“everybody shouldn’t be voting…. Quantity is important, but we have to look at the quality of votes"

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Ignoring who it was the said that (or Google the statement if you want to know) discuss your thoughts about this statement. 

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    brianlux said:
    Ignoring who it was the said that (or Google the statement if you want to know) discuss your thoughts about this statement. 

    I saw that quote.  It's completely anti-democratic, anti-American and idiotic to boot.  
  • Hobbes
    Hobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,438
    White supremacy. 

    Hoods, not hood.
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Seems like that is how a banana republic would be run...no thanks.


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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    mrussel1 said:

    anti-American
    Isn't Gerrymandering defacto a fixture of your political system?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

    anti-American
    Isn't Gerrymandering defacto a fixture of your political system?
    No it isn't defacto because the courts have the power to declare gerrymandered districts in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.  It happens quite often and happened a few years ago in my state, creating a complete re-drawing of districts. 
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Hobbes said:
    White supremacy. 

    Hoods, not hood.
    Ha!

    I do appreciate an informed voter, though I understand that’s not what the particular statement posted is about. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Ignoring who it was the said that (or Google the statement if you want to know) discuss your thoughts about this statement. 

    I saw that quote.  It's completely anti-democratic, anti-American and idiotic to boot.  

    What about the idea that it would be good if voters were more well informed and better educated in the process of government? 

    Don't get me wrong- I'm not supporting the Republican agenda.  No way.  Nor am I anti-democracy.  Good gawd, no!  But ignoring the source of that comment, I do like the idea of quality voting.  Of people being educated about for what and for whom they are voting.  I'd find that hard to argue against.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,216
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Ignoring who it was the said that (or Google the statement if you want to know) discuss your thoughts about this statement. 

    I saw that quote.  It's completely anti-democratic, anti-American and idiotic to boot.  

    What about the idea that it would be good if voters were more well informed and better educated in the process of government? 

    Don't get me wrong- I'm not supporting the Republican agenda.  No way.  Nor am I anti-democracy.  Good gawd, no!  But ignoring the source of that comment, I do like the idea of quality voting.  Of people being educated about for what and for whom they are voting.  I'd find that hard to argue against.
    We’re all for freedumb in ‘Murica Mr. Lux. None of that forced socialist, communist, Marxist education to be able to vote. Parents should educate their kids, not schools.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    edited March 2021
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Ignoring who it was the said that (or Google the statement if you want to know) discuss your thoughts about this statement. 

    I saw that quote.  It's completely anti-democratic, anti-American and idiotic to boot.  

    What about the idea that it would be good if voters were more well informed and better educated in the process of government? 

    Don't get me wrong- I'm not supporting the Republican agenda.  No way.  Nor am I anti-democracy.  Good gawd, no!  But ignoring the source of that comment, I do like the idea of quality voting.  Of people being educated about for what and for whom they are voting.  I'd find that hard to argue against.
    Well sure, more information is always better than less.  Who gets to decide a quality voter vs one that isn't?  This was the basis of Jim Crow laws post Reconstruction. 

    Edit - and the opening of the sentence gives it away.  "Everyone shouldn't be voting".  That's patently un-American.  If the lead sentence was "We need to better educate voters on issues", then maybe the concept wouldn't be so offensive to our republic.  
    Post edited by mrussel1 on
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    There are plenty of idiots voting, but it’s their right as well. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Ignoring who it was the said that (or Google the statement if you want to know) discuss your thoughts about this statement. 

    I saw that quote.  It's completely anti-democratic, anti-American and idiotic to boot.  

    What about the idea that it would be good if voters were more well informed and better educated in the process of government? 

    Don't get me wrong- I'm not supporting the Republican agenda.  No way.  Nor am I anti-democracy.  Good gawd, no!  But ignoring the source of that comment, I do like the idea of quality voting.  Of people being educated about for what and for whom they are voting.  I'd find that hard to argue against.
    We’re all for freedumb in ‘Murica Mr. Lux. None of that forced socialist, communist, Marxist education to be able to vote. Parents should educate their kids, not schools.
    Yes, America a dumb, my friend.  Free-smart is the way to be, but it's easier to have worker bees and keep people in line if the are kept stupid.
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Ignoring who it was the said that (or Google the statement if you want to know) discuss your thoughts about this statement. 

    I saw that quote.  It's completely anti-democratic, anti-American and idiotic to boot.  

    What about the idea that it would be good if voters were more well informed and better educated in the process of government? 

    Don't get me wrong- I'm not supporting the Republican agenda.  No way.  Nor am I anti-democracy.  Good gawd, no!  But ignoring the source of that comment, I do like the idea of quality voting.  Of people being educated about for what and for whom they are voting.  I'd find that hard to argue against.
    Well sure, more information is always better than less.  Who gets to decide a quality voter vs one that isn't?  This was the basis of Jim Crow laws post Reconstruction. 

    Edit - and the opening of the sentence gives it away.  "Everyone shouldn't be voting".  That's patently un-American.  If the lead sentence was "We need to better educate voters on issues", then maybe the concept wouldn't be so offensive to our republic.  
    Yes, I agree the full statement is faulty.  I quoted the whole thing so as not to cut and spice that way so much of what we hear is today.  If I had done a cut and spice plagiarism and said to you, "Hey, M, I think quantity in voting is important, but we have to  look  at quality of votes as well," would have have written off my comment as anti-democratic, anti-American and idiotic?
    cincybearcat said:
    There are plenty of idiots voting, but it’s their right as well. 

    It's more than a right to be an idiot in America.  It is a goal of much of what America is today to keep people stupid.  I really believe that is the way it is.
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • Hobbes
    Hobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,438
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,787
    I’m in favor of a more well informed voting public, I think any rational person probably is, but that isn’t the issue at the heart of this IMO. 

    No American has a right to judge the quality of another American’s vote though. 

    Shouldn’t that be the bottom line, here? 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,385
    This has to be about non citizen voting.  No other reason this would be said?
  • Hobbes
    Hobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,438
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This has to be about non citizen voting.  No other reason this would be said?
    Because the author of the statement couldn't possibly be a racist POS?
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,787
    edited March 2021
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This has to be about non citizen voting.  No other reason this would be said?
    No, this is not about non citizen voting. 
    Post edited by Merkin Baller on
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,216
    It’s about the “other” voting and is a dog whistle. The “other” doesn’t support white supremacy.
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  • mrussel1
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    This has to be about non citizen voting.  No other reason this would be said?
    No,  it's not.  That wouldn't make any sense since they cannot vote legally.  It was made by an AZ state GOP rep.
  • brianlux
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    edited March 2021
    Merkin Baller said:
    I’m in favor of a more well informed voting public, I think any rational person probably is, but that isn’t the issue at the heart of this IMO. 

    No American has a right to judge the quality of another American’s vote though. 

    Shouldn’t that be the bottom line, here? 

    I totally agree that no American has the right to judge another person's right to vote as they choose.  Of course, that includes allowing the right for many millions of Americans to vote for someone who is crude, misogynistic, anti-environment, anti-democracy and totally unqualified for the job of POTUS- which, as we all know did happen.  That result may be a good reason to focus on quality of vote vs quantity.  I'm not sure what the author of the OP quote means by a "quality vote", but to me, it means giving voters the opportunity to be well informed and better educated and, in fact, strongly encouraging that to be the case.  Just seeking quantity of votes seems, to me, to be putting the cart before the horse and makes little sense.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    brianlux said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    I’m in favor of a more well informed voting public, I think any rational person probably is, but that isn’t the issue at the heart of this IMO. 

    No American has a right to judge the quality of another American’s vote though. 

    Shouldn’t that be the bottom line, here? 

    I totally agree that no American has the right to judge another person's right to vote as they choose.  Of course, that includes allowing the right for many millions of Americans to vote for someone who is crude, misogynistic, anti-environment, anti-democracy and totally unqualified for the job of POTUS- which, as we all know did happen.  That result may be a good reason to focus on quality of vote vs quantity.  I'm not sure what the author of the OP quote means by a "quality vote", but to me, it means giving voters the opportunity to be well informed and better educated and, in fact, strongly encouraging that to be the case.  Just seeking quantity of votes seems, to me, to be putting the cart before the horse and makes little sense.
    Honest question: are you unfamiliar with the source and context of the quote? Or are you just trying to have a discussion based on the quote itself in a vacuum? 

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