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No difference. None at all. Both sides are the same. Particularly in how they're treated by law enforcement. Same-same.
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Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe you could explain what the rioters of yesterday were grieving? What or how were they wronged? What system or part of the system failed them? What consequences have there been for those who murdered in the name of the State? What consequences have there been for those who have practiced extrajudicial killings? Where or how did justice roll out? And yesterday? What wrong needed to be righted? What civil course of action was available to those wronged? And?mace1229 said:I agree yesterday was disgusting and disgraceful. I agree Trump was in part to blame for not stepping up to the plate and also his actions since the elections. I agree those involved should be arrested and face charges. Really the only single thing that has been said here that I disagree with was that it would have been a blood bath if they weren't white.
I also agree that there have been cases of police brutality. But none of my comments were about that. I made that clear, I was not comparing last night to what happened to Floyd. I never did compare those 2 or deny what happen to Floyd was wrong.
The only thing I disagreed with was the outcome if they were black.
This summer several police precincts were burned down or taken over with orders to retreat and not confront the attackers. Molotov cocktails and bricks were routinely thrown at police. City blocks were taken over. Random bystanders and store owners were beaten with sticks, rocks, fists or run over by cars and police were told to stand down. Looting happened in daylight with stores being raided and emptied and police were told to stand down. Hundreds of privately owned buildings were burned to the ground and police were told to stand down. Many elected officials made public they would drop charges for anyone arrested while others publicly stood behind the riots. CNN stood in front of a city block on fire with overturned police vehicles and told us it was peaceful.
I'm sure 14,000 were arrested over the summer. But you can't compared 3 months of rioting in nearly every state across the nation and compare that the a single incident that occurred in a single building and ask why only 50 were arrested last night. If they arrested 50 people every incident over the summer the total would be a lot higher than 14,000.
So I have no reason to believe race played a role in that only 1 person was killed last night. The majority of responses are just meaningless snips of "you're delusional" and the like. Only 1 real answer, and that was this was a federal building. I accept that as a real argument, but still disagree. If crowds are allowed to burn police precincts and take them over for weeks, I don't see a big difference here.
What I do see is a reluctance to still call out the violence of this summer. Which I believe played a major role in yesterday. It was bound to escalate and retaliate. The only difference is who these people voted for and now the rest are finally angry about it. But this has been going on for months, it was just ignored.
I have no problem calling out those who acted yesterday, they were a stain on our society. So were those who burned down city blocks and use the death of someone they didn't know to steal themselves a new TV and beat innocent people into a coma, or worse.
I think I've said my peace here on this topic.
You still think the outcome would have been the same if black/brown insurrectionists were there yesterday? Really, no difference? Wow, just wow.
Its approaching 30 years since Rodney King was beaten while tazed and lying on the ground. Nothing has changed.
Well, the number of "Rodney Kings" certainly has increased....but, White America is only more angry at all of the things going wrong for the White Proud Amerikkkan.
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President-elect Joe Biden said that yesterday, after the chaos started, at the Capitol his granddaughter texted him a photo of police in full military gear lining the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during a Black Lives Matter protest.
"No one can tell me that if it had been a group of Black Lives Matter protesting yesterday there wouldn't — they wouldn't have been treated very, very differently than the mob of thugs that stormed the Capitol," he said.
He continued: "We all know that is true, and it is unacceptable. Totally unacceptable."
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HughFreakingDillon said:
President-elect Joe Biden said that yesterday, after the chaos started, at the Capitol his granddaughter texted him a photo of police in full military gear lining the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during a Black Lives Matter protest.
"No one can tell me that if it had been a group of Black Lives Matter protesting yesterday there wouldn't — they wouldn't have been treated very, very differently than the mob of thugs that stormed the Capitol," he said.
He continued: "We all know that is true, and it is unacceptable. Totally unacceptable."
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I agree, Trump called them and is to blame. Without him and his statements it probably would not have happened. But you can't say the climate of the last 7 or 8 months didn't play a role in emboldening those involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
sorry dude. terrible take.mace1229 said:I agree yesterday was disgusting and disgraceful. I agree Trump was in part to blame for not stepping up to the plate and also his actions since the elections. I agree those involved should be arrested and face charges. Really the only single thing that has been said here that I disagree with was that it would have been a blood bath if they weren't white.
I also agree that there have been cases of police brutality. But none of my comments were about that. I made that clear, I was not comparing last night to what happened to Floyd. I never did compare those 2 or deny what happen to Floyd was wrong.
The only thing I disagreed with was the outcome if they were black.
This summer several police precincts were burned down or taken over with orders to retreat and not confront the attackers. Molotov cocktails and bricks were routinely thrown at police. City blocks were taken over. Random bystanders and store owners were beaten with sticks, rocks, fists or run over by cars and police were told to stand down. Looting happened in daylight with stores being raided and emptied and police were told to stand down. Hundreds of privately owned buildings were burned to the ground and police were told to stand down. Many elected officials made public they would drop charges for anyone arrested while others publicly stood behind the riots. CNN stood in front of a city block on fire with overturned police vehicles and told us it was peaceful.
I'm sure 14,000 were arrested over the summer. But you can't compared 3 months of rioting in nearly every state across the nation and compare that the a single incident that occurred in a single building and ask why only 50 were arrested last night. If they arrested 50 people every incident over the summer the total would be a lot higher than 14,000.
So I have no reason to believe race played a role in that only 1 person was killed last night. The majority of responses are just meaningless snips of "you're delusional" and the like. Only 1 real answer, and that was this was a federal building. I accept that as a real argument, but still disagree. If crowds are allowed to burn police precincts and take them over for weeks, I don't see a big difference here.
What I do see is a reluctance to still call out the violence of this summer. Which I believe played a major role in yesterday. It was bound to escalate and retaliate. The only difference is who these people voted for and now the rest are finally angry about it. But this has been going on for months, it was just ignored.
I have no problem calling out those who acted yesterday, they were a stain on our society. So were those who burned down city blocks and use the death of someone they didn't know to steal themselves a new TV and beat innocent people into a coma, or worse.
I think I've said my peace here on this topic.
the insurrection had nothing to do with the summer riots. the violence yesterday was incited by the president and his cronies. he told them to come there. he told them to be strong. he told them not to give up. he knew what he was doing. it was a call to arms. you'd have to be borderline brain dead to not have been able to predict that happening after his rally.
without trump's rally, there would have been no one there. or at least not enough to overcome the DC police.
no one ignored the violence in the summer. many of us routinely denounced violence that wasn't an act of self defence.
it is a statistical fact that a black man dealing with law enforcement is SIX TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE THAN A WHITE MAN.
Many here denounced the violence, yes. But those in charge allowed it. How long did seattle wait to get things under control? And how many other cities let things go to crap first and gave stand down orders to police and let people just burn things? That's what I meant when I said it went ignored.
Your last statement may be true, but that doesn't apply to the riots, that is individual cases like Floyd, etc. I wasn't discussing any individual cases. Just responding to comparing of what happened yesterday to what's been going on for months.
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doesn't apply to riots? so cops all of a sudden start treating people equally when it's more than one person? LOLmace1229 said:
I agree, Trump called them and is to blame. Without him and his statements it probably would not have happened. But you can't say the climate of the last 7 or 8 months didn't play a role in emboldening those involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
sorry dude. terrible take.mace1229 said:I agree yesterday was disgusting and disgraceful. I agree Trump was in part to blame for not stepping up to the plate and also his actions since the elections. I agree those involved should be arrested and face charges. Really the only single thing that has been said here that I disagree with was that it would have been a blood bath if they weren't white.
I also agree that there have been cases of police brutality. But none of my comments were about that. I made that clear, I was not comparing last night to what happened to Floyd. I never did compare those 2 or deny what happen to Floyd was wrong.
The only thing I disagreed with was the outcome if they were black.
This summer several police precincts were burned down or taken over with orders to retreat and not confront the attackers. Molotov cocktails and bricks were routinely thrown at police. City blocks were taken over. Random bystanders and store owners were beaten with sticks, rocks, fists or run over by cars and police were told to stand down. Looting happened in daylight with stores being raided and emptied and police were told to stand down. Hundreds of privately owned buildings were burned to the ground and police were told to stand down. Many elected officials made public they would drop charges for anyone arrested while others publicly stood behind the riots. CNN stood in front of a city block on fire with overturned police vehicles and told us it was peaceful.
I'm sure 14,000 were arrested over the summer. But you can't compared 3 months of rioting in nearly every state across the nation and compare that the a single incident that occurred in a single building and ask why only 50 were arrested last night. If they arrested 50 people every incident over the summer the total would be a lot higher than 14,000.
So I have no reason to believe race played a role in that only 1 person was killed last night. The majority of responses are just meaningless snips of "you're delusional" and the like. Only 1 real answer, and that was this was a federal building. I accept that as a real argument, but still disagree. If crowds are allowed to burn police precincts and take them over for weeks, I don't see a big difference here.
What I do see is a reluctance to still call out the violence of this summer. Which I believe played a major role in yesterday. It was bound to escalate and retaliate. The only difference is who these people voted for and now the rest are finally angry about it. But this has been going on for months, it was just ignored.
I have no problem calling out those who acted yesterday, they were a stain on our society. So were those who burned down city blocks and use the death of someone they didn't know to steal themselves a new TV and beat innocent people into a coma, or worse.
I think I've said my peace here on this topic.
the insurrection had nothing to do with the summer riots. the violence yesterday was incited by the president and his cronies. he told them to come there. he told them to be strong. he told them not to give up. he knew what he was doing. it was a call to arms. you'd have to be borderline brain dead to not have been able to predict that happening after his rally.
without trump's rally, there would have been no one there. or at least not enough to overcome the DC police.
no one ignored the violence in the summer. many of us routinely denounced violence that wasn't an act of self defence.
it is a statistical fact that a black man dealing with law enforcement is SIX TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE THAN A WHITE MAN.
Many here denounced the violence, yes. But those in charge allowed it. How long did seattle wait to get things under control? And how many other cities let things go to crap first and gave stand down orders to police and let people just burn things? That's what I meant when I said it went ignored.
Your last statement may be true, but that doesn't apply to the riots, that is individual cases like Floyd, etc. I wasn't discussing any individual cases. Just responding to comparing of what happened yesterday to what's been going on for months.
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Merkin Baller said:HughFreakingDillon said:
President-elect Joe Biden said that yesterday, after the chaos started, at the Capitol his granddaughter texted him a photo of police in full military gear lining the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during a Black Lives Matter protest.
"No one can tell me that if it had been a group of Black Lives Matter protesting yesterday there wouldn't — they wouldn't have been treated very, very differently than the mob of thugs that stormed the Capitol," he said.
He continued: "We all know that is true, and it is unacceptable. Totally unacceptable."
Well... at least MOST of us know.
If only!
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Yesterday was about protesting non-existent voter fraud.
BLM is about protesting the real life killings of unarmed black Americans by L.E.O.s.
If you're blaming the latter for the former... yikes.
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mace1229 said:I agree yesterday was disgusting and disgraceful. I agree Trump was in part to blame for not stepping up to the plate and also his actions since the elections. I agree those involved should be arrested and face charges. Really the only single thing that has been said here that I disagree with was that it would have been a blood bath if they weren't white.
I also agree that there have been cases of police brutality. But none of my comments were about that. I made that clear, I was not comparing last night to what happened to Floyd. I never did compare those 2 or deny what happen to Floyd was wrong.
The only thing I disagreed with was the outcome if they were black.
This summer several police precincts were burned down or taken over with orders to retreat and not confront the attackers. Molotov cocktails and bricks were routinely thrown at police. City blocks were taken over. Random bystanders and store owners were beaten with sticks, rocks, fists or run over by cars and police were told to stand down. Looting happened in daylight with stores being raided and emptied and police were told to stand down. Hundreds of privately owned buildings were burned to the ground and police were told to stand down. Many elected officials made public they would drop charges for anyone arrested while others publicly stood behind the riots. CNN stood in front of a city block on fire with overturned police vehicles and told us it was peaceful.
I'm sure 14,000 were arrested over the summer. But you can't compared 3 months of rioting in nearly every state across the nation and compare that the a single incident that occurred in a single building and ask why only 50 were arrested last night. If they arrested 50 people every incident over the summer the total would be a lot higher than 14,000.
So I have no reason to believe race played a role in that only 1 person was killed last night. The majority of responses are just meaningless snips of "you're delusional" and the like. Only 1 real answer, and that was this was a federal building. I accept that as a real argument, but still disagree. If crowds are allowed to burn police precincts and take them over for weeks, I don't see a big difference here.
What I do see is a reluctance to still call out the violence of this summer. Which I believe played a major role in yesterday. It was bound to escalate and retaliate. The only difference is who these people voted for and now the rest are finally angry about it. But this has been going on for months, it was just ignored.
I have no problem calling out those who acted yesterday, they were a stain on our society. So were those who burned down city blocks and use the death of someone they didn't know to steal themselves a new TV and beat innocent people into a coma, or worse.
I think I've said my peace here on this topic.Hidden in Plain Sight: Racism, White Supremacy, and Far-Right Militancy in Law Enforcement
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/hidden-plain-sight-racism-white-supremacy-and-far-right-militancy-law
To suggest that white supremacists are "retaliating" against some grievance they have with black people for protesting is just JAW DROPPING. Hundreds of years of slavery. Another hundred years or so of terrorism committed in their neighborhoods against their families. We should feel blessed that we've gotten off with a few burnt down police stations and some stolen TVs.0 -
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Last time I checked BLM protesters didn’t kill cops, some patriots these MAGA idiots are!jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Some BLM protests have called for cops to be killed (although it isn’t the movement’s platform), and there was the guy who didn’t claim affiliation w/ them, but killed several cops at the Dallas protest in 2016.josevolution said:Last time I checked BLM protesters didn’t kill cops, some patriots these MAGA idiots are!Those incidents can’t be ignored.0 -
Like we've ignored the infiltration of white supremacists in our police force? Please.Merkin Baller said:
Some BLM protests have called for cops to be killed (although it isn’t the movement’s platform), and there was the guy who didn’t claim affiliation w/ them, but killed several cops at the Dallas protest in 2016.josevolution said:Last time I checked BLM protesters didn’t kill cops, some patriots these MAGA idiots are!Those incidents can’t be ignored.0 -
I'm well aware white supremacy is the biggest threat facing our nation right now, and I'm furious about what's going on, but I'm not going to pretend those things didn't happen; not acknowledging them is disingenuous and feels counter productive.what dreams said:
Like we've ignored the infiltration of white supremacists in our police force? Please.Merkin Baller said:
Some BLM protests have called for cops to be killed (although it isn’t the movement’s platform), and there was the guy who didn’t claim affiliation w/ them, but killed several cops at the Dallas protest in 2016.josevolution said:Last time I checked BLM protesters didn’t kill cops, some patriots these MAGA idiots are!Those incidents can’t be ignored.0 -
I'm beginning to wonder if this was a coup? Maybe we all got our emotions played with on this?
Divide us up even more? Black helicopter talk? Tin Foil hat?0 -
The lack of preparation in advance, Trump's inaction in the heat of the moment, the DOD's 90 minute delay in allowing MD to send backup*, the Capitol Police taking selfies w/ the insurrectionists after clashing... there's a lot of questions that need answering here.tempo_n_groove said:I'm beginning to wonder if this was a coup? Maybe we all got our emotions played with on this?
Divide us up even more? Black helicopter talk? Tin Foil hat?
There were guys who stormed the building w/ zip ties & more, they were looking to take hostages. This was not a peaceful protest that went bad.
* If you haven't watched Larry Hogan's press conference from yesterday, I recommend you do.0 -
So here is something else I am noticing. there were THOUSANDS of people there marching. We are, and rightfully so, focusing on the chaos that ensued in the Capitol.Merkin Baller said:
The lack of preparation in advance, Trump's inaction in the heat of the moment, the DOD's 90 minute delay in allowing MD to send backup*, the Capitol Police taking selfies w/ the insurrectionists after clashing... there's a lot of questions that need answering here.tempo_n_groove said:I'm beginning to wonder if this was a coup? Maybe we all got our emotions played with on this?
Divide us up even more? Black helicopter talk? Tin Foil hat?
There were guys who stormed the building w/ zip ties & more, they were looking to take hostages. This was not a peaceful protest that went bad.
* If you haven't watched Larry Hogan's press conference from yesterday, I recommend you do.
Isn't this what the media focused on during the BLM rallies? Only the chaos?
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Yeah BLM movement was armed to the teeth too? Long rifles , zip ties, retc etc given free access to the whole capitol building! Pentagon refusing to send in the reserves yeah no way this was a coup.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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tempo_n_groove said:
So here is something else I am noticing. there were THOUSANDS of people there marching. We are, and rightfully so, focusing on the chaos that ensued in the Capitol.Merkin Baller said:
The lack of preparation in advance, Trump's inaction in the heat of the moment, the DOD's 90 minute delay in allowing MD to send backup*, the Capitol Police taking selfies w/ the insurrectionists after clashing... there's a lot of questions that need answering here.tempo_n_groove said:I'm beginning to wonder if this was a coup? Maybe we all got our emotions played with on this?
Divide us up even more? Black helicopter talk? Tin Foil hat?
There were guys who stormed the building w/ zip ties & more, they were looking to take hostages. This was not a peaceful protest that went bad.
* If you haven't watched Larry Hogan's press conference from yesterday, I recommend you do.
Isn't this what the media focused on during the BLM rallies? Only the chaos?
That is why I say we are being played.
Are you suggesting this was a false flag?
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No no. The media is definitely not showing how the other 95% behaved.Merkin Baller said:tempo_n_groove said:
So here is something else I am noticing. there were THOUSANDS of people there marching. We are, and rightfully so, focusing on the chaos that ensued in the Capitol.Merkin Baller said:
The lack of preparation in advance, Trump's inaction in the heat of the moment, the DOD's 90 minute delay in allowing MD to send backup*, the Capitol Police taking selfies w/ the insurrectionists after clashing... there's a lot of questions that need answering here.tempo_n_groove said:I'm beginning to wonder if this was a coup? Maybe we all got our emotions played with on this?
Divide us up even more? Black helicopter talk? Tin Foil hat?
There were guys who stormed the building w/ zip ties & more, they were looking to take hostages. This was not a peaceful protest that went bad.
* If you haven't watched Larry Hogan's press conference from yesterday, I recommend you do.
Isn't this what the media focused on during the BLM rallies? Only the chaos?
That is why I say we are being played.
Are you suggesting this was a false flag?
If so, that's a bridge too far for me.0
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