Donald Trump

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

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ikiT said:

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Charlottesville will always have Trumpito's sweaty stench on it.  

No way.  That town is too wonderful to have him pollute it.  A Concert for Charlottesville purged the devil. 

Thomas Jefferson is the OG stain on Charlottesville.

There are lots of stains in this country.  That has nothing to do with the people and town of today. 

It's all interconnected.

Yup.

Systemic even, some might say....

Where precisely isn't stained under this bar?

Nowhere, but I think it's safe to assume that a town under the shadow of a plantation where young slaves were raped, sent south, or had their skulls crushed in inherits more trauma than towns where such plantations were not present.

Ok got it.  So there's some more moral relativism you've got kicking.  Good thing there was never any of that in Massachusetts or anywhere else.  Those fucking racist UVA students are nothing like slightly less assholes in the NE. They should repent immediately. 

Um, I am from the south and actually prefer it to Massachusetts. I've been to Siberia, and I fucking prefer that to Massachusetts!

But I currently live in an old New England sundown town that's rife with inherited trauma and structural racism that I've been working to root out since I landed here five years ago. 

But if it helps you feel superior to (mis)categorize a fellow human being as a moral relativist, who am I to stop you?

Superior? I'm not the one virtue signaling here.  The one great thing about this country is that we don't hold sons guilty for the sins of their fathers.  That's very different than historic Europe.  We move forward.  The stain on cville is no different than anywhere else here. 

mrussel1 said:

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mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

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dankind said:

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dankind said:

ikiT said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

ikiT said:

Charlottesville will always have Trumpito's sweaty stench on it.  

No way.  That town is too wonderful to have him pollute it.  A Concert for Charlottesville purged the devil. 

Thomas Jefferson is the OG stain on Charlottesville.

There are lots of stains in this country.  That has nothing to do with the people and town of today. 

It's all interconnected.

Yup.

Systemic even, some might say....

Where precisely isn't stained under this bar?

Nowhere, but I think it's safe to assume that a town under the shadow of a plantation where young slaves were raped, sent south, or had their skulls crushed in inherits more trauma than towns where such plantations were not present.

Ok got it.  So there's some more moral relativism you've got kicking.  Good thing there was never any of that in Massachusetts or anywhere else.  Those fucking racist UVA students are nothing like slightly less assholes in the NE. They should repent immediately. 

Um, I am from the south and actually prefer it to Massachusetts. I've been to Siberia, and I fucking prefer that to Massachusetts!

But I currently live in an old New England sundown town that's rife with inherited trauma and structural racism that I've been working to root out since I landed here five years ago. 

But if it helps you feel superior to (mis)categorize a fellow human being as a moral relativist, who am I to stop you?

Superior? I'm not the one virtue signaling here.  The one great thing about this country is that we don't hold sons guilty for the sins of their fathers.  That's very different than historic Europe.  We move forward.  The stain on cville is no different than anywhere else here. 

Virtue signaling, moral relativism? We all know systemic racism exists and people have inherent biases that are racist, and that the history of this country that is taught is a fairytale compared to the actual grim reality.  Many people still benefit from the sins of the fathers.  At what point does calling out virtue signaling and moral relativism intersect with dismissing reality?

Ok then, what are you proposing? White guilt parades? Of course this country's history is tainted with the blood of the many minority and indigenous peoples who European whites enslaved and slaughtered, but what does making it the prelude to every current function of society solve? Systemic racism is ever present and white privilege is something many of us were born into, but is not representative of the change and progress we're trying to establish.

Yes, there are many who still deny that white privilege exists just because they grew up "poor", but shaming them isn't going to change their mind. These people exist within my extended family, my employment and my neighborhood and while there are still a lot of them, I know there are fewer than there were 20 years ago. We are on the right track, albeit slow and painfully difficult.

I get it but we can’t get into the mind set of oh well the past is past. I am pretty sure mrussel isn’t discounting the problems at all.  I just think it is important to not be dismissive.  

As far as a white guilt parade lol no. That would be terrible because so many would be like well I was In The parade problem solved.  

For me until we really address this problem on a large transformative scale it is going to continue to be the prelude to all of our societies problems.  Of course once/if we ever deal with race we will have to tackle the rest of our problems and as we’ve kicked the can with this one down the road to some distant point in the future going on 200 something years now it isn’t really looking good.

I'm certainly not dismissing it, far from it.  But I also don't think every conversation has to center towards systemic racism, or in this case about a lovely evening in Charlottesville in 2013. All of America has the stain so no city is untouched.  But we can look to our present and future,  and not just the past.  

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