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Wobbie · January 2021

Halifax2TheMax said:

REJECTED!

if big sloppi gets in, I’m storming the Hall with some other patriots.

Poncier · January 2021

Wobbie said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

REJECTED!

if big sloppi gets in, I’m storming the Hall with some other patriots.

He's a shoo in.

F Me In The Brain · January 2021

Poncier said:

Wobbie said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

REJECTED!

if big sloppi gets in, I’m storming the Hall with some other patriots.

He's a shoo in.

From the writers? I'm not so sure.
I think he eventually gets in and all of the cheaters who were greats get in.

Hopefully not Schilling.

Wobbie · January 2021

piazza, bagwell and pudge didn’t have to wait.

Poncier · January 2021

Neither did Griffey Jr.

F Me In The Brain · January 2021

Wobbie said:

piazza, bagwell and pudge didn’t have to wait.

If this is about your guy Bonds, he was a jerk to reporters for the last x# of years in his career by most accounts.

F Me In The Brain · January 2021

Poncier said:

Neither did Griffey Jr.

No way, dude!

cutz · January 2021

Wobbie said:

piazza, bagwell and pudge didn’t have to wait.

Neither did the Greenies, Spitballers, Bat loaders, Adderall takers, etc. etc. etc. etc. white players who only played against whites and the Commissioner, Kenesaw Mountain Landis, from that era. Also, the Commissioner, Bud Selig, from the Steroid Era.

Wobbie · January 2021

F Me In The Brain said:

Wobbie said:

piazza, bagwell and pudge didn’t have to wait.

If this is about your guy Bonds, he was a jerk to reporters for the last x# of years in his career by most accounts.

of course it is! most feared hitter of the last 60 years.

griffey actually could have done roids too. blasphemy, I know, but not out of the question.

F Me In The Brain · January 2021

If Griffey doubled in size and suddenly could check swing 550 foot homers he would be all time leader.

(And have a much larger head)

Poncier · January 2021

Wobbie · January 2021

F Me In The Brain said:

If Griffey doubled in size and suddenly could check swing 550 foot homers he would be all time leader.
(And have a much larger head)

not all steroids guys doubled in size. griffey was the first person bonds told when he decided to get on the roid train. the mitchell report named 12 mariners. griffey broke down....

The Juggler · January 2021

Wobbie said:

F Me In The Brain said:

If Griffey doubled in size and suddenly could check swing 550 foot homers he would be all time leader.
(And have a much larger head)

not all steroids guys doubled in size. griffey was the first person bonds told when he decided to get on the roid train. the mitchell report named 12 mariners. griffey broke down....

Keep telling yourself that, tough guy...

F Me In The Brain · January 2021

Wobbie said:

F Me In The Brain said:

If Griffey doubled in size and suddenly could check swing 550 foot homers he would be all time leader.
(And have a much larger head)

not all steroids guys doubled in size. griffey was the first person bonds told when he decided to get on the roid train. the mitchell report named 12 mariners. griffey broke down....

Part of the benefit of steroids was quick healing. Griff had messed up stuff linger for a long time.

I don't have any proof that Griffey did not roid up but there were many stories about how he was pissed that he didn't, when Fathead went on to become the human wrecking ball with a bat. That was something a number of reporters around the Reds wrote about - one of those "in the open secrets". Nothing points to him having roided out, unless they make you fat, injured, and cranky.

The Juggler · January 2021

Griffey > Bonds

Poncier · January 2021

Griffey's career HR totals being a near perfect bell curve and having the type of injuries consistent with breaking down after PED use later in his career certainly could raise a flag.

F Me In The Brain · January 2021

Haters can hate but no legitimate links were ever made between Griffey and roid use.

Not talking Fathead, Big Sloppi, or Roger Cheatmens. These people were all easy marks with connections to cheating.

cutz · January 2021

I don't think no one knows for sure who did & who didn't use back then. Mostly a guessing game?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2016/10/02/rob-manfred-david-ortiz-drug-test-hall-of-fame/91442256/

Manfred questions David Ortiz's positive drug test, urges leniency by Hall voters

BOSTON - Commissioner Rob Manfred says it’s unfair for Red Sox slugger David Ortiz’s legacy to be tarnished by his positive drug test in Major League Baseball’s 2003 anonymous drug testing survey, since it’s unknown whether Ortiz actually used a performance-enhancing drug.

David Ortiz and Pedro Martinez commemorate the Red Sox's 2004 championship during ceremonies Sunday.

There were at least 10 false positives in the survey testing, Manfred said Sunday before Ortiz’s final regular-season game at Fenway Park, and it’s possible that Ortiz was one of the false tests.

Manfred confirmed that Ortiz also has never failed a drug test since MLB implemented its drug policy in 2004 and strengthened it numerous times in the decade-plus since.

“Even if your name was on that (anonymous) list,’’ Manfred said, “it’s entirely possible that you were not a positive.

“I don’t think anyone understands very well what that list was.’’

The provision in the agreement between MLB and the union was that if at least 5% of all players tested positive for steroids in what was supposed to be anonymous survey testing in 2003, Major League Baseball would have the right to implement a drug-testing policy in 2004. There were 104 positive tests. While there were at least 10 tests that were not scientifically cleared, Manfred said, since the number easily eclipsed 5%, there was no need to re-test the disputed results.

“There were double digits of names, more than 10, which we knew there were legitimate scientific questions about whether or not those truly were positives," Manfred said Sunday. "If there were test results like that today on a player, and we tried to discipline, there would be a big grievance over it. It would be fully aired, vetted, tried, resolved.

“We did not do that. Those issues and ambiguities were never resolved because they didn’t matter. We would have sorted that out if we ever thought those names would become public. At the time, we knew we had enough positives to trigger the testing the following year. It didn’t seem necessary to get to Ground Zero on a whole bunch of anonymous, ambiguous tests.’’

Manfred says that no knows, or will ever know, whether Ortiz was among the false-positives. Those test results have been destroyed; Ortiz has maintained that he's baffled how he tested positive.

“Back then, it was hard to distinguish between certain substances that were legal, available over the counter, and not banned under our program,’’ Manfred said, “and certain banned substances.

“We were not certain it was a banned substance as opposed to something that was available over the counter and legal. … Even if Rob Manfred’s name was on that list, he might have been one of those 10 or 15 where there was probably, or possibly, a very legitimate explanation that did not involve the use of a banned substance. I think it’s really unfortunate that anybody’s name was ever released publicly."

Since it will ever remain unknown whether Ortiz’s positive test was actually authentic Manfred says, it would be unfair for the Hall of Fame voters to use the result against Ortiz’s candidacy.

“Whatever judgement writers decide to make with respect to players who have tested positive or otherwise been adjudicated under our program,’’ Manfred said, “that’s up to them. That’s a policy decision. They have to look into their conscience and decide how they evaluate that against the Hall of Fame criteria.

“What I do feel is unfair that in situations where it is leaks, rumors, innuendo, not confirmed positive-tests results, that is unfair to the players. I think that would be wrong.’’

F Me In The Brain · January 2021

For Big Papi it has as much to do with that and all of the rumors as it does with him going from average player as a 25-28 year old to being an incredible hitter from then until he was 41.

Wobbie · January 2021

Hmmm....I don’t see manfred urging leniency for bonds.

my whole thing is nobody knows for SURE about 99% of the players in the steroid era. I’m pretty sure piazza, pudge and bagwell all used...but they get a pass because they didn’t antagonize reporters. I have suspicions about rickey henderson, as well. Bonds had two newspaper reporters, full time for two years, and the federal government after him. I’ve read the feds spent $75M. no one else faced that kind of scrutiny, if they faced any at all.

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