Driving While Stoned

Meltdown99 · February 2021

mace1229 said:

The Meltdown99 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Meltdown99 said:

You know you know what is really sad. I can only buy 30 grams a day at the Ontario Cannabis Store...but I can walk out of the liquor store with as much poison as I choose...and the idiots in Ontario wonder why a lot of us stay with the black market...and the government weed is the shits...

An ounce of weed, per day, is not enough?

Hope nobody is driving, at all, if they are smoking an ounce a day.

I think you are missing the point??? Just like you boozers who like to have your bar stocked. Us lovers of the herb like to have our bars stocked with different varieties. Remember alcohol is poison and cannabis is not...and really during covid why would I want to stop multiple times when 1 stop can do the trick. For me it’s a moot point. I am 💯 percent on the black market...my guy delivers in under 2 hours and never disappointed. Also I do not drive stoned...

Isn't marijuana poisoning a thing?

No.

dankind · February 2021

mace1229 · February 2021

When colorado first legalized it there was a spike in hospital cases from thc overdoses. People started smoking again who hadn’t in 20-30 years and didn’t realize this stuff is stronger than what they did in high school, or just didn’t monitor how much they were eating.
So what’s the difference between marijuana overdose and poisoning then? Seems like interchangeable terms to me. And seems like something that people can relatively easily overdose on would also be considered a poison. I say relatively easily just in case someone wants to point out you can techincally over dose on water or milk, but that is extremely difficult by comparison.

Zod · February 2021

Meltdown99 said:

Scientists Still Seek A Reliable DUI Test For Marijuana

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/07/30/523004450/scientists-still-seek-a-reliable-dui-test-for-marijuana

There probably are no easy answers...but I do think Ontario police do a good job and l would think if the cops smell cannabis but you easily pass a roadside test, that they’d let you continue on your way....

Let's just say it's entirely possible to pass a sobriety test after consuming weed. It's a test designed for being drunk. It doesn't work so well on stoned people (at least not people stoned on weed). I've seen the police have to let stoned people go and get back in there cars because they passed the test.

In regards to a scientific approach. I think this is challenging here in Canada as the amount of residual weed in someones system can be different depending on how much they consume regularly. The limits the Canadian government made seem a bit low, and aren't necessarily reflective of everyone. I could see some convictions winning in court because of it. A Chronic Weed user might have a way higher THC amount in their blood (when not stoned) than a casual consumer might have while completely baked. Plus it stays in your system for a month.

I'd be interested to see what happens with cases when they start hitting our court system. I'm surprised I haven't heard much already seeing as it's been legal for a while. Maybe cops aren't bothering to enforce those rules too much?

hedonist · February 2021

mace1229 said:

When colorado first legalized it there was a spike in hospital cases from thc overdoses. People started smoking again who hadn’t in 20-30 years and didn’t realize this stuff is stronger than what they did in high school, or just didn’t monitor how much they were eating.
So what’s the difference between marijuana overdose and poisoning then? Seems like interchangeable terms to me. And seems like something that people can relatively easily overdose on would also be considered a poison. I say relatively easily just in case someone wants to point out you can techincally over dose on water or milk, but that is extremely difficult by comparison.

Given that the high from smoking is almost immediate, I would be willing to bet that many of not most were impatient and overzealous in their consumption of edibles. Not quite the same, but a similar mindset to that of a kid with a shit ton of candy for Halloween.

Meltdown99 · February 2021

mace1229 said:

When colorado first legalized it there was a spike in hospital cases from thc overdoses. People started smoking again who hadn’t in 20-30 years and didn’t realize this stuff is stronger than what they did in high school, or just didn’t monitor how much they were eating.
So what’s the difference between marijuana overdose and poisoning then? Seems like interchangeable terms to me. And seems like something that people can relatively easily overdose on would also be considered a poison. I say relatively easily just in case someone wants to point out you can techincally over dose on water or milk, but that is extremely difficult by comparison.

LMFAO. They did not OD. Likely novice users took too much weed...

It’s not poison, it’s been growing on earth naturally and has been used for 1000’s of years. Your views are outdated, ignorant and very pathetic...

also keeping it illegal was a racist policy since blacks and 1st nation were the primary users when the it was banned.

hey but at least whitey allowed you your alcohol while they were tossing minorities in jail with unfair sentences for cannabis use...

Meltdown99 · February 2021

Zod said:

Meltdown99 said:

Scientists Still Seek A Reliable DUI Test For Marijuana

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/07/30/523004450/scientists-still-seek-a-reliable-dui-test-for-marijuana

There probably are no easy answers...but I do think Ontario police do a good job and l would think if the cops smell cannabis but you easily pass a roadside test, that they’d let you continue on your way....

Let's just say it's entirely possible to pass a sobriety test after consuming weed.   It's a test designed for being drunk.   It doesn't work so well on stoned people (at least not people stoned on weed). I've seen the police have to let stoned people go and get back in there cars because they passed the test.

In regards to a scientific approach. I think this is challenging here in Canada as the amount of residual weed in someones system can be different depending on how much they consume regularly.   The limits the Canadian government made seem a bit low, and aren't necessarily reflective of everyone.   I could see some convictions winning in court because of it.    A Chronic Weed user might have a way higher THC amount in their blood (when not stoned) than a casual consumer might have while completely baked. Plus it stays in your system for a month.

I'd be interested to see what happens with cases when they start hitting our court system.   I'm surprised I haven't heard much already seeing as it's been legal for a while. Maybe cops aren't bothering to enforce those rules too much?

Nothing I can do about them getting stoned drivers off the road.

I’m a heavy users who does not drive stoned. I am not worried in the least about being stopped.

Every body reacts differently. In time they’ll come up with a solution.

Do you really think their are more stoned drivers now that it’s legal than when it was illegal? Just because it’s legal does not mean their is an increased usage...I’ve been getting cheeched since high school.

Of course there is some unknowns. In time the powers to be will sort that out...

like I pointed out earlier I have not read about any real issues with cannabis and driving. And I’m sure if there was major problems we’d know by now..,.

30 years from now everyone will wonder wtf it was even illegal...

F Me In The Brain · February 2021

Meltdown99 said:

mace1229 said:

When colorado first legalized it there was a spike in hospital cases from thc overdoses. People started smoking again who hadn’t in 20-30 years and didn’t realize this stuff is stronger than what they did in high school, or just didn’t monitor how much they were eating.
So what’s the difference between marijuana overdose and poisoning then? Seems like interchangeable terms to me. And seems like something that people can relatively easily overdose on would also be considered a poison. I say relatively easily just in case someone wants to point out you can techincally over dose on water or milk, but that is extremely difficult by comparison.

LMFAO. They did not OD. Likely novice users took too much weed...

It’s not poison, it’s been growing on earth naturally and has been used for 1000’s of years. Your views are outdated, ignorant and very pathetic...

also keeping it illegal was a racist policy since blacks and 1st nation were the primary users when the it was banned.

hey but at least whitey allowed you your alcohol while they were tossing minorities in jail with unfair sentences for cannabis use...

There are poisonous things in nature.
Not saying weed is poison, just that the logic shared is flawed.

dankind · February 2021

F Me In The Brain said:

Meltdown99 said:

mace1229 said:

When colorado first legalized it there was a spike in hospital cases from thc overdoses. People started smoking again who hadn’t in 20-30 years and didn’t realize this stuff is stronger than what they did in high school, or just didn’t monitor how much they were eating.
So what’s the difference between marijuana overdose and poisoning then? Seems like interchangeable terms to me. And seems like something that people can relatively easily overdose on would also be considered a poison. I say relatively easily just in case someone wants to point out you can techincally over dose on water or milk, but that is extremely difficult by comparison.

LMFAO. They did not OD. Likely novice users took too much weed...

It’s not poison, it’s been growing on earth naturally and has been used for 1000’s of years. Your views are outdated, ignorant and very pathetic...

also keeping it illegal was a racist policy since blacks and 1st nation were the primary users when the it was banned.

hey but at least whitey allowed you your alcohol while they were tossing minorities in jail with unfair sentences for cannabis use...

There are poisonous things in nature.
Not saying weed is poison, just that the logic shared is flawed.

Edit: Including all the essential ingredients needed to make whatever choice in which you prefer to swill yer yeast excrement.

Also:

“I drank what!?!”
—Socrates

F Me In The Brain · February 2021

dankind said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Meltdown99 said:

mace1229 said:

When colorado first legalized it there was a spike in hospital cases from thc overdoses. People started smoking again who hadn’t in 20-30 years and didn’t realize this stuff is stronger than what they did in high school, or just didn’t monitor how much they were eating.
So what’s the difference between marijuana overdose and poisoning then? Seems like interchangeable terms to me. And seems like something that people can relatively easily overdose on would also be considered a poison. I say relatively easily just in case someone wants to point out you can techincally over dose on water or milk, but that is extremely difficult by comparison.

LMFAO. They did not OD. Likely novice users took too much weed...

It’s not poison, it’s been growing on earth naturally and has been used for 1000’s of years. Your views are outdated, ignorant and very pathetic...

also keeping it illegal was a racist policy since blacks and 1st nation were the primary users when the it was banned.

hey but at least whitey allowed you your alcohol while they were tossing minorities in jail with unfair sentences for cannabis use...

There are poisonous things in nature.
Not saying weed is poison, just that the logic shared is flawed.

Edit: Including all the essential ingredients needed to make whatever choice in which you prefer to swill yer yeast excrement.

Also:

“I drank what!?!”
—Socrates

Of course!

Meltdown99 · February 2021

F Me In The Brain said:

Meltdown99 said:

mace1229 said:

When colorado first legalized it there was a spike in hospital cases from thc overdoses. People started smoking again who hadn’t in 20-30 years and didn’t realize this stuff is stronger than what they did in high school, or just didn’t monitor how much they were eating.
So what’s the difference between marijuana overdose and poisoning then? Seems like interchangeable terms to me. And seems like something that people can relatively easily overdose on would also be considered a poison. I say relatively easily just in case someone wants to point out you can techincally over dose on water or milk, but that is extremely difficult by comparison.

LMFAO. They did not OD. Likely novice users took too much weed...

It’s not poison, it’s been growing on earth naturally and has been used for 1000’s of years. Your views are outdated, ignorant and very pathetic...

also keeping it illegal was a racist policy since blacks and 1st nation were the primary users when the it was banned.

hey but at least whitey allowed you your alcohol while they were tossing minorities in jail with unfair sentences for cannabis use...

There are poisonous things in nature.
Not saying weed is poison, just that the logic shared is flawed.

I know there is...but people would notice have consumed it for 1000s of year if it was poison...

mace1229 · February 2021

Meltdown99 said:

mace1229 said:

When colorado first legalized it there was a spike in hospital cases from thc overdoses. People started smoking again who hadn’t in 20-30 years and didn’t realize this stuff is stronger than what they did in high school, or just didn’t monitor how much they were eating.
So what’s the difference between marijuana overdose and poisoning then? Seems like interchangeable terms to me. And seems like something that people can relatively easily overdose on would also be considered a poison. I say relatively easily just in case someone wants to point out you can techincally over dose on water or milk, but that is extremely difficult by comparison.

LMFAO. They did not OD. Likely novice users took too much weed...

It’s not poison, it’s been growing on earth naturally and has been used for 1000’s of years. Your views are outdated, ignorant and very pathetic...

also keeping it illegal was a racist policy since blacks and 1st nation were the primary users when the it was banned.

hey but at least whitey allowed you your alcohol while they were tossing minorities in jail with unfair sentences for cannabis use...

Go eat a bunch of oleander leaves. They grow along the 5 and 99 freeway in California. It’s nature, so them being poisonous is a lie, you’ll be fine.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/marijuana-er-visits-spike-edibles-colorado-2019-3%3famp

I never said they died. An overdose happens you take too much of something and you get violently sick and need medical care. Many people got sick from too much pot and went to the ER. That’s funny to you? And ignorant and outdated to say too much weed is bad and can make you sock?

Maybe F-Me was right and a lot of those were just having a freak out. But that article, and many others I’ve read or heard
over the years, specifically state eating too many edibles. It was a frequent story the first year it was legal. But too say you can’t overdose on marijuana isn’t accurate. Calling someone ignorant and outdated for saying that is just that. Especially after they claim things from nature can’t be poisonous. Are you really not familiar with opium and many other drugs, and countless poisonous plants? Many that have been used for thousands of years.

mickeyrat · February 2021

notice right in the link it says edibles. which from what I've read, effects you differently

mace1229 · February 2021

mickeyrat said:

notice right in the link it says edibles. which from what I've read, effects you differently

Yes, I also pointed that out too. But that was my response to people laughing at the possibility of ODing on marijuana. Edibles or not, you can get very sick and require medical treatment when consuming too much. Also, not all cases were edibles. That meets the definition of ODing to me.
I didn’t criticize it. Never said it’s worse than alcohol. Just made a comment. And after being called outdated and ignorant for it, I’m defending it. Not sure why, the person who made the comment also said plants can’t be poisonous and harmful, so not really worth defending.

hedonist · February 2021

I’ll say one thing: Even if I were able to drive now, there’s no way would I do it high. I use daily and heavily, and times in the car with my husband - or even Uber - I’m happy not to worry about my reaction time or other effects.

Wouldn’t be fair to myself or to others.

I say this as an alcoholic who, shamefully in retrospect, drove short (read:rationalized) distances while somewhere between tipsy and drunk. I’d have deserved anything the law threw at me had I been pulled over.

mickeyrat · February 2021

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

notice right in the link it says edibles. which from what I've read, effects you differently

Yes, I also pointed that out too. But that was my response to people laughing at the possibility of ODing on marijuana. Edibles or not, you can get very sick and require medical treatment when consuming too much. Also, not all cases were edibles. That meets the definition of ODing to me.
I didn’t criticize it. Never said it’s worse than alcohol. Just made a comment. And after being called outdated and ignorant for it, I’m defending it. Not sure why, the person who made the comment also said plants can’t be poisonous and harmful, so not really worth defending.

I dont recall mention of edibles as a cause whem od was first mentioned

Meltdown99 · February 2021

One doctor vs. the DEA: Inside the battle to study marijuana in America

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-doctor-vs-dea-inside-battle-study-marijuana-america-n1195436

Until your archaic government moves out of people’s way it will be a long ways to prove cannabis is extremely beneficial...

id rather hang with a stoner than a drunk...at least the stoner won’t start a fight because someone gave him the google eyes....and stoners aren’t likely beating their kids and spouses because they had 1 to many joints.

Meltdown99 · February 2021

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

notice right in the link it says edibles. which from what I've read, effects you differently

Yes, I also pointed that out too. But that was my response to people laughing at the possibility of ODing on marijuana. Edibles or not, you can get very sick and require medical treatment when consuming too much. Also, not all cases were edibles. That meets the definition of ODing to me.
I didn’t criticize it. Never said it’s worse than alcohol. Just made a comment. And after being called outdated and ignorant for it, I’m defending it. Not sure why, the person who made the comment also said plants can’t be poisonous and harmful, so not really worth defending.

Are the streets of North America homeless lined with cannabis users or are they lined with opiate users? We all no the answers. Who created that the crisis...pharmaceutical company, the government and doctors...all legal.

How many millions have died from that shot.

yeah, I’m going to believe doctors about cannabis. With cannabis there is no pharmaceutical companies lining doctors pockets...

My own doctor freely admits his colleagues are a big part of the problem by over prescribing opiates. My doctor was one of the very 1st in my area to prescribe Cannabis, has very struct policy with opiates and offers people the cannabis option 1st. My doc is in his 70s but cares deeply for his patients...

F Me In The Brain · February 2021

This is not a thread to debate Booze vs Weed or Weed vs Opiates....or the non-driving behaviors of people who consume too much of a mind altering substance.

Feel free to start a thread glorifying the consumption of cannabis and crapping on any other activities. All for it.

HughFreakingDillon · February 2021

in my early 20's I drove high probably a few times a week. Not super out of my mind high (probably a few times, but more than likely I was the stupid passenger rather than the idiot driver), but my band would jam at a buddy's and always be stoned during that, and then eventually I'd have to drive home, about a 20 minute drive.

for me, in most instances, it wasn't the intoxication, really, it was more the post-stoned tiredness. like driving on 2 hours sleep every time. I'm one of those people that has never been able to smoke before near the end of the evening. I have a buddy who to this day still smokes at all hours, breakfast lunch and dinner and beyond. And he functions somehow. I can't. I need a nap.

much worse was my girlfriend and I were at a party....we were buzzed, but not super drunk. we went to leave the party (two doors down from my parents' house), and fell asleep in the running vehicle (outside). we woke up and I knew we couldn't go into my parents house that late, so we drove to her parents out of town. I wasn't drunk, I was tired AF. And I fell asleep at the wheel, in the winter, on the highway. I woke up as we near-missed a tree. the car had to be towed the next day, and thawed out (the engine was full of snow). We had to hitchhike in rural Manitoba at 3am in the middle of the prairie winter. no cell phones or anything.

that was an eye opener.

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