got my car washed in Iowa. They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws. I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.
Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around. He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me. Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up.
I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time. Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional. So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.
It was never about the air freshener. It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.
Is it true that black people are, as James says here, "literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes!"? No, it's not.
Y'all acting like this is just one instance and want to isolate it as such, to make it seem that its not "systemic" or a "problem." If they had only complied. Fucking George Floyd complied and was murdered. Breonna Taylor was sleeping in her bed. Ahmaud Arbery was out for a jog. James Byrd was walking home. In 1998. Not all killed by cops but if nobody noticed, would there have been consequences?
And y'all should go back to page 1 of this thread and read forward. One of the OP's outrages had to do with someone who was beaten to death by cops (not arguing it was okay). He had somewhere around 96 previous run ins with law enforcement. And he was white. 96 > 2. Can't even go to church without looking over their shoulder. Hunted? Seems like it.So, again a one year old black child with no father. It’s an ugly vicious circle and if you believe this child will grow up loving and respecting cops it’s not going to happen. Talk to black convicts and they unanimously admit that their upbringing totally affected the rest of their lives (see they don’t blame whites for everything). In order to change our opinions we need to look at all factors not just the ones we understand or agree with.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Besides the young man (I’m sorry I don’t remember his name) who was black, autistic and killed walking home from the store with a face mask because he was cold and looked so “suspicious”, this may have been the most recent racial profiling....black man, new expensive SUV, had to be a criminal huh? As for not pulling over till the area was lit, women are told to do this all the time. Maybe it’s time for all black males to receive the same option?static111 said:So how do we all feel about this one? Should have complied? Or maybe the lieutenant was hiding something? Nothing to see here folks just good ol non biased policing.
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Elijah McClain in Colorado. He used to go to the local animal shelter and play violin for cats. I'm not positive if he was autistic, but as the police smothered him, he did yell out things like "I'm an introvert" and "I'm different." The worst and most unjustified police killing I've seen.cblock4life said:
Besides the young man (I’m sorry I don’t remember his name) who was black, autistic and killed walking home from the store with a face mask because he was cold and looked so “suspicious”, this may have been the most recent racial profiling....black man, new expensive SUV, had to be a criminal huh? As for not pulling over till the area was lit, women are told to do this all the time. Maybe it’s time for all black males to receive the same option?static111 said:So how do we all feel about this one? Should have complied? Or maybe the lieutenant was hiding something? Nothing to see here folks just good ol non biased policing.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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I would completely agree. I will also add that does not mean there are not bad cops, that things aren't bad, that there isn't profiling or stereotyping going on. And I think its dangerous to keep playing that narrative. I remember when Rayshard Brooks was killed the coverage of it was ridiculous. I think it was CNN that had a guest on that said Rayshard fought back and used the taser because he knew if he got into that cop car they would take him out and murder him. So he did the only thing he could do and was right to do it. Then the TV anchor agreed with the guest! That level of hate is dangerous, and is going ot get more young black people killed when they keep being told cops are out there to murder them, so fight back.Ledbetterman10 said:
No, I don't.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you not think that every time a black person leaves their home, they wonder if they'll come home alive?Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Is that not true? Are you that fucking blind? To inherent, systemic racism through all levels of ‘Murican society? From birth to death, no less.Ledbetterman10 said:
That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.static111 said:
Literally no one has said that around here. What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters. People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing. Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...Ledbetterman10 said:
I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops? I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away.CM189191 said:
Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!
I own a gun and like blunts. Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?
The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me. Pulled over in MN for an air freshener. One of those stupid little pine trees.
I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis. I got my car washed in Iowa. They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws. I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.
Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around. He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me. Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up.
I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time. Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional. So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.
It was never about the air freshener. It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.
Is it true that black people are, as James says here, "literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes!"? No, it's not.
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I’m not a cop but I certainly can tell the difference when holding them.gimmesometruth27 said:
when you hold a taser out in front of you and a gun out in front of you, when you aim down the sight, they both look different, right? the handles feel different in your hands, right? i mean, come on. that explanation is laughable.HughFreakingDillon said:
lol, yeah, that explanation isn't believable in the least (to me, anyway).gimmesometruth27 said:i don't know about you all, but when i eat soup i routinely accidently grab a fork instead of a spoon.0 -
I checked myself and he was autistic (please know I’m not saying I told you so). I just wanted to say I totally agree with you.Ledbetterman10 said:
Elijah McClain in Colorado. He used to go to the local animal shelter and play violin for cats. I'm not positive if he was autistic, but as the police smothered him, he did yell out things like "I'm an introvert" and "I'm different." The worst and most unjustified police killing I've seen.cblock4life said:
Besides the young man (I’m sorry I don’t remember his name) who was black, autistic and killed walking home from the store with a face mask because he was cold and looked so “suspicious”, this may have been the most recent racial profiling....black man, new expensive SUV, had to be a criminal huh? As for not pulling over till the area was lit, women are told to do this all the time. Maybe it’s time for all black males to receive the same option?static111 said:So how do we all feel about this one? Should have complied? Or maybe the lieutenant was hiding something? Nothing to see here folks just good ol non biased policing.0 -
I could think of a cruder analogy, but I won’t let it slip.gimmesometruth27 said:
that said, my forks and spoons feel the same, hahagimmesometruth27 said:
when you hold a taser out in front of you and a gun out in front of you, when you aim down the sight, they both look different, right? the handles feel different in your hands, right? i mean, come on. that explanation is laughable.HughFreakingDillon said:
lol, yeah, that explanation isn't believable in the least (to me, anyway).gimmesometruth27 said:i don't know about you all, but when i eat soup i routinely accidently grab a fork instead of a spoon.I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
Not all young black men are told to fight back (there’s no way for you to know that they are all told that). Many are told to comply....I’ll say it again, speak with a variety of blacks before making that assumption.mace1229 said:
I would completely agree. I will also add that does not mean there are not bad cops, that things aren't bad, that there isn't profiling or stereotyping going on. And I think its dangerous to keep playing that narrative. I remember when Rayshard Brooks was killed the coverage of it was ridiculous. I think it was CNN that had a guest on that said Rayshard fought back and used the taser because he knew if he got into that cop car they would take him out and murder him. So he did the only thing he could do and was right to do it. Then the TV anchor agreed with the guest! That level of hate is dangerous, and is going ot get more young black people killed when they keep being told cops are out there to murder them, so fight back.Ledbetterman10 said:
No, I don't.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you not think that every time a black person leaves their home, they wonder if they'll come home alive?Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Is that not true? Are you that fucking blind? To inherent, systemic racism through all levels of ‘Murican society? From birth to death, no less.Ledbetterman10 said:
That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.static111 said:
Literally no one has said that around here. What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters. People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing. Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...Ledbetterman10 said:
I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops? I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away.CM189191 said:
Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!
I own a gun and like blunts. Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?
The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me. Pulled over in MN for an air freshener. One of those stupid little pine trees.
I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis. I got my car washed in Iowa. They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws. I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.
Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around. He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me. Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up.
I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time. Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional. So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.
It was never about the air freshener. It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.
Is it true that black people are, as James says here, "literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes!"? No, it's not.Post edited by cblock4life on0 -
Why do black parents teach their children how to behave outside the home, particularly around law enforcement encounters? "Hyperbolic bullshit."Ledbetterman10 said:
See, here's how it really is. Not hyperbolic bullshit that "every time a black person leaves their home, they wonder if they'll come home alive."cblock4life said:
If you want the truth then you need to speak with an array of black people (not LeBron James). Not all feel like they’re “hunted” but they do know they’re treated differently (just like women). Black people teach their children to be aware at all times and they hear it from the time they’re little. They’re probably scared to death and full of hate towards all cops. One good cop will not erase a lifetime of racism, discrimination, or simply being taught their “true” history. What should black parents do?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you not think that every time a black person leaves their home, they wonder if they'll come home alive? Do you worry about that yourself? Probably not because I assume that you're white. That's what white privilege is.Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Is that not true? Are you that fucking blind? To inherent, systemic racism through all levels of ‘Murican society? From birth to death, no less.Ledbetterman10 said:
That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.static111 said:
Literally no one has said that around here. What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters. People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing. Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...Ledbetterman10 said:
I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops? I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away.CM189191 said:
Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!
I own a gun and like blunts. Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?
The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me. Pulled over in MN for an air freshener. One of those stupid little pine trees.
I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis. I got my car washed in Iowa. They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws. I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.
Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around. He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me. Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up.
I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time. Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional. So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.
It was never about the air freshener. It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.
Is it true that black people are, as James says here, "literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes!"? No, it's not.
Y'all acting like this is just one instance and want to isolate it as such, to make it seem that its not "systemic" or a "problem." If they had only complied. Fucking George Floyd complied and was murdered. Breonna Taylor was sleeping in her bed. Ahmaud Arbery was out for a jog. James Byrd was walking home. In 1998. Not all killed by cops but if nobody noticed, would there have been consequences?
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Is every cop a racist asshole?cblock4life said:
They’re resigning to try to save their retirement. Just like Chauvin got a divorce and she got most of the money to protect it and how they make sure he’s wearing an extra baggy suit (poor officer lost so much weight). Please people don’t be delusional. These are scum moves by scum people. Don’t for once think that what they are doing is for any other reason than saving their own interests. Whites have been hanging, burning, shooting whites for centuries and some of you think it’s all the black folks fault. Officers are taught and told they’re entitled to act like assholes.Bentleyspop said:And now the police officer has resigned.
Not every driver is drunk. But the drunk ones make it more dangerous and we have to be leery of them and on guard in all situations. Blacks have to approach cops that way.
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Yeah I just wasn't positive on that. But he was obviously very high-functioning being able to play multiple musical instruments, and being a massage therapist for four years. Just very sad. He was totally racially profiled for being a black kid in a ski mask (which he had to wear due to his sickle-cell trait and the elevation of where he lived in Colorado), and unnecessarily injected with ketamine during the restraint.cblock4life said:
I checked myself and he was autistic (please know I’m not saying I told you so). I just wanted to say I totally agree with you.Ledbetterman10 said:
Elijah McClain in Colorado. He used to go to the local animal shelter and play violin for cats. I'm not positive if he was autistic, but as the police smothered him, he did yell out things like "I'm an introvert" and "I'm different." The worst and most unjustified police killing I've seen.cblock4life said:
Besides the young man (I’m sorry I don’t remember his name) who was black, autistic and killed walking home from the store with a face mask because he was cold and looked so “suspicious”, this may have been the most recent racial profiling....black man, new expensive SUV, had to be a criminal huh? As for not pulling over till the area was lit, women are told to do this all the time. Maybe it’s time for all black males to receive the same option?static111 said:So how do we all feel about this one? Should have complied? Or maybe the lieutenant was hiding something? Nothing to see here folks just good ol non biased policing.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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but....didn't you say a few posts back that all cops are taught to be aggressive assholes based on a few family members' assertions?cblock4life said:
Not all young black men are told to fight back (there’s no way for you to know that they are all told that). Many are told to comply....I’ll say it again, speak with a variety of blacks before making that assumption.mace1229 said:
I would completely agree. I will also add that does not mean there are not bad cops, that things aren't bad, that there isn't profiling or stereotyping going on. And I think its dangerous to keep playing that narrative. I remember when Rayshard Brooks was killed the coverage of it was ridiculous. I think it was CNN that had a guest on that said Rayshard fought back and used the taser because he knew if he got into that cop car they would take him out and murder him. So he did the only thing he could do and was right to do it. Then the TV anchor agreed with the guest! That level of hate is dangerous, and is going ot get more young black people killed when they keep being told cops are out there to murder them, so fight back.Ledbetterman10 said:
No, I don't.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you not think that every time a black person leaves their home, they wonder if they'll come home alive?Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Is that not true? Are you that fucking blind? To inherent, systemic racism through all levels of ‘Murican society? From birth to death, no less.Ledbetterman10 said:
That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.static111 said:
Literally no one has said that around here. What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters. People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing. Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...Ledbetterman10 said:
I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops? I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away.CM189191 said:
Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!
I own a gun and like blunts. Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?
The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me. Pulled over in MN for an air freshener. One of those stupid little pine trees.
I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis. I got my car washed in Iowa. They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws. I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.
Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around. He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me. Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up.
I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time. Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional. So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.
It was never about the air freshener. It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.
Is it true that black people are, as James says here, "literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes!"? No, it's not.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
cblock4life said:Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
That's my response to the "he's no angel" crap. If we let black suspects just be killed by the cops, eventually, that will spread to white people (well, in theory it could).Are you really going to bring up George Floyd allegedly* trying to pass of a fake $20 bill and some sort of justification? Hell, anyone could unwittingly get their hands on a fake 20 and try to spend it unaware.*yeah; allegedly. That's why we have a courts system. It's amazing to me that people think it's OK if someone's background test isn't impeccable that the cops shoot him.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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You've never spent 5 minutes looking for your sunglasses or keys, only to see them in your hand? You couldn't feel them there? When this whole situation lasted about 5 seconds, I don't understand why so many think it is unbelievable, that this is a cover up. When you're adrenaline is pumping and youre in the mement, its believable this would happen in a span of 5 seconds. Like I said, have you never looked for glasses that were in your hand for a few minutes?gimmesometruth27 said:
when you hold a taser out in front of you and a gun out in front of you, when you aim down the sight, they both look different, right? the handles feel different in your hands, right? i mean, come on. that explanation is laughable.HughFreakingDillon said:
lol, yeah, that explanation isn't believable in the least (to me, anyway).gimmesometruth27 said:i don't know about you all, but when i eat soup i routinely accidently grab a fork instead of a spoon.
That doesn't excuse the officer, that doesn't make it ok. I'm not sure what the proper punishment would be, but there should be one. It just means this isn't a cover up, that she didnt plan to shoot some guy just because he was black and have a back story ready to go. It means sh emessed up and someone was killed as a result. What crime that equates to I don't know.
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You're right, I don't know what the families are teaching their kids. But I do know that a common message I see on the media is if you're black, the police are there to murder you. I wasn't referencing what is taught within the family, I was referencing how the media and celebrities react. And that message is its open season.cblock4life said:
Not all young black men are told to fight back (there’s no way for you to know that they are all told that). Many are told to comply....I’ll say it again, speak with a variety of blacks before making that assumption.mace1229 said:
I would completely agree. I will also add that does not mean there are not bad cops, that things aren't bad, that there isn't profiling or stereotyping going on. And I think its dangerous to keep playing that narrative. I remember when Rayshard Brooks was killed the coverage of it was ridiculous. I think it was CNN that had a guest on that said Rayshard fought back and used the taser because he knew if he got into that cop car they would take him out and murder him. So he did the only thing he could do and was right to do it. Then the TV anchor agreed with the guest! That level of hate is dangerous, and is going ot get more young black people killed when they keep being told cops are out there to murder them, so fight back.Ledbetterman10 said:
No, I don't.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you not think that every time a black person leaves their home, they wonder if they'll come home alive?Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Is that not true? Are you that fucking blind? To inherent, systemic racism through all levels of ‘Murican society? From birth to death, no less.Ledbetterman10 said:
That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.static111 said:
Literally no one has said that around here. What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters. People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing. Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...Ledbetterman10 said:
I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops? I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away.CM189191 said:
Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!
I own a gun and like blunts. Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?
The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me. Pulled over in MN for an air freshener. One of those stupid little pine trees.
I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis. I got my car washed in Iowa. They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws. I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.
Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around. He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me. Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up.
I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time. Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional. So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.
It was never about the air freshener. It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.
Is it true that black people are, as James says here, "literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes!"? No, it's not.
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you know, you're right. I just looked up what a standard issue taser looks like, and to my surprise, they are shockingly close to a gun (I didn't know they had a trigger or was shaped even remotely like a gun).mace1229 said:
You've never spent 5 minutes looking for your sunglasses or keys, only to see them in your hand? You couldn't feel them there? When this whole situation lasted about 5 seconds, I don't understand why so many think it is unbelievable, that this is a cover up. When you're adrenaline is pumping and youre in the mement, its believable this would happen in a span of 5 seconds. Like I said, have you never looked for glasses that were in your hand for a few minutes?gimmesometruth27 said:
when you hold a taser out in front of you and a gun out in front of you, when you aim down the sight, they both look different, right? the handles feel different in your hands, right? i mean, come on. that explanation is laughable.HughFreakingDillon said:
lol, yeah, that explanation isn't believable in the least (to me, anyway).gimmesometruth27 said:i don't know about you all, but when i eat soup i routinely accidently grab a fork instead of a spoon.
That doesn't excuse the officer, that doesn't make it ok. I'm not sure what the proper punishment would be, but there should be one. It just means this isn't a cover up, that she didnt plan to shoot some guy just because he was black and have a back story ready to go. It means sh emessed up and someone was killed as a result. What crime that equates to I don't know.
however, once the officer pulled it out, it should have been obvious that it wasn't her taser. if she was able to aim and fire, she would have been able to see the difference, even in that split second.
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cblock4life said:Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.0
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