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Bidenbrianlux said:By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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BidenHughFreakingDillon said:the primary system is also ridiculous. our parties pick their own leaders in house based on who they think the people will vote for. none of this 13 people parading around the country and voting for the person you eventually hope to vote for. it's so weird.Without the primary system we never would have seen Slick Willie nor Barack Obama become POTUS. Letting the rotting sewer systems pick their own candidates would only work better if we had about 20 parties to choose from.Not saying the primary system isn't messy (I cannot stand how the media stands up who they think the leaders will be before a single primary is held...and it is way too long...and some states don't even have a say based on the way it is laid out) but I do not think the system you describe is any more desirable. Trump is a symbol of what is wrong with people more than what is wrong with system. He would have been laughed off the primary podium without such a huge percentage of this country being total fucking morons.The love he receives is the love that is saved0
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BidenHughFreakingDillon said:the primary system is also ridiculous. our parties pick their own leaders in house based on who they think the people will vote for. none of this 13 people parading around the country and voting for the person you eventually hope to vote for. it's so weird.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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BidenF Me In The Brain said:Without the primary system we never would have seen Slick Willie nor Barack Obama become POTUS. Letting the rotting sewer systems pick their own candidates would only work better if we had about 20 parties to choose from.Not saying the primary system isn't messy (I cannot stand how the media stands up who they think the leaders will be before a single primary is held...and it is way too long...and some states don't even have a say based on the way it is laid out) but I do not think the system you describe is any more desirable. Trump is a symbol of what is wrong with people more than what is wrong with system. He would have been laughed off the primary podium without such a huge percentage of this country being total fucking morons.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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brianlux said:0
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BidenPJNB said:One thing I would like to add that you guys get right you vote for your president and senators individually. I have to vote for a member of parliament that is the same party as the prime minister that I want. I despise my conservative MP in my riding and much prefer the liberal MP who was currently elected. If I want a conservative prime minster I have to vote for the PC MP I do not want.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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BidenHughFreakingDillon said:how is never having trump as president less desirable? and why would bill or barry never be potus without the primary system?Neither of those fellows were high on anyone's radar as POTUS favorites as the primaries began.Don't recall who it might have been in 92....Tsongas? Brown? Would not have been Clinton. Most didn't even know who the dude was before Gennifer Flowers came out.In 08 it would have been Hillary. No doubt. (Unless Bill had never been President and it had been Tsongas.
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We cannot change the entire system to block Trump. You read past my point about it being the idiots much more than the system. We have hundreds of years in place without Donald Trump. The country is fucked up and we do some bad shit to anyone who isn't white and we do bad shit to other countries and we don't support anyone well who doesn't have a lot of money....but the problem isn't primaries. The problem is people. Largely, white people.The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
BidenRank Choice Voting - let as many parties, candidates run as they'd like. Then the individual with the best policy proposals and ideas will win. I stick that this is the opposite of sports where the name on the front of the jersey (political party) matters more than the name on the back (candidate). Less institutional power is needed in politics. RCV gets rid of the need of primaries. Between only one election and taking away the power of parties all of a sudden you have shorter election cycles so that public servants can, ya know, serve the public. Then you reform finances of both campaigns and coporations, so that corporations aren't treated like individuals humans and reduce the power of PACs.0
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Bidenmcgruff10 said:I'm not understanding why it is weird that people vote in a primary to pick who they want to run for their respective party. I agree that there is some primary fatigue after a while but I don't see how else to do it.0
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BidenJearlpam0925 said:Rank Choice Voting - let as many parties, candidates run as they'd like. Then the individual with the best policy proposals and ideas will win. I stick that this is the opposite of sports where the name on the front of the jersey (political party) matters more than the name on the back (candidate). Less institutional power is needed in politics. RCV gets rid of the need of primaries. Between only one election and taking away the power of parties all of a sudden you have shorter election cycles so that public servants can, ya know, serve the public. Then you reform finances of both campaigns and coporations, so that corporations aren't treated like individuals humans and reduce the power of PACs.
This makes sense, not knowing much more about it than you shared.
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BidenRank choice voting requires the elimination of the electoral college, unless you want every election decided in the house. It's a pipe dream0
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Bidenmrussel1 said:Rank choice voting requires the elimination of the electoral college, unless you want every election decided in the house. It's a pipe dreamI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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Bidenmrussel1 said:This is much closer to democracy than how UK or Canada chooses its PM.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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Bidenmrussel1 said:Rank choice voting requires the elimination of the electoral college, unless you want every election decided in the house. It's a pipe dream0
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Bidenmcgruff10 said:I m not understanding rank choice voting. Like who votes? How do you know who’s policy is better?
RCV you can vote for as many or as little candidates as you'd like to vote for, and you rank them - #1 most preferred #Z least preferred.Post edited by Jearlpam0925 on0 -
BidenJearlpam0925 said:What do you mean who votes? You vote.Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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BidenAnd now that I think about it - EC votes could still be doled via RCV.
Also to explain further - candidates then are tallied by their amount of votes. If any one candidate garners a majority of #1 votes they're automatically the winner. Otherwise, you keep lopping off the least preferred until you get a majority. Better explained here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHRPMJmzBBw
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BidenJearlpam0925 said:I'm not talking about just the Presidential here. You can get there if you start bottom-up. States need to change the way they vote.0
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Bidenmrussel1 said:I see. Yes, it can be used in local elections (Maine?), but I'm cynical on the presidential side
I don't see the downside in rewarding the candidate with the broadest appeal instead of the one that fans flames.0
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